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No training today. Pulled my right trap a bit yesterday so I’ll just be working some overtime then picking up my girls at the airport, which brings me to a decent topic.

Locker Room

Topic: The 2/3 Rule

What is it?
Its not a hard number - it doesn’t have to be exact - but for every 3 times your woman says “I love you”, “I miss you”, etc., you’ll only say it twice.

In other words, you’re letting her work for your attention.

A great example of this can be found in Star Wars

Princess Leia: “I love you”
Han Solo: “I know”

Y’all realize how unremarkable this scene would have been if Han had said “I love you” back, right?

A woman doesn’t want to be equals to the man she’s in love with. She doesn’t want to be the center of his world or his purpose, but she does want to be a significant part of his life.

Men want to be treated great by an okay woman.
Women want to be treated okay by a great man.

“If you treat a girl like a movie star, she’ll treat you like a fan”

This is a function of hypergamy, which is the general trend where women will mate with men who are at their level or better, but not beneath their level. And the bigger the perceived difference in their levels, the better she will treat him.

It’s a mating function that is 100% required for the betterment of our species. We’d still be monkeys if it weren’t for this.

So why am I talking about this?
My wife and daughter have been out of town for the last 2 weeks or so.

I never used to apply this 2/3 rule. If anything, i did the opposite thinking it would help save my marriage. Being her fan didn’t work; I’m pretty sure she started resenting me for it as i was artificially inflating her level to be above mine - which hypergamy doesn’t jive with.
She treated me like a fan.

The last year or two, though, I’ve been using the 2/3 rule.
My wife has missed me so much this whole time that she’s been in tears, and she’s been giving me the movie star treatment the whole time she’s been gone.
She says good morning first. Tells me she misses me at least twice a day. Unsolicited nudes. The whole 9 yards.

For comparisson, about 3 years ago (before i knew of this rule) my wife spent about a month out of town helping her mom. She hardly even missed me.
This time it was 2 weeks helping her mom, and all she wanted was to come back home to me.

The beauty of this arrangement is that we both get more of what we want in this dynamic.
I get the treatment i want and she gets to give me that treatment. It works.

Anyone have similar experiences?

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Leg Day (Modified)
Tuesday, Oct 22, 2024 at 2:21pm

Leg Press (Machine)
“Widowmaker”
Set 1: 585 lbs x 21 [Failure]

Single Leg Romanian Deadlift (Barbell)
“Trap Bar, Rehab
3010”
Set 1: 45 lbs x 10
Set 2: 95 lbs x 10

Seated Leg Curl (Machine)
“Rehab, 3010”
Set 1: 70 lbs x 25

Leg Extension (Machine)
Set 1: 220 lbs x 15
Set 2: 125 lbs x 18 [Failure]
Set 3: 125 lbs x 8 [Failure]
Set 4: 125 lbs x 5 [Failure]

Hip Abduction (Machine)

Hip Adduction (Machine)

@hevyapp

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Dear Diary…

Today i started to think that i fucking wasted 4 years chasing a degree I can’t get hired for.

Edit: I’m reading that the longer it takes to land a tech job after graduation, the less likely getting hired becomes… meaning I’ll likely need an internship, and to pick up classes to get my foot in the door for the internship.
Still thinking about it, but it’s starting to look like I’ll have to pursue a Master’s of Science.
Ouch

And I also learned that my shitbag in-laws have let damages fester in my other house. A house i left to them in a condition that was ready to sell.
So I’ll be evicting my brother in law, then fixing up a house i let him rent (at a loss).

Fuck 2nd chances.

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I’m curious, does your wife know that this is something you’ve actively engaged in? I am assuming not, because presumably it wouldn’t have the impact if you did.

(Not a criticism, just genuine curiosity).

I’ve been away for a long weekend this weekend and I would say I contacted my wife equally, said I love you equally (and do as a standard), and came home to a still very doting wife, and not a metric I’d use in isolation for the health of a relationship, but sex twice within about 4 hours. As I’m typing I’m forming thoughts, and I wonder if your 2/3 rule might be too blanket for the nuances of human relationships?

I’ll say again, not a criticism - I won’t say it any more than that, hopefully you take all my interactions as someone who’s interested in genuine discussion and probably holds views that are different but not necessarily aligned to modern society either, I’m not here for internet arguments.

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Single mothers produce failed children

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“Fight-Club Kinda Is Nearterm Goal?”
(F-CKING)…

Nah… trying too hard…

Some of these rules are more like guidelines. They apply to some people and not others.

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No one wants to know how the sausage is made :slightly_smiling_face:

Speaking strictly in generalities (meaning there are always exceptions)? The 2/3 rule is best applied by all men in their interactions with women.

I am a very firm believer in hypergamy.
If both man and woman put equal efforts and sacrifices into everything, i think the man is robbing the woman of the opportunity to see him as better than her.

Which goes back to my point of

You cannot be “great” to her if she perceives you to be at her level. Corollary: if you are above her level but act as if you were at her level - she will perceive you to be at her level.

This absolutely doesn’t mean “treat your girl like shit”, it just means that you let her put effort into keeping you. And i believe the more effort it takes to keep you, the more she appreciates you being there.

*none of this is argumentative, i view this as a discussion amongst brothers seeking an understanding.

Question: if men have to earn sex from women, what do women have to earn from men?

Commitment

Modern society has us all fucked up. Men have to earn sex, and men have to earn her commitment.
What’s left for women to have to earn, exactly? :thinking:

If society operated normally, men would earn sex, women would earn commitment. Some men understand this, but many do not… for many years, I was one who did not.

So my best advice for men is “be the man your girl would cheat on you with”.
*This hypothetical man probably doesn’t dote on her, but I’m willing to bet she dotes on him, brings him food, hangs on his every word.

