Marvels: The Avengers (Trailer)

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Honestly, I didnt see Loki as much of a whiny bitch, as just playing the with hand he was dealt. He doesnt have the brute strength that Thor has, he has his illusions, tricks, and manipulation. Thats all he has to work with, so its what he uses. [/quote]

He’s insecure, jealous, needy, selfish, and attention-seeking. He is willing to sell out those around him that he should care about for power. Hell, he prefers it because he can’t get over his ego. He’s not subtle, clever, disciplined, and deliberate like someone should be who needs to rely on his mind. He fancies himself with those traits, but it’s not accurate. He makes rash alliances because of his thirst for power, the slightest taste of which distorts his abilities. He basically has nothing to work with except delusions of his own importance, and you don’t need to see the movie to figure out how that ends.

He’s basically Draco Malfoy.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Going this evening.

SO.PSYCHED.[/quote]

Was AMAZING.

Hell, the previews were even awesome (Batman, Spiderman, Battleship, Prometheus extended trailer)…

I <3 Hulk.

Black Widow’s ass, FTW

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Honestly, I didnt see Loki as much of a whiny bitch, as just playing the with hand he was dealt. He doesnt have the brute strength that Thor has, he has his illusions, tricks, and manipulation. Thats all he has to work with, so its what he uses. [/quote]

He’s insecure, jealous, needy, selfish, and attention-seeking. He is willing to sell out those around him that he should care about for power. Hell, he prefers it because he can’t get over his ego. He’s not subtle, clever, disciplined, and deliberate like someone should be who needs to rely on his mind. He fancies himself with those traits, but it’s not accurate. He makes rash alliances because of his thirst for power, the slightest taste of which distorts his abilities. He basically has nothing to work with except delusions of his own importance, and you don’t need to see the movie to figure out how that ends.

He’s basically Draco Malfoy. [/quote]

haha yeah, hes all of that. Never said he wasnt, but to characterize him as “just a whiny bitch” ignores his actual abilities, the damage he was able to do with those abilities, and really his entire back story.

And hes not Draco Malfoy, Draco had legitimate skill hamstrung by miserable parenting. Had he had parents who actually raised him, he would have been great.

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Honestly, I didnt see Loki as much of a whiny bitch, as just playing the with hand he was dealt. He doesnt have the brute strength that Thor has, he has his illusions, tricks, and manipulation. Thats all he has to work with, so its what he uses. [/quote]

He’s insecure, jealous, needy, selfish, and attention-seeking. He is willing to sell out those around him that he should care about for power. Hell, he prefers it because he can’t get over his ego. He’s not subtle, clever, disciplined, and deliberate like someone should be who needs to rely on his mind. He fancies himself with those traits, but it’s not accurate. He makes rash alliances because of his thirst for power, the slightest taste of which distorts his abilities. He basically has nothing to work with except delusions of his own importance, and you don’t need to see the movie to figure out how that ends.

He’s basically Draco Malfoy. [/quote]

While I agree, maybe its just the actor himself that makes Loki seem like he would be a clever/disciplined Villain, cause Tom Hiddleston has this look of being clever/disciplined.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
haha yeah, hes all of that. Never said he wasnt, but to characterize him as “just a whiny bitch” ignores his actual abilities, the damage he was able to do with those abilities, and really his entire back story.
[/quote]

He is definitely a whiny bitch with no redeeming personality traits. I don’t see how that is debatable. Of course he has abilities- he’s a god. If he were Joe Schmoe we wouldn’t be discussing how big of a whiny bitch he is.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
And hes not Draco Malfoy, Draco had legitimate skill hamstrung by miserable parenting. Had he had parents who actually raised him, he would have been great.
[/quote]

You could argue the same thing about Loki, at least within the continuity they are portraying in the movies, which is what this thread and my comment are about. The tipping point for Loki in Thor was realizing he was adopted. It gave him a “reason” to act on his feelings of inadequacy and jealousy. If Draco would have been great with involved parenting, then one could just as easily say that Loki would have been great with honest parenting.

Also, in both Thor and Avengers it’s primarily the power of others that he uses to wreck havoc e.g. Kingship of Asgard/the Destroyer and alien army/Tesseract. His delusion and ineptitude is really underscored by the fact that he imagines himself as some all powerful ruler of Earth (if successful) even though he is really a puppet. I think the movie highlights this fact in several scenes. Draco was similarly a puppet who got in over his head for the same reasons.

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PS - As with ALL Marvel movies, there is a piece to watch after the end of the credits.

I didn’t understand it much, but I don’t follow these story lines the way some die hards do.

There was a face of someone at the end, talking with the aliens, the face looked very sinister and dark. This has to be the teaser for part 2.

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I watched it yesterday. Didnt like it. Too much CGI. Got boring after awhile.

tweet

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]swhole milk wrote:
yeah well i think the concept of “best” movie is rather simple minded, so we all have our gripes.

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and how exactly was the alien army crappy? they destroyed manhattan and were bested only by superheroes and a demi-god… i think you just want to dislike something about the movie, lol. which is your prerogative i suppose.

