Martinez Williams Predictions

heavythrower · November 21, 2010, 6:45pm

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pac will lose to may.

simple. Pac has trouble with slick counter punchers. look at the two fights with Marquez. Mayweather is a bigger, stronger, faster, and younger Marquez.

Unless Mayweather has a terrible camp and comes in unprepared, Pac will lose to PBF.

But take that with a grain of Salt. I have been only 50/50 with picking Pacs fights. I predicted Pac would lose to ODLH, and Cotto, thought they were too big for him

though I did call Pac Clottey right on, Pac a convincing points win, but I said NO WAY Pac knocks Clottey out, too big and too sturdy.

matter of fact, he never even staggered Clottey once, despite Pac using JC’s head as a speed bag for 12 rounds.

fnf · November 21, 2010, 8:46pm

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
0949473971231

pac will lose to may.

simple. Pac has trouble with slick counter punchers. look at the two fights with Marquez. Mayweather is a bigger, stronger, faster, and younger Marquez.

Unless Mayweather has a terrible camp and comes in unprepared, Pac will lose to PBF.

But take that with a grain of Salt. I have been only 50/50 with picking Pacs fights. I predicted Pac would lose to ODLH, and Cotto, thought they were too big for him

though I did call Pac Clottey right on, Pac a convincing points win, but I said NO WAY Pac knocks Clottey out, too big and too sturdy.

matter of fact, he never even staggered Clottey once, despite Pac using JC’s head as a speed bag for 12 rounds. [/quote]

At 140+ Marquez would get KOd by Pac. Pac is a stronger and much better fighter now as he was then. Also, Marquez will be a lot slower at that weight, much like he was in the May fight.

Pac would lose to May by decision. There is no way that May would put himself in the position to get KOd. Since May is the best boxer right now, he will simply out-point him.

Martinez KO was simply AWESOME. I hope he gets the big payday he deserves before he retires.

goldengloves · November 21, 2010, 10:10pm

Good pick heavy, didn’t see that one coming.

I think a big problem with using what Marquez would be like at 140+ is he fought Mayweather at 140+ and it’s hard to look good against Mayweather. Even if you outwork him he’ll be blocking most of your shots and just has a real economic safety first style.

heavythrower · November 21, 2010, 10:28pm

then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147.

fnf · November 21, 2010, 10:48pm

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147. [/quote]

May will win by points and it won’t be by a landslide. I’m saying split decision because some judges will like Pacs aggressiveness. May will hit and move because he can be KOd. He won’t be stupid and trade combos with Pac. Besides, Pac is a different fighter now. He has better footwork, jab, hooks, and ring generalship.

My friend also picked Martinez by KO by the 3 round after seeing the first round and how Williams was getting hit with that left.

goldengloves · November 22, 2010, 3:33am

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147. [/quote]

May will win by points and it won’t be by a landslide. I’m saying split decision because some judges will like Pacs aggressiveness. May will hit and move because he can be KOd. He won’t be stupid and trade combos with Pac. Besides, Pac is a different fighter now. He has better footwork, jab, hooks, and ring generalship.

My friend also picked Martinez by KO by the 3 round after seeing the first round and how Williams was getting hit with that left.[/quote]

Mayweather can be knocked out? lol. Judah hurt him the worst and his glove only touched the canvas, Mosley wobbled him a couple times but Mayweather out boxed him and recovered. I don’t see Mayweather getting knocked out by someone like Pac.

goldengloves · November 22, 2010, 3:36am

Where do you guys have Martinez now on P4P? I think he should be in the top two now but unfortunately I don’t see it happening since he isn’t high profile. The politics will keep him out of it too.

heavythrower · November 22, 2010, 3:48am

I think Serg is one or two big fights over big name opponents from being in the PFP rankings, IMHO.

fnf · November 22, 2010, 5:02am

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147. [/quote]

May will win by points and it won’t be by a landslide. I’m saying split decision because some judges will like Pacs aggressiveness. May will hit and move because he can be KOd. He won’t be stupid and trade combos with Pac. Besides, Pac is a different fighter now. He has better footwork, jab, hooks, and ring generalship.

