I am pretty sure the only reason it is illegal here in Canada is out of fear of retaliation from American policy makers.
I am vaguely sure that it was only made illegal in the first place out of racism.
At one point every drug including alcohol was illegal, but booze managed to fight its way back.
[quote]buffballswell wrote:
In my humble opinion marijuana should be legal. Your thoughts please.[/quote]
Gregus, I could care less what you say-not even enough to read through that whole post. Marijuana is not physiologically addictive. Think whatever you want. You seem to be saying it’s relatively harmless. In that I agree. If you want to learn about the general physiological and and psychological aspects of addiction and how different drugs work through various receptors, go read about it. I really don’t even know what you’re trying to argue about with me, nor do I care.
Marijuana consumption is not going to go away, and as a drug, marijuana is not much more inebriating than booze. As a matter of fact, in many ways it’s less harmful than booze. Booze is the number one cause of domestic abuse (mean drunks) When’s the last time you heard about a pothead lighting up and then beating the shit out of his family? doesn’t happen, pot doesn’t make people violent.
Legalize it, educate the public about it proper use, as we have done with booze.
Make the only legal marijuana marijuana that is grown by licensed U.S. farmers. This serves two purposes.
1-Screws over all those central/south american druglords, who no longer make millions off of this product
2-Gives American Farmers a much needed cash crop.
Tax the shit out of it. Marijuana is so easy to grow that even with extensive taxation, it would probably be cheaper than what it sells for on the street. Devote 50%of revenue to the national debt, the other 50% towards fighting the use of really bad drugs. After weed pays off the national debt, (in about 5 years or so, considering how much of it is smoked and how high the sin tax will be) Put that portion towards education and researching clean running energy sources.
Weed can save the world.
On a lighter note, the Denver Police are quite generous with their car auctions:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/automotive/4822632/detail.html
Evidently, there are bonus prizes when you purchase some confiscated vehicles. I don’t know if I would have returned the unexpected “extras” when I discovered them, however. I don’t touch the stuff myself anymore, but I have plenty of friends who do.
Good post, JPro. I don’t know if weed can save the world, but it can definitely make it want some Little Debbies! 
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Gregus, I could care less what you say-not even enough to read through that whole post. Marijuana is not physiologically addictive. Think whatever you want. You seem to be saying it’s relatively harmless. In that I agree. If you want to learn about the general physiological and and psychological aspects of addiction and how different drugs work through various receptors, go read about it. I really don’t even know what you’re trying to argue about with me, nor do I care.[/quote]
Dude, wtf are you talking about. Did you even read the post? Ofcourse you didn’t, why bother you obviousley are too superior to read it and come to an understanding with me. Don’t let your ego get in the way. I NEVER said it’s physiologically addictive, NEVER. In fact the whole post was made to make that very very clear. So in the end I’ll study the precise mechanisms of addiction, most of which are bs as they tell you nothing about a individuals particular state of subconscious mind, a pleace in which lyes the reason for addiction to even attempt to happen in the first place. It’s like saying that an anorexic has food issues, alas they don’t they have other issues that are expressed with food. And you go study reading comprehension.
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I especially like where you exasperate the point of posts one upping each other and turning into a pissing match of intelligence–yet your whole post is a pissing match with js.
Nice job. You’re not only a doper, you’re a doper with the best dope. How much more impressed could I possibly be. Now I know why you responded as such with the Minnesota Viking who got caught with the wizzinator.
It should be legalized, but right now it’s not. If I broke all the rules and laws I didn’t care for then what the hell would be the sense in having any?[/quote]
What’s the matter, i can’t make a comment without you pointing fingers at me, for what? You’re calling me a dope head? The wizzinator? WTF? Bro let me tell you, if you think you can sum me up based on a couple of blips on a on line forum, you sir are a simple man. Simple to the point of you not being worth my time or effort in even talking to you or acknowledging your mere existence. In the end you do not matter to me in my life. You’re a persona non gratas to me.
Oh and i supose i already said too much making it look like you fired me up or something. But in reality maybe you’ll open your mind to the world that surrounds you and burst that silly bubble you live in, you’ll do yourself a favor, You’ll be like the monkey having the awakening to the next level of consciousness via space oddysey 2001.
ta ta!
Wow, I’m shocked that most who respond to this thread, on a web site which atracts (mainly) young males would be pro legalization of pot! LOL
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Wow, I’m shocked that most who respond to this thread, on a web site which atracts (mainly) young males would be pro legalization of pot! LOL[/quote]
So because this site attracts young males, this means we should lie about the effects of marijuana and try to scare them from ever using it? Yes, I am sure if we tell them they will die by smoking it that this will stop all use. Lying is one of the reasons for many drug issues. These kids see that their friends aren’t dying from smoking a joint which tosses out everything else they heard about any other “drug”.
