With all the problems we have with cigarettes & alcohol, do you really want another drug legal?
I think you’re a little brain-washed. What I learned in my Drugs and Behavior class by disinterested but top scientists in the field seems more credible to me than sources with social agendas and reason to be biased. Namely that was, the addiction potential for marijuana is so low as to be nonexistent. Pyschologically, there can be addiction.
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable. The studies attempting to eliminate all confounds suggest the correlation is low. The biggest comfound in terms of investigating the link to cancer is that a huge percentage of those studied were also heavy smokers (cigarettes).
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Heck…if you learned that in “class” then it must be right!
But here is more information if you are interested. If not that’s okay too.
I 100% agree with the legalization of marijuana. I wrote a post on here a couple weeks ago about smoking weed before I went lifting, and everyone seemed to rip me a new asshole pretty fast. But it’s good to see so many supporters. Weed is not nearly as harmful to the body or society as alchohol. Thousands of people die each year from alchohol, how many in history have died from weed. Zero.
The argument about it making people lose ambition and motivation is bullshit. It just depends on the person. If all you do is smoke all day, yes it will ruin your life, just like if you play video games all day they will ruin your life too, but they aren’t illegal. I smoke more than any of my freinds, though I would consider myself a moderate smoker, and I’m way more motivated, efficient, and so far sucessful than any of them. I agree with the statement of the governemnt keeping it illegal because it’s hard to tax and control, so I don’t see it becoming legal anytime soon.
Which is very sad for the thousands of people that our taxes pay for to keep in prison for distribution of marijuana. As far as terrorism support, I’d have to see some direct proof of that before I’d believe my pot money is supporting Al Queda. I think the biggest joke is the governments anti weed commercials. Any kid who sees that is going to be like “I know that weed won’t make me kill people, so why doesn’t the government just tell me the REAL reasons it’s bad, why do they need to make shit up to try to get me not to do it?” I laugh out loud at those ridiculous fucking commercials.
[quote]orion wrote:
reddog, imagine my surprise as I read your post and found out that you postet a link to the “woman?s christian temperance union” on Testosterone Nation…
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You’re right, If I were you, I’d totally disregard it because it come from a womsn’s organization, and a christian one at that.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable.
Hmm, sounds like the crap the tabacco companies were trying to tell us 15-20 years ago. If you’re interested in being and remaining healthy, why would you inhale any kind of smoke & hold it in your lungs.
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Thats an absolutely great point reddog and I hope everyone keeps that in mind but again, why in the hell do we need the federal government to tell us we cant do something because its bad for us? I hate to beat a dead horse but I for one had my fill of being told what to do for the first 18 years of my life…I dont need another mom to hold my hand as I walk across the street and I dont need some self righteous jackass in Washington telling me I cant get high. Im old enough to figure that out for myself…
[quote]orion wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
retailboy wrote:
If the leagalization of Marijuana reduces the consumption of it then we will GREATLY reduce terrorist groups funding.
Oh, you’re one of those people. Yes, importing marijuana and marijuana use in the U.S. is the chief source of funding terrorist groups. Now it all makes sense.
Yes those canadian indoor growers support terrorism where they can. But even they are not as dangerous as those mexican terrorist guerilla growers.[/quote]
what the hell are you talking about. canadian pot growers are usually just regular people who like to smoke pot or want money. There is no reason to say they support terrorism. Your ignorance astounds me.
The argument about it making people lose ambition and motivation is bullshit. It just depends on the person. If all you do is smoke all day, yes it will ruin your life, just like if you play video games all day they will ruin your life too, but they aren’t illegal. I smoke more than any of my freinds, though I would consider myself a moderate smoker, and I’m way more motivated, efficient, and so far sucessful than any of them. [/quote]
Yeah, and a friend of mine is a functioning alcoholic, pretty much the same thing.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable.
Hmm, sounds like the crap the tabacco companies were trying to tell us 15-20 years ago. If you’re interested in being and remaining healthy, why would you inhale any kind of smoke & hold it in your lungs.
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Except that nicotine is extremely physically additive. If there’s any concincing evidence that marijuana is I have yet to see it. I’m not saying that marijuana isn’t bad for lung function. I do believe that it is. It seems that it is much more likely to lead to emphysema than lung cancer. Regardless, I don’t think it can really be compared to cigarettes. Of course there are people who smoke pot everyday. But I think there are many more who do so occasionally.
[quote]LBRTRN wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable.
Hmm, sounds like the crap the tabacco companies were trying to tell us 15-20 years ago. If you’re interested in being and remaining healthy, why would you inhale any kind of smoke & hold it in your lungs.
Thats an absolutely great point reddog and I hope everyone keeps that in mind but again, why in the hell do we need the federal government to tell us we cant do something because its bad for us? I hate to beat a dead horse but I for one had my fill of being told what to do for the first 18 years of my life…I dont need another mom to hold my hand as I walk across the street and I dont need some self righteous jackass in Washington telling me I cant get high. Im old enough to figure that out for myself…
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I’m not a libertarian, and there are instances where I support government involvement. But I do think there is too much government regulation of private lives. Marijuana is a substance that I consider harmless enough (though it too can be abused and negatively impact lives) that the government should not get involved and render its use illegal.