Your relationship sounds very healthy.
I wonder if your wife thinks of you as better than her… it sounds like she does, based on how she treats you.

Humor me. Let’s assume your wife views you as her equal. How do you think she’d treat you if you started looking better, making more money, had more women pining after you?
*You dont have to answer, but you’re welcome to.

I very much appreciate the discussion, don’t ever think it’s an imposition.

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Which ones do you dispute and why?

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Cardio
LISS 40 mins

Didn’t get enough sleep last night, was too stressed and didn’t want to push it, so i just did cardio.

Honestly, I’m stressing out over career and school stuff a lot.

I didn’t really apply myself in the courses, i just did enough to pass. I didn’t go to a good school, just one with an accredited degree.
I don’t have a complete enough understanding to enter the workforce without significant handholding, and entry level or internship positions are sparse.

I’m looking into Master’s programs and leaning towards Master’s of Science in Software Engineering or Computer Science. I’m not sure what focus yet.
My GPA is like 2.9 and that means I’ll need to take the GRE to be taken seriously as a candidate. I’m not worried about the test as i crush tests regularly, but i need to refresh on the information.

If I’m going to do this, i need to do it right. Its not a “just get it done” thing like it usually is for me - i need to do it no bullshit. And it cant be a bullshit college either… something with a reputation.

I’m probably looking at a university like Drexel, Stevens, or Carnegie Mellon.

I cant tell if I’m nervous or excited, but my brain needs to calm the fuck down. I haven’t decided anything yet, and i need to speak with some career advisors.

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How many bedrooms does your second house have?

Does it have a basement?

Kick those bums out and collect rent from randos.

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Women often have more options than men, but they are not always great options, and things change over time. I think most people go for what seems the best option open to them at the time, and stick with that - until they don’t, if they don’t.

It is possible that people want their partner to bring the same amount of stuff to a relationship. A man being treated well by an okay woman might be roughly in equilibrium with a great man treating his woman okay. Depending on her experiences, traits and values, she might realize being treated okay is perfectly fine, which it is, especially after kids and many years of marriage. But being treated okay might be seen positively if she was mistreated in the past; or unacceptable if she was treated far better before. That experience is unique to the woman but feeds into her expectations. In fact, these experiences and expectations might affect how good or great they consider their partner to be in the first place. There are many more good people than great ones.

A woman with more options might initially be less realistic, insist on better treatment, or gradually become more unhappy if she thinks she brings a lot more to the relationship than she gets. Women do not always want to be put on a pedestal and always doing so isn’t that realistic, or as you say, wise. Children or other obligations and circumstances change the dynamic as well, of course.

I’m certainly no relationship expert. I think women are very different from one other, and they often place value on more intangible things than men do, but the reverse occurs too sometimes. I don’t think women are all the same. That doesn’t mean I disagree with your rule, but it seems to me part of a bigger guideline about equilibrium and the sum of all things both people value. At the end of the day, if this is unbalanced and this causes concern to either partner, than issues are more likely to arise.

But the equilibrium of what people most value: attention, treatment, share of tasks, looks, sex, money, humour, compatibility, support, children, respect, other important whatever else yada yada - this list will differ for different couples - at the end of the day balances out, more or less, in many successful relationships. Yet not every relationship is so transactional or quantifiable or even makes that degree of sense. People are complicated. So much so that I think your rule leaves out other things people value in their partner that also approach balance when everybody is happy. Your rule is a simplification, and it is a guideline because it does not apply to every relationship.

Could I be wrong? I often am. To be clear, I don’t dispute what you say. Just think it might be removing something from the analysis, which is not always a bad thing. The simplest way of stating the truth is often the best way.

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4 and no.

I thought about it.

I could charge maybe 1800 for rent.
My mortgage is 1200 (with taxes and insurance).
Property management company takes 10% of the 1800.
1800-1200-180= $420/mo
*This isn’t including the additional taxes I’ll owe if I claim the rent money as income - which I will have to.

Alternatively:
I could sell it right now for $100k profit.
Take 25% away for capital gain.
Maybe another 10k away for repairs and real estate fees.
Walk away with $65k cash.

It would take almost 13 years of renting to make the amount I could sell it for.

I always wanted to rent it, but right now it makes more sense to sell.

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I mean, I said “give her 2/3 of what she gives you” and you wrote a 5 paragraph response trying to clarify :joy:

-I think men typically want peace, sex, loyalty, deference, and adoration from women.
-I think women typically want protection, provision, emotional stability, and good genes from men.

Trying to equate the two just doesn’t work.
If women generally want men that are better than themselves, than they cannot also be equals to them.

I subscribe to the Captain and First Mate relationship dynamic. There can only be one captain, and if it’s the woman, she didn’t really want it to begin with. She’ll fuckin test you to make sure you know how to captain, and the tests will never stop, but your first mate really just wants to make sure you’ve got a handle on your ship.

P.S I didn’t come up with the rule

Adhere to the golden ratio
Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.

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Most people want someone better than they are, and not everybody gets that. They couldn’t, statistically.

Being concise: do what works for you, but no specific magic number will work for every woman and every relationship, and these things aren’t always so easy to quantify. I certainly agree many women want a firm and trustworthy guiding hand.

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sure, men want better than themselves too. But we’re willing to sleep, date, and marry down.

Women are not.

Its a guideline, dude.

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I think some women would disagree with that; some do think they slept, dated or married down or come to think that over time. But it isn’t worth getting too bothered about guidelines, like you say.

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Are you capable of recognizing things as generalities without having to say “yeah but not all women/men”?

You’ve put the “not all women” qualifier out there at least 4 times now.

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Sure. But some generalities are more general than others.

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I fuckin swear bro