How about instead of lies, we simply tell the freaking truth? That weed is not physiologically addictive, unlike cigarettes and alcohol which can both be very addictive. No one has ever died from a weed overdose because there is a ceiling to how high someone can get in the first place from cannibis. This is unlike alcohol which can lead to alcohol poisoning…which has claimed the lives of many.
Why not talk about the genetic component of addiction in the first place? That means that someone pre-disposed to be “addicted” to something will be more likely to look for that attraction anywhere that provides the release.
Being a kid shouldn’t mean you get lied to. They can believe in Santa Clause as long as they want to, but when they choose to stop, quit telling them he still exists.
People like you live in a false world where you actually think hiding the truth is a good thing, just to get the result you desire in society. That hasn’t worked too well, huh?
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
I understand the logic. I have heard that there is more illegal trafficing of tobacco than there is LEGAL sale of tobacco. I don’t know if that’s true, but if we’re talking about big 200% or 300% government taxing (such as with tobacco) I think you’ll have the same drug dealing infrastructure in place that you have today.
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This is true. Government can raise taxes to the point that black markets will develop as the taxes become de facto prohibitive. And there is evidence this happens with tobacco.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
On a lighter note, the Denver Police are quite generous with their car auctions:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/automotive/4822632/detail.html
Evidently, there are bonus prizes when you purchase some confiscated vehicles. I don’t know if I would have returned the unexpected “extras” when I discovered them, however. I don’t touch the stuff myself anymore, but I have plenty of friends who do.[/quote]
This is another huge reason to move toward legalization. Government seizures of property “involved” in drug crimes is a horrible violation of due process. As there doesn’t seem to be much of a constituency for removing the seizure laws (especially among state and local governments, which take in huge revenues from these auctions), I would vote for legalization soley for the purpose of removing these laws.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Wow, I’m shocked that most who respond to this thread, on a web site which atracts (mainly) young males would be pro legalization of pot! LOL
So because this site attracts young males, this means we should lie about the effects of marijuana and try to scare them from ever using it? Yes, I am sure if we tell them they will die by smoking it that this will stop all use. Lying is one of the reasons for many drug issues. These kids see that their friends aren’t dying from smoking a joint which tosses out everything else they heard about any other “drug”.
How about instead of lies, we simply tell the freaking truth? That weed is not physiologically addictive, unlike cigarettes and alcohol which can both be very addictive. No one has ever died from a weed overdose because there is a ceiling to how high someone can get in the first place from cannibis. This is unlike alcohol which can lead to alcohol poisoning…which has claimed the lives of many.
Why not talk about the genetic component of addiction in the first place? That means that someone pre-disposed to be “addicted” to something will be more likely to look for that attraction anywhere that provides the release.
Being a kid shouldn’t mean you get lied to. They can believe in Santa Clause as long as they want to, but when they choose to stop, quit telling them he still exists.
People like you live in a false world where you actually think hiding the truth is a good thing, just to get the result you desire in society. That hasn’t worked too well, huh?[/quote]
Well said. Also Alcohol has lethal dose (LD) of 5-10. This means that the ammount it takes to get you seriousley drunk, once magnified 5-10 times will kill you. It happens everyday, alcohol builds alot of tolerace and a diconnection of reality which allows people to literally drink themselves to death.
Cannabis has a LD that’s still very debatable. But it’s “estimated” to be 20,000-50,000. So you would have to inhale at least 20,000 more puffs then it took you to get high to even possibly get ill enough to die. You’ll long pass out even after 50 puffs, it’s that safe of a drug, literally the safest drug in existence!! That’s why the constant never ending controversy surrounding it. Too many people saw for themselves what an enjoyable, safe and pleasant effect it has on their system and see through the propaganda BS! Ohh and let me tell everyone how much BS they’re pumping out there.
Just when you (the readers) thought that communists were the only people to use propaganda on their unsuspecting population, You’ll open your eyes and see that the USA are MASTERS of brainwashing propaganda, M A S T E R S !
Open your minds people, reject the crap you’re spoon fed all your life and start to reserch and think for yourselves. Did anyone ever consider that the real reason so many substances are banned is because of the free thinking that they induce? The questioning that arises from the free thinking? Believe that fact that the governments prefer a docile population that does not have the time nor inclination to face and ask difficult questions of it’s leaders, or even worse make the time for protests!! Fuck that, controll them and turn them into sheeple. It’s one of the levesl of controll imposed to keep order in the population. Banking and credit bureaus and credit cards are just extra steps added to keep you in debt, working and quiet.
