[quote]oldcrabbybastard wrote:
It must have been that same shit that Smokey got from the Ese’s when he wound up in Deebo’s pigeon coop. (Friday)[/quote]
thanks for the story, nomorewar, but i am pretty sure this isn’t a thread to tell your bad stories in.
isn’t this supposed to be a weed appreciation thread?
last night i smoked while i was barbecuing nine steaks and 15 burgers. one of the best experiences ever.
[quote]oldcrabbybastard wrote:
It must have been that same shit that Smokey got from the Ese’s when he wound up in Deebo’s pigeon coop. (Friday)[/quote]
EXACTLY!!!
that was the obvious
and I am off to my cousins house to smoke right now because I dont have work to do today.and i seem to be out at the moment.
and later on tonight when its not 300 degrees outside were going to the lake and have a BBQ and smoke a little more.
I wrote this paper for a poli-sci class I had to take last summer…
“Defining America’s Demonization of Marijuana.”
The U.S. has been fighting an un-winnable war on Marijuana for a long time.
Countless man hours, not to mention vast resources of cash, have been spent trying to stem the tide of a substance that people clearly want to use. 32.9 % of Americans have experience with cannabis and 5.1 % have used in the last month. The U.S. Government has chosen your illicit substances for you, and those are alcohol and tobacco. Ironic, when you realize that deaths from cigarettes and alcohol far exceed deaths from marijuana. In fact, there has never been a reported case of anyone dying directly from marijuana use, while countless people have lost their lives to alcoholism, drunk driving accidents, emphysema and lung cancer, as well as other ailments caused by the use of tobacco and alcohol. (Washington, DC: HHS, August 2002, p. 109, Table H.1.)
Cannabis is a psychoactive product of the plant Cannabis Sativa. The herbal form consists of dried, mature inflorescence (its cluster of flowers) and subtending leaves of female plants. The major biologically active chemical compound in cannabis is tetrahydrocannabinol, commonly referred to as THC. Humans have been consuming cannabis since prehistory, although in the 20th century there was a rise in its use for recreational, religious or spiritual, and medicinal purposes. It is estimated that cannabis is now regularly used by four percent of the world’s adult population.
The total cost of the U.S. war on drugs exceeded 12 billion dollars in 2005. It is also estimated that the cost of incarcerating drug offenders averaged 30.1 billion yearly.
Couldn’t this money be better spent elsewhere? Realistically, all you are doing in thisinstance is creating a black market and even higher demand for the substance, while simultaneously costing the country billions of dollars, and for what? Drug use is still prevalent, and no matter how much money is spent, there are still huge amounts of marijuana making its way into the country every day. Rather than gift wrap a lucrative business for criminals, why not legalize and regulate the sale of marijuana, and reap the financial rewards of taxing it, rather than throwing away bucketfuls of taxpayer money on something that you’ll never be able to completely put an end to anyway?
You can also make the argument that the War on Drugs in the United States violates the implicit rights within the substantive due process doctrine, and that the drug laws achieve no reasonable state interest while arbitrarily restricting a person’s liberty under the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendment.
For comparison, let’s look at the Dutch model for marijuana legalization and personal use. The Netherlands follows a policy of separating the market for illicit drugs. Cannabis is primarily purchased through coffee shops, and they offer no possibilities for purchase of any other illicit drug. The Netherlands has achieved a separation of the soft and hard drug markets, the separation of the acceptable risk user and unacceptable risk user. (Abraham, Manja D., University of Amsterdam, Centre for Drug Research, Places of Drug Purchase in The Netherlands. Amsterdam: University of Amsterdam, September 1999, pp. 1-5.)
The drug policy of the Netherlands is based on two principles. Drug use is a public health matter, not a criminal one and that a distinction exists between hard drugs and soft drugs. It’s a pragmatic policy in which the government believes that if a problem proves to be unsolvable, it is better to try and control it than continue to enforce laws with mixed results. Coffee houses are allowed to sell marijuana (in various strains and types) to anyone over 18 years of age. The limit for personal use is 5 grams of hashish or marijuana per household and up to 5 cannabis plants per person for growing. (Wikipidea.org/Drug policy of the Netherlands).