My friend also picked Martinez by KO by the 3 round after seeing the first round and how Williams was getting hit with that left.[/quote]

Mayweather can be knocked out? lol. Judah hurt him the worst and his glove only touched the canvas, Mosley wobbled him a couple times but Mayweather out boxed him and recovered. I don’t see Mayweather getting knocked out by someone like Pac.
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I disagree. Judah does not have the punching power of Pac. Yes Mayweather out boxed Mosley and recovered, but Mosley looked like shit after that round and it wasn’t all because of May. If Mosley had more endurance maybe he could have finished the job, but he looked tired and weak.
Pac can hurt May, but May won’t put him in the position to do it.
Besides you are right in the fact that Mayweather can’t be KOd because he’s never been KOd before has he? lol

sardines12 · November 22, 2010, 5:39am

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147. [/quote]

May will win by points and it won’t be by a landslide. I’m saying split decision because some judges will like Pacs aggressiveness. May will hit and move because he can be KOd. He won’t be stupid and trade combos with Pac. Besides, Pac is a different fighter now. He has better footwork, jab, hooks, and ring generalship.

My friend also picked Martinez by KO by the 3 round after seeing the first round and how Williams was getting hit with that left.[/quote]

Mayweather can be knocked out? lol. Judah hurt him the worst and his glove only touched the canvas, Mosley wobbled him a couple times but Mayweather out boxed him and recovered. I don’t see Mayweather getting knocked out by someone like Pac.
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I disagree. Judah does not have the punching power of Pac. Yes Mayweather out boxed Mosley and recovered, but Mosley looked like shit after that round and it wasn’t all because of May. If Mosley had more endurance maybe he could have finished the job, but he looked tired and weak.
Pac can hurt May, but May won’t put him in the position to do it.
Besides you are right in the fact that Mayweather can’t be KOd because he’s never been KOd before has he? lol
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I don’t think Mayweather legs are as good as they used to be, I see Pac’s speed being too much for May and Pac eventually finding his opening. Just my opinion.

goldengloves · November 22, 2010, 8:21am

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147. [/quote]

May will win by points and it won’t be by a landslide. I’m saying split decision because some judges will like Pacs aggressiveness. May will hit and move because he can be KOd. He won’t be stupid and trade combos with Pac. Besides, Pac is a different fighter now. He has better footwork, jab, hooks, and ring generalship.

My friend also picked Martinez by KO by the 3 round after seeing the first round and how Williams was getting hit with that left.[/quote]

Mayweather can be knocked out? lol. Judah hurt him the worst and his glove only touched the canvas, Mosley wobbled him a couple times but Mayweather out boxed him and recovered. I don’t see Mayweather getting knocked out by someone like Pac.
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I disagree. Judah does not have the punching power of Pac. Yes Mayweather out boxed Mosley and recovered, but Mosley looked like shit after that round and it wasn’t all because of May. If Mosley had more endurance maybe he could have finished the job, but he looked tired and weak.
Pac can hurt May, but May won’t put him in the position to do it.
Besides you are right in the fact that Mayweather can’t be KOd because he’s never been KOd before has he? lol
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My point was that Mayweather has been caught with good shots yet he’s never been floored, he’s stumbled and recovered or wobbled and recovered but never dropped or in real danger. He has good ring generalship and ability to recover so I honestly can’t say I’d ever see him getting knocked out by Pacquiao.

No, Mosley can’t fight a boxer. He gets frustrated and starts tensing up, then rather than creating an opportunity he tries to load up on big shots. Mosley didn’t get tired and weak, Mosley got outclassed. There are subtle things a lot of you guys are missing in the Mayweather-Mosley fight like feints and shifting weight that’s technically sound and frustrating to someone like Mosley.

duffyj2 · November 22, 2010, 10:20am

More thoughts…

So much for a rubber match between Paul and Serge.

This might actually make it easier for Paul to find a fight with Pac/May.

About the Pacquiao-Mayweather matchup…

It probably won’t happen.

Pac would probably win it. He’d put a huge amount of rounds in the bank just by being aggresive. If DLH can hold May to a split decision, Pac is good enough to take it.

fnf · November 22, 2010, 2:59pm

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
then we agree, Marquez gave Pac fits as a smaller fighter, and Mayweather will beat him at 147. [/quote]

May will win by points and it won’t be by a landslide. I’m saying split decision because some judges will like Pacs aggressiveness. May will hit and move because he can be KOd. He won’t be stupid and trade combos with Pac. Besides, Pac is a different fighter now. He has better footwork, jab, hooks, and ring generalship.