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It just seemed that if Widow and Hawkeye could fight them then the cops could have done something. It also just seemed lame that the invasion was just in Manhattan.
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??

Widow and Hawkeye are Super Heroes thats the point they can do stuff normal people can’t. Are you into the Marvel stuff at all?[/quote]
Probably more than you, I get that they’re superheros but it’s not like the aliens had super armor, hawkeye didn’t even use many trick arrows.[/quote]

Well thats my point. This stuff happens in the Marvel Universe all the time. Why would you expect it to be diferent in the movies? And for the most part. Stan Lee keeps his stuff kinda close to NY so why not Manhattan.

And did you want the police to save the day? Help me out here man. What would you have changed?

I thought the Alien idea was a great one for no other reason you could Kill them without all the “We can beat up on them but not kill them because they are humanoids” that happens in Hero Movies because they don’t want to taint the Image.

I even got a kick out of …SPOILER…

Captain “A” having to reach for a gun.[/quote]
This tells me you don’t read comics.[/quote]

Stop trolling, please. If you were as big a fan of comics as you say you are, you’d know the significance of the “crappy alien army” and why they were specifically chosen as enemies for the movie. [/quote]

Exactly. His opinion means shit now. [/quote]
Uh no cap uses guns nothing new there newb, and bringing up Lee is irrelevant. You’re a newb or 60 yrs old either way your comic knowledge sucks.

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2:40 AM just got home after seeing it. All I can say is…

Thanos.

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Great movie. I loved the scene after the credits ended! I can’t believe so many people left before it.

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As a total non-comic guy, and someone who gets easily bored with most action movies, I really liked it.

Except now I have a headache after not blinking for 2.5 hours.

I’m impressed by the job Whedon did directing something on such a massive scale. Also thought Mark Ruffalo made a fantastic Hulk.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
How in the holy hell is there not a Hawkeye design?!?
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He would have been the obvious character to immortalize in a pair of 3D shades, Nick Fury, not so much. I guess they played it safe by sticking with the solo movie designs. Maybe in Phase 2…

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
haha yeah, hes all of that. Never said he wasnt, but to characterize him as “just a whiny bitch” ignores his actual abilities, the damage he was able to do with those abilities, and really his entire back story.
[/quote]

He is definitely a whiny bitch with no redeeming personality traits. I don’t see how that is debatable. Of course he has abilities- he’s a god. If he were Joe Schmoe we wouldn’t be discussing how big of a whiny bitch he is.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
And hes not Draco Malfoy, Draco had legitimate skill hamstrung by miserable parenting. Had he had parents who actually raised him, he would have been great.
[/quote]

You could argue the same thing about Loki, at least within the continuity they are portraying in the movies, which is what this thread and my comment are about. The tipping point for Loki in Thor was realizing he was adopted. It gave him a “reason” to act on his feelings of inadequacy and jealousy. If Draco would have been great with involved parenting, then one could just as easily say that Loki would have been great with honest parenting.

Also, in both Thor and Avengers it’s primarily the power of others that he uses to wreck havoc e.g. Kingship of Asgard/the Destroyer and alien army/Tesseract. His delusion and ineptitude is really underscored by the fact that he imagines himself as some all powerful ruler of Earth (if successful) even though he is really a puppet. I think the movie highlights this fact in several scenes. Draco was similarly a puppet who got in over his head for the same reasons.
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I don’t think Loki was inept; not after what he did in the prologue. He couldn’t be written as some completely irredeemable autonomous villain because the story had to show us why Thor would still feel a fraternal responsibility for him (“come home, brother”) and lay significant groundwork for future movies. But, I do agree that Loki was in over his head in bargaining with you-know-who (not Voldemort)…Thor even says something about how he would not be allowed to rule by his new allies. The implication being that someone far worse is waiting to throw down The Gauntlet…

Yes, Loki is blinkered by his lust for power (if you want to call it delusion) and is a puppet in some respects, but you know who is pulling the strings now. A bigger picture is starting to emerge where the most powerful beings we’ve seen so far aren’t quite at the top of the food chain. SHIELD were making preparations for the coming storm with the Avengers initiative + at least one other contingency plan, and even Fury was revealed to be a subordinate in his own organization.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
haha yeah, hes all of that. Never said he wasnt, but to characterize him as “just a whiny bitch” ignores his actual abilities, the damage he was able to do with those abilities, and really his entire back story.
[/quote]

He is definitely a whiny bitch with no redeeming personality traits. I don’t see how that is debatable. Of course he has abilities- he’s a god. If he were Joe Schmoe we wouldn’t be discussing how big of a whiny bitch he is.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
And hes not Draco Malfoy, Draco had legitimate skill hamstrung by miserable parenting. Had he had parents who actually raised him, he would have been great.
[/quote]
You could argue the same thing about Loki, at least within the continuity they are portraying in the movies, which is what this thread and my comment are about. The tipping point for Loki in Thor was realizing he was adopted. It gave him a “reason” to act on his feelings of inadequacy and jealousy. If Draco would have been great with involved parenting, then one could just as easily say that Loki would have been great with honest parenting.