Though it is sold openly, cannabis remains an illegal substance in the Netherlands and possession and production for personal use are still misdemeanors,punishable by
fine. A policy of non-enforcement, tolerance and allowance implemented by the government is in place regarding soft drugs, and an official set of guidelines tells public prosecutors under which circumstances offenders should not be prosecuted.
By comparison, it was reported that the U.S. War on Drugs results in the incarceration of one million Americans each year. Of the related drug arrests, about 225,000 are for simple possession of marijuana, the fourth most common cause of arrest in the United States. In the 1980s, while the number of arrests for all crimes was rising 28%, the number of arrests for drug offenses rose 126%. The United States has a higher proportion of its population incarcerated than any other country in the world for which reliable statistics are available, reaching a total of 2.2 million inmates in the U.S. in 2005. (Wikipedia.org/War on Drugs Cost).
So, does throwing its citizens in jail to do hard time for personal and private use of substances really do anything for our country? Does it prevent drug use from spreading, or really do anything to address the issue in a constructive manner? Clearly we can see that it does not, and in fact only causes tax payer money to be wasted
prosecuting other-wise law abiding American citizens. The fact that cigarettes kill countless people everyday, and that drunk driving is one of the worst afflictions we face today, none of this seems to matter to the government, while personal use of marijuana, a substance proven to be less harmful than tobacco, is demonized to the extent it is in this country. Not to mention that marijuana has powerful medicinal applications, including stimulating appetite in patients with wasting diseases and relief of nausea and headache in patients undergoing chemotherapy, the real crime here is only the ignorance and hypocrisy of our elected officials in their misguided crusade to paint cannabis in the worst possible light.
Another question remains: does legalization equate with increased use? Not really. To the Dutch, the easy availability of cannabis has eliminated much of its appeal.
Since 1976, this little country of 15.5-million has been the world’s biggest experiment in decriminalizing marijuana and its close cousin, hashish. The coffee shops reflect what the Dutch see as a fact of life: Most young people experiment with illegal substances. If you let them buy and use “soft” drugs in a regulated setting, you can keep them away from street dealers pushing highly addictive “hard” drugs like heroin. The approach appears to be working. According to the United Nations, 5.2 percent of Dutch 12 and older had used marijuana or hashish in the past year – less than half the 12.3 percent rate in the United States. (Martin, St. Petersburg Times, July 30, 2001.)
So in the end, it’s hard to get behind a policy that criminalizes a substance that has clear medicinal uses, and instead allows anyone over the age of 21 to go into any liquor store, on any corner in any city in America, buy a bottle of hard liquor, paying sales tax to the government in the process, and drink themselves to death tonight. The tobacco lobby in this country insures that the huge cash crop can continue to kill thousands while innocent citizens with terminal illnesses can be hauled into court and prosecuted for using a substance that helps them with pain management and makes dealing with their ailment easier, and brings them relief and comfort.
Of course, if marijuana was legalized in America, it would need to be tightly regulated and kept out of the possession of people under the age of 21. But we already do that with alcohol, and to a lesser extent cigarettes, so why not cannabis, particularly since it has medicinal purposes. The only other option is to continue to throw away billions of dollars in taxpayer money on a war that, in the end, is impossible to win. We should
adopt the Dutch model of de-criminalization for personal use, and regulate the issue instead of continuing to apply draconian laws and methods that quite clearly, do not work anyway.
*Works Cited*
St. Petersburg Times. Martin, Susan Taylor. U.S. vs. Them. Challenging America’s
War on Drugs. July 30, 2001.
Wikipedia.org. Drug Policy of the Netherlands.
Drug War Facts: International Policies and Statistics. Abraham, Manja D. University of Amsterdam, Center for Drug research. 2005.
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Nich wrote:
I had a response to this but I wont state the obvious
What is it, crack head?[/quote]
The obvious part is that the effects of smoking crack are even shorter than snorting coke. It lasts about 15-20 minutes. Plus, it’s a stimulant, not an hallucinogenic. Your “friend” obviously laced that pot with something stronger, like PCP.