My friend also picked Martinez by KO by the 3 round after seeing the first round and how Williams was getting hit with that left.[/quote]

Mayweather can be knocked out? lol. Judah hurt him the worst and his glove only touched the canvas, Mosley wobbled him a couple times but Mayweather out boxed him and recovered. I don’t see Mayweather getting knocked out by someone like Pac.
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I disagree. Judah does not have the punching power of Pac. Yes Mayweather out boxed Mosley and recovered, but Mosley looked like shit after that round and it wasn’t all because of May. If Mosley had more endurance maybe he could have finished the job, but he looked tired and weak.
Pac can hurt May, but May won’t put him in the position to do it.
Besides you are right in the fact that Mayweather can’t be KOd because he’s never been KOd before has he? lol
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My point was that Mayweather has been caught with good shots yet he’s never been floored, he’s stumbled and recovered or wobbled and recovered but never dropped or in real danger. He has good ring generalship and ability to recover so I honestly can’t say I’d ever see him getting knocked out by Pacquiao.

No, Mosley can’t fight a boxer. He gets frustrated and starts tensing up, then rather than creating an opportunity he tries to load up on big shots. Mosley didn’t get tired and weak, Mosley got outclassed. There are subtle things a lot of you guys are missing in the Mayweather-Mosley fight like feints and shifting weight that’s technically sound and frustrating to someone like Mosley. [/quote]

True. I remember when Mosley lost to Winky and Vernon and he did do what you just said.

If you enjoy defensive fighters, who did you like more, Pernell Whitaker or May?

anon31651765 · November 22, 2010, 6:12pm

[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Where do you guys have Martinez now on P4P? I think he should be in the top two now but unfortunately I don’t see it happening since he isn’t high profile. The politics will keep him out of it too.[/quote]

Right now he’s at #3.

I can’t put him above Mayweather and Pacquaio, who are 1 and 2- they simply have too many big name victories on their belts, plus they’ve moved up and down the weight classes over teh years.

I like Martinez, but this late start of his really hurts him in that regard.

anon31651765 · November 22, 2010, 6:17pm

[quote]fnf wrote:

I disagree. Judah does not have the punching power of Pac. Yes Mayweather out boxed Mosley and recovered, but Mosley looked like shit after that round and it wasn’t all because of May. If Mosley had more endurance maybe he could have finished the job, but he looked tired and weak.
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But see, this is where you guys misunderstand boxing.

Mayweather WANTED Mosley to come in and try to finish the job, he WANTED Mosley to go for that one punch KO instead of boxing him like he SHOULD have, putting together combinations and then landing a few bigger shots as the fight progressed.

Shane DID jump on him, as best he could, but the point is that while you’re so desperately trying to “finish the job,” Mayweather is counterpunching the shit out of you because you’ve opened up in the attempt to catch him with a big punch.

I don’t want to sound like an asshole but this game looks a lot different from the inside than it does from the outside guys. It’s not quite as easy to catch and KO a masterful defensive fighter as some of you think

Mayweather, like nearly any other human, could be KO’d, but he’s technically so perfect in his defense that you’re unlikely to see him ever put in the position where he could be.

As soon as he feels danger, he uses his footwork to completely nullify the advantage teh other fighter has. The angles and pivots he uses cannot be underestimated.

anon31651765 · November 22, 2010, 6:18pm

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

My point was that Mayweather has been caught with good shots yet he’s never been floored, he’s stumbled and recovered or wobbled and recovered but never dropped or in real danger. He has good ring generalship and ability to recover so I honestly can’t say I’d ever see him getting knocked out by Pacquiao.

No, Mosley can’t fight a boxer. He gets frustrated and starts tensing up, then rather than creating an opportunity he tries to load up on big shots. Mosley didn’t get tired and weak, Mosley got outclassed. There are subtle things a lot of you guys are missing in the Mayweather-Mosley fight like feints and shifting weight that’s technically sound and frustrating to someone like Mosley. [/quote]

That’s exactly right. I should have just x2’d this one haha.

fnf · November 22, 2010, 7:47pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

I disagree. Judah does not have the punching power of Pac. Yes Mayweather out boxed Mosley and recovered, but Mosley looked like shit after that round and it wasn’t all because of May. If Mosley had more endurance maybe he could have finished the job, but he looked tired and weak.
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But see, this is where you guys misunderstand boxing.

