[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
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[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
haha yeah, hes all of that. Never said he wasnt, but to characterize him as “just a whiny bitch” ignores his actual abilities, the damage he was able to do with those abilities, and really his entire back story.
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He is definitely a whiny bitch with no redeeming personality traits. I don’t see how that is debatable. Of course he has abilities- he’s a god. If he were Joe Schmoe we wouldn’t be discussing how big of a whiny bitch he is.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
And hes not Draco Malfoy, Draco had legitimate skill hamstrung by miserable parenting. Had he had parents who actually raised him, he would have been great.
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You could argue the same thing about Loki, at least within the continuity they are portraying in the movies, which is what this thread and my comment are about. The tipping point for Loki in Thor was realizing he was adopted. It gave him a “reason” to act on his feelings of inadequacy and jealousy. If Draco would have been great with involved parenting, then one could just as easily say that Loki would have been great with honest parenting.
Also, in both Thor and Avengers it’s primarily the power of others that he uses to wreck havoc e.g. Kingship of Asgard/the Destroyer and alien army/Tesseract. His delusion and ineptitude is really underscored by the fact that he imagines himself as some all powerful ruler of Earth (if successful) even though he is really a puppet. I think the movie highlights this fact in several scenes. Draco was similarly a puppet who got in over his head for the same reasons.
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I don’t think Loki was inept; not after what he did in the prologue. He couldn’t be written as some completely irredeemable autonomous villain because the story had to show us why Thor would still feel a fraternal responsible for him (“come home”) and lay significant groundwork for future movies. But, I do agree that Loki was in over his head in bargaining with you-know-who (not Voldemort)…Thor even says something about how he would not be allowed to rule by his new allies. The implication being that someone far worse is waiting to throw down the gauntlet…
Yes, Loki is blinkered by his lust for power (if you want to call it delusion) and is a puppet in some respects, but you know who is pulling the strings now. A bigger picture is starting to emerge where the most powerful beings we’ve seen so far aren’t quite at the top of the food chain. SHIELD were making preparations for the coming storm with the Avengers initiative + at least one other contingiency plan, and even Fury was revealed to be a subordinate in his own organization.
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GREAT POST.
The way I see it for the sequel to work as well as this movie they need Joss Wheadon to stay no matter what it cost he is the MVP. The problem with any team story especially Marvel teams is to keep the egos in check long enough for the story to play out. I think they have a great cast I hope they stay level headed and don’t get sequel Fame-fever and start asking for more money and script approval and get replaced.
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Couldn’t agree more. No self-respecting fan could say that they didn’t have at least one “hell yeah” moment - and there were multiple heart-in-mouth fangasms for EVERY hero. Even Coulson got his star turn. Nobody should come away from this feeling cheated. The detractors forget that a movie like this usually has the kiss of death.
Whedon is a genius for the simple reason that this has never been done before on this scale. And if anybody doubts that he IS a genius, they need to think on how he cracked this movie: q) how do you balance several lead characters in a team up movie? a ) Let them fight for screen time…
Bay has NOTHING on this guy: where Bay is an outsider meddling with geek material, Whedon IS a geek. He watches these movies himself and reads the comics and knows the audience.
The second post-credits sequence was brilliant. [spoilers]
How do you top Thanos? Make everybody sit around for another five minutes to watch the Avengers eating Turkish kebabs. Build expectations then give them nothing. Even superheroes need downtime. Like the SHIELD analyst waiting for his Helicarrier shift to end by playing Space Invaders…
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To top it all off, reaction to the new, ‘playful’ Hulk has been so positive that Marvel have reversed their decision not to do another solo Hulk movie. It’s all on Whedon and Hulk wasn’t even the lead.
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In the second post credits, you notice how Cap looked like he was tryin to hide his face and Banner kept crackin up? Stark kept throwin looks at Banner like “dude, stop laughing, be serious!”
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LOL. Yeah. Chris Evans was working on another movie and had a beard when they went back to film that scene. They were corpsing because he was trying to hide it.