Also, in both Thor and Avengers it’s primarily the power of others that he uses to wreck havoc e.g. Kingship of Asgard/the Destroyer and alien army/Tesseract. His delusion and ineptitude is really underscored by the fact that he imagines himself as some all powerful ruler of Earth (if successful) even though he is really a puppet. I think the movie highlights this fact in several scenes. Draco was similarly a puppet who got in over his head for the same reasons.
[/quote]

I don’t think Loki was inept; not after what he did in the prologue. He couldn’t be written as some completely irredeemable autonomous villain because the story had to show us why Thor would still feel a fraternal responsible for him (“come home”) and lay significant groundwork for future movies. But, I do agree that Loki was in over his head in bargaining with you-know-who (not Voldemort)…Thor even says something about how he would not be allowed to rule by his new allies. The implication being that someone far worse is waiting to throw down the gauntlet…

Yes, Loki is blinkered by his lust for power (if you want to call it delusion) and is a puppet in some respects, but you know who is pulling the strings now. A bigger picture is starting to emerge where the most powerful beings we’ve seen so far aren’t quite at the top of the food chain. SHIELD were making preparations for the coming storm with the Avengers initiative + at least one other contingiency plan, and even Fury was revealed to be a subordinate in his own organization.

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GREAT POST.

The way I see it for the sequel to work as well as this movie they need Joss Wheadon to stay no matter what it cost he is the MVP. The problem with any team story especially Marvel teams is to keep the egos in check long enough for the story to play out. I think they have a great cast I hope they stay level headed and don’t get sequel Fame-fever and start asking for more money and script approval and get replaced.

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[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Enjoyed it a lot.

Also think that Ruffalo did a good job with Banner.

Loki is a laughable villain, at best, puny demi god that he is (LOL).
And Thor must be the most gullible super hero of all time (hadn’t read Thor comics, before, only watched last year’s mediocre Thor flick).

Enjoyed Black Widow, too (wouldn’t have thought Johansson had it in her for manipulative toughgirl roles - remember, in Iron Man 2 we only got a short glimpse of her) and think that Renner did well by Hawkeye considering the little dialogue he had.

Still think that Tony Stark is one of the better Marvel heroes / characters. He doesn’t shy away from uncomfy decisions. And he had the best lines in the movie.

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Of course my favorite character had to be the hulk. He had some of the funniest moments of pure brutality. What he did to Loki, was brutal, yet I laughed my ass off. I was worried they may make the hulk weaker then he was known to be. Luckily, they didn’t.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

Thor just shows up
NO[/quote]
This was actually answered in the movie though I wish they did a scene of Thor on asgard coming down to earth.[/quote]

Correct.

[spoilers]

Loki asks Thor how much dark energy Odin wasted on conjuring Thor to Earth.
The main reason they didn’t show Odin teleporting Thor is that it’s probably a plot point in Thor 2, with Odin’s weakened state leaving Asgard open to attack or at least keeping Odin out of the fight (like with the Odinsleep in Thor)…

[/spoilers]

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Enjoyed it a lot.

Also think that Ruffalo did a good job with Banner.

Loki is a laughable villain, at best, puny demi god that he is (LOL).
And Thor must be the most gullible super hero of all time (hadn’t read Thor comics, before, only watched last year’s mediocre Thor flick).

Enjoyed Black Widow, too (wouldn’t have thought Johansson had it in her for manipulative toughgirl roles - remember, in Iron Man 2 we only got a short glimpse of her) and think that Renner did well by Hawkeye considering the little dialogue he had.

Still think that Tony Stark is one of the better Marvel heroes / characters. He doesn’t shy away from uncomfy decisions. And he had the best lines in the movie.

[/quote]

Of course my favorite character had to be the hulk. He had some of the funniest moments of pure brutality. What he did to Loki, was brutal, yet I laughed my ass off. I was worried they may make the hulk weaker then he was known to be. Luckily, they didn’t.[/quote]

This… I was definitely worried they would down play hulk. I also really like how they took the time to show thors strength and capability because in the thor movie he came off as incredibly weak and irrelevant but hell maybe I’m being bias because I really didn’t like the thor movie(I love thor though).

They put together this movie so well… especially managing all the different characters. Hope the sequel doesn’t fall short.

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Great fucking movie. Loved it. Went in with so much hype and expectations and it blew me away. Hulk was AMAZING. Hawkeye was badass. I loved every minute of this movie.

SPOILERS SPOILERS

I also liked how they showed Stark and Banner becoming friendly when working together. It added a new dynamic to Stark’s character, moving him past the narcissistic, self-serving guy people thought he was. Then to see the Hulk grab and “wake” him up at the end was just awesome. I had chills. Ruffalo was amazing, as Banner and for the facial expression and acting of Hulk. Didn’t miss Norton at all and I was a huge fan of his film.

SPOILERS SPOILERS

Definitely watch in 3D, IMAX if possible. Can’t wait for Blu-Ray.

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Does anyone know who the person is after the credits finished at the end ? I am not a guy who follows comic books, so help a brotha out.

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I saw it in the regular 2-D version, I am going to watch it today in the 3-D version, cause, ya know, I MUST critique both.