Again literally eliminating you having the time or inclination for rally protesting, indeed even the time of the press rithlessly forcing the president to offer plausible explanations is over. All press conferences are now so controlled and docile with questions pre approved ahead of time, it’s not even worth watching. The government learned it’s lesson well in the 60’s and made sure we don’t have the time nor inclination to question and bring down administrations, IMO.
(the last part is not directed at Prof X , he’s already on his path to enlightement)
[quote]John K wrote:
I am pretty sure the only reason it is illegal here in Canada is out of fear of retaliation from American policy makers.
I am vaguely sure that it was only made illegal in the first place out of racism.
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I don’t know about the first part. marijuana is illegal almost everywhere in the world.
Racism did play a role in making it illegal. It was said that it made black men go crazy. I don’t think racism was the reason it was made illegal, just a bit of propaganda to further the cause.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
Gregus wrote:
MJ’s addictive properties are documented to be equal in intensity to Caffeine.
Even if that were true (and it may very well be)whats your point? Do you need or want the federal government telling you what you cant put in your body, regardless of the danger? I sure as hell dont…
It is true. You don’t have to get a hostile tone with me here. I posted this to educate the non users of this wonderfull plant, as most of the non smokers don’t differentiate it form hard drugs that addict you to the point of death. It’s meant to calm people down. And my post within itself serves as a reason why the government should not take MJ from us and stop spreading lies about it. Mj never hurt anyone and never destroyed anyone’s life, the govenment did a fine job of that with mindless prsecution of peacefull smokers and of invading people’s homes for growing a fucking naturally occuring plant that can be consumed with NO chemicall alteration. just like an apple from a tree, you pick the bud and smoke it, simple 100% nature at it’s finest.
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Sorry if that sounded hostile because that was not my intent. I just think that this argument needs to be less about the health risks of pot (and all drugs for that matter), and more about the screwed up notion that adults need the government to protect them from themselves. By even allowing the debat to turn into a question of health, we open the door to people willing to use lies as a scare tactic. The unconstitutionality of drug laws is damn near imposible to argue with.
Gregus, whatever dude. Whatever. My point was threre’s actually less of a physiological addiction (basically none) with pot and less withrdrawal systems than with caffeine. That’s all my first repsonse to your first post was trying to say. And it had nothing to do with trying to sound smart. Sorry if you misinterpreted it, and I misinterpreted your own subsequent response. Just seemed like you were set on picking a fight for no reason.
All drugs should be legalized, not just marijuana. It ought to be your choice as to what you put in your own body.
You must all be high. Marijuana isn’t as safe as you claim.
http://www.wctu.org/marijuana_-_safe_.html
With all the problems we have with cigarettes & alcohol, do you really want another drug legal?
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
You must all be high. Marijuana isn’t as safe as you claim.
http://www.wctu.org/marijuana_-_safe_.html
With all the problems we have with cigarettes & alcohol, do you really want another drug legal?[/quote]
I think you’re a little brain-washed. What I learned in my Drugs and Behavior class by disinterested but top scientists in the field seems more credible to me than sources with social agendas and reason to be biased. Namely that was, the addiction potential for marijuana is so low as to be nonexistent. Pyschologically, there can be addiction.
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable. The studies attempting to eliminate all confounds suggest the correlation is low. The biggest comfound in terms of investigating the link to cancer is that a huge percentage of those studied were also heavy smokers (cigarettes).
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
But this is just a coping mechanism and a crutch comparable to any non-physical addiction. There’s extremely little evidence of detrimental long term effects on cognition from moderate use. The same for social life. Heavy use is associated, but there are a million explanations for this. In terms of health, marijuana use has been shown to be detrimental to lung function, most heavily associated with emphysema. It’s link to cancer is quite questionable. [/quote]
Hmm, sounds like the crap the tabacco companies were trying to tell us 15-20 years ago. If you’re interested in being and remaining healthy, why would you inhale any kind of smoke & hold it in your lungs.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
You must all be high. Marijuana isn’t as safe as you claim.
http://www.wctu.org/marijuana_-_safe_.html
With all the problems we have with cigarettes & alcohol, do you really want another drug legal?[/quote]
reddog, imagine my surprise as I read your post and found out that you postet a link to the “woman?s christian temperance union” on Testosterone Nation…
As I was completely stoned as I stumbled over your post that was one of the most zen like experiences in my life…