Mayweather WANTED Mosley to come in and try to finish the job, he WANTED Mosley to go for that one punch KO instead of boxing him like he SHOULD have, putting together combinations and then landing a few bigger shots as the fight progressed.

Shane DID jump on him, as best he could, but the point is that while you’re so desperately trying to “finish the job,” Mayweather is counterpunching the shit out of you because you’ve opened up in the attempt to catch him with a big punch.

I don’t want to sound like an asshole but this game looks a lot different from the inside than it does from the outside guys. It’s not quite as easy to catch and KO a masterful defensive fighter as some of you think

Mayweather, like nearly any other human, could be KO’d, but he’s technically so perfect in his defense that you’re unlikely to see him ever put in the position where he could be.

As soon as he feels danger, he uses his footwork to completely nullify the advantage teh other fighter has. The angles and pivots he uses cannot be underestimated.
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Hey Irish, I’ve boxed for a few years, not against any pro fighters, but I understand a bit of the little nuances of the game you’re talking about. That’s why I said Pac has the power to KO May, but May won’t put himself in the position for this to happen. One fighter I enjoyed watching was Pernell Whitaker who had one of the best defenses of all time. That’s why I like Mayweather.

But May fans, like Pac fans think a little too highly of them. But Mayweather is undeafeated so it’s easier for me to defend him. lol

By the way, you don’t sound like an asshole when you can intelligently argue your point of view.

anon31651765 · November 22, 2010, 8:04pm

[quote]fnf wrote:
Hey Irish, I’ve boxed for a few years, not against any pro fighters, but I understand a bit of the little nuances of the game you’re talking about. That’s why I said Pac has the power to KO May, but May won’t put himself in the position for this to happen. One fighter I enjoyed watching was Pernell Whitaker who had one of the best defenses of all time. That’s why I like Mayweather.

But May fans, like Pac fans think a little too highly of them. But Mayweather is undeafeated so it’s easier for me to defend him. lol
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I love Pernell. I like watching him more than Mayweather- I really loved his style- a little more fluid than Mayweather’s, which can be a bit more abrubt and forceful.

As far as the current crop of boxers go, these guys are at the top. No denying that. But as far as all time, they barely scrape the surface.

You put either fighter in with Robinson, Armstrong, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, and they got big fucking problems.

But I rate Mayweather at the top of the last 10 years because really, he’s made every victory except for the first Castillo bout look easy- really fucking easy.

The thing is Mayweather fans are boxing fans- you know about FLoyd or Roger Mayweather, and you been watching the game for a while.

However, Pacquaio fans are not necessarily boxing fans- just as often, they’re rabid Filipinos who now have a national idol to latch onto, which is something they never had before. And that’s fine… as long as they don’t come at me like I don’t know boxing just because they watched three pacquaio fights and now think that he’s the be all end all to boxing, especially when the motherfuckers have never sat back and watched guys like the ones I mentioned above.

I like Pac, honestly. I just tend to hate his fans.

[quote]
By the way, you don’t sound like an asshole when you can intelligently argue your point of view.[/quote]

I can intelligently argue my point of view anytime I want. It’s just finding people that aren’t a step above autistic to make it worth putting the time into the argument.

duffyj2 · November 22, 2010, 8:30pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

I love Pernell. I like watching him more than Mayweather- I really loved his style- a little more fluid than Mayweather’s, which can be a bit more abrubt and forceful.[/quote]

I think what people like about Mayweather is the technical nature of his defense. You pick up a boxing book and you see that guy, that has the right move for every punch… that’s Mayweather. You’re not going to pick up a book that says “just slip every fuckin’ punch, then slide behind you’re opponent and make him wonder where you’ve gone.”

Incidentally, this happens to be maybe my favourite boxing highlight…

This actually doesn’t seem to be true over in Eire. But that could just be the people I know. Still, there was a very embarassing “White Collar Boxing” show on a while ago and Floyd’s name cropped up often enough. Seriously doubt they would have known much about Roger tho’.

goldengloves · November 22, 2010, 9:00pm