The argument about it making people lose ambition and motivation is bullshit. It just depends on the person. If all you do is smoke all day, yes it will ruin your life, just like if you play video games all day they will ruin your life too, but they aren’t illegal. I smoke more than any of my freinds, though I would consider myself a moderate smoker, and I’m way more motivated, efficient, and so far sucessful than any of them.
Yeah, and a friend of mine is a functioning alcoholic, pretty much the same thing.
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He can’t go without alcohol and/or stop at a few drinks once he’s starts? There’s a difference between alcoholic and problem drinker. Not that I think being a problem drinker is ok. There are plenty of people who will smoke pot sometimes on the weekends and yet are extremely succesful in all aspects of life. I wouldn’t consider them functioning potheads.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
orion wrote:
reddog, imagine my surprise as I read your post and found out that you postet a link to the “woman?s christian temperance union” on Testosterone Nation…
You’re right, If I were you, I’d totally disregard it because it come from a womsn’s organization, and a christian one at that. [/quote]
Of course it should not be completely disregarded. But the source always matters when evaluating the validity of their ‘evidence’. Looking at the evidence itself, a lot of what they said is correct. But a lot is also not thouroughly enough researched or substantiated to be credible to me.
[quote]Jprocrastinator wrote:
[…] as a drug, marijuana is not much more inebriating than booze. As a matter of fact, in many ways it’s less harmful than booze.[/quote] (emphasis mine)
You misspelled “all”
[quote]3) Make the only legal marijuana marijuana that is grown by licensed U.S. farmers. This serves two purposes.
1-Screws over all those central/south american druglords, who no longer make millions off of this product
2-Gives American Farmers a much needed cash crop.[/quote]
I can see the logic behind this supposition, but I disagree. I would submit that we make all domestic marijuana legal, since it grows wild in North America. Boom – the black market vanishes. Those without a green thumb could purchase legal weed through legal, taxed venues.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
All drugs should be legalized, not just marijuana. It ought to be your choice as to what you put in your own body.[/quote]
Only to the extent I don’t have to foot the bill for any of your medical care or welfare – or that of your kids. And to the extent you get locked up with the key thrown away if you commit crimes due to any addiction or abuse.
With all the problems we have with cigarettes & alcohol, do you really want another drug legal?
I think you’re a little brain-washed. What I learned in my Drugs and Behavior class by disinterested but top scientists in the field seems more credible to me than sources with social agendas and reason to be biased. Namely that was, the addiction potential for marijuana is so low as to be nonexistent. Pyschologically, there can be addiction.
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable. The studies attempting to eliminate all confounds suggest the correlation is low. The biggest comfound in terms of investigating the link to cancer is that a huge percentage of those studied were also heavy smokers (cigarettes).
Heck…if you learned that in “class” then it must be right!
But here is more information if you are interested. If not that’s okay too.
Well, my professor, Dr. Neil, is currently a top drugs researcher. He’s involved in a lot of the current rat, primate, and human studies on various drugs. (He’d be the first to tell that some of the illegal drugs are extremely addictive, and he could go on for days about exactly why. But not marijuana)He’s not some rube off the street. I believe he’s working on a textbook right now. I am interested. It’s an interesting source. I don’t dispute that marijuana use would go up with legalization. It very well might. I just don’t really view that as a problem.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
All drugs should be legalized, not just marijuana. It ought to be your choice as to what you put in your own body.
Only to the extent I don’t have to foot the bill for any of your medical care or welfare – or that of your kids. And to the extent you get locked up with the key thrown away if you commit crimes due to any addiction or abuse.
In that case, then yeah.[/quote]
No, I don’t think so Boston-Who pays the bill for a life sentence when the druggie gets is busted? You and I…
Hey I have an idea…why don’t we actually legalize something that is positive and productive. Naw…no one wants that
I don’t dispute that marijuana use would go up with legalization. It very well might. I just don’t really view that as a problem.
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No…no problem at all. First let’s talk to the traffic cops and ask them if they think that accidents would go up if there was more pot use. When we are done there let’s talk to the emergency room docotrs and nurses. There are obviously countless medical problems (in addition). Smoke in the lungs…not a good thing. Those who say “it’s my lungs” have to realize that IT’S MY MY MONEY WHICH GOES TO PAY RISING INSURANCE COSTS!
I think when you promote something that takes away (at least some) reason, and partial control of your faculties and in addition to this is obviously bad for you physically, it’s not a step forward, but backward.
30,000 people die each year in alcohol related traffic accidents. Countless others suffer the many other problems of alcoholism. How many die from use of tobacco? If more people smoke pot we will have even more social problems? Whether it’s addictive or not, it’s not a good idea to make it legal. It seems that there is enough social problems related to people trying to forget who they are and where they are by consuming some sort of drug…
Seriously, why can’t we come up with something that helps people instead of tears them down?
What makes you think that the legalization of weed would increase its use? I dont know how it was when you were a kid but it was far easier for me to go out and buy weed than it was to buy alcohol. Seriously, how many people do you know that refuse to smoke weed because its illegal? I know people who think its immoral, dangerous, a waste of money, etc. but nobody who goes, “gee, I better not get high…after all its illegal.”