Although I enjoy an occasional toke I have to bring up the South Park episode where the parents demonized pot and then later admitted that it was all propaganda and lies except for one truly negative attribute:
Pot makes you feel “OK” about sitting around, accomplishing nothing. I can’t deny that I often wonder where I might be in life right now had I chosen to “Just Say NO”…
Ah well, TOO LATE! Might as well fire up a chubby.
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
SeanT wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
Fuck That shit!! I’m never smoking weed again.
A couple weeks ago, I smoked weed and had the freak out,flip out, of a life time. It was so scary, I thought everybody wanted to kill me(dead serious) I stayed paranoid in my room for two days. 4TH of july was the worst, I thought we were being blasted by terrorist. I found out later that it was laced with crack(never done crack)and other shit.I punched
my friend in the face for not telling me.I’m not risk it, I’m never doing any drugs again. ever.
Wait, you say you will never smoke weed again because you thought crack was in their? Its uneconomical to lace weed with crack. I think you are mistaken and just a bitch when it comes to smoking. You were having a panic/anxiety attack, you need to learn how to clam down.
Well, my friend confirmed that he had indeed laced crack to it(he’s an idiot, me too for doing it) I had smoked many times prior to this incident and nothing ever happened. Does weed make
you stay up 24 hours? and work out for 4 hours at 3 in the morning? I really doubt it was only weed.
[/quote]
a crack cocaine high doesn’t last much longer than 15 minutes…
[quote]SeanT wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
SeanT wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
Fuck That shit!! I’m never smoking weed again.
A couple weeks ago, I smoked weed and had the freak out,flip out, of a life time. It was so scary, I thought everybody wanted to kill me(dead serious) I stayed paranoid in my room for two days. 4TH of july was the worst, I thought we were being blasted by terrorist. I found out later that it was laced with crack(never done crack)and other shit.I punched
my friend in the face for not telling me.I’m not risk it, I’m never doing any drugs again. ever.
Wait, you say you will never smoke weed again because you thought crack was in their? Its uneconomical to lace weed with crack. I think you are mistaken and just a bitch when it comes to smoking. You were having a panic/anxiety attack, you need to learn how to clam down.
Well, my friend confirmed that he had indeed laced crack to it(he’s an idiot, me too for doing it) I had smoked many times prior to this incident and nothing ever happened. Does weed make
you stay up 24 hours? and work out for 4 hours at 3 in the morning? I really doubt it was only weed.
a crack cocaine high doesn’t last much longer than 15 minutes…
[/quote]
well then it must have been something else. I don’t know detailed shit about drugs, I’m just stating what I experienced.
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Fuck That shit!! I’m never smoking weed again.
A couple weeks ago, I smoked weed and had the freak out,flip out, of a life time. It was so scary, I thought everybody wanted to kill me(dead serious) I stayed paranoid in my room for two days. 4TH of july was the worst, I thought we were being blasted by terrorist. I found out later that it was laced with crack(never done crack)and other shit.I punched
my friend in the face for not telling me.I’m not risk it, I’m never doing any drugs again. ever. [/quote]
You should of kick his ass good ,not just punched him in the face
We don’t care what you experienced, we’re talking about weed and ONLY weed.
[quote]adamhum wrote:
There are some people who can handle weed and not use it as a gateway to other things and there are some people who can’t.
Both of my brothers started with weed and both have gotten into other stuff. I have never smoked weed, but would like to sometimes because my life can get very stressful.
- Adam[/quote]
Try it. What I do is make sure I’m at home, already semi-relaxed and I fire up the vaporizer.
Smoke weed everyday
Seriously though, vaporizer is my favourite. Nothing else comes close.
I’m only posting because people think I smoke pot. LOL
Having long hair gives people that impression. I hate pot. Makes me itchy, paranoid, and hungry. Last time I smoked it was in the summer of '85.
I see too many idiot burnout teens around town doing nothing but smoking pot. Thank God my teen son won’t smoke it.
But I feel it should be legal for adult use only. God knows it’s FAR less dangerous than the pharmaceuticals we see advertised everywhere.
Weed is great… I smoked too much weed and it doesn’t do what it used to anymore…
I’m taking a 2 month break until my birthday and then getting a QP with a friend for $250., so $125 each. It’s straight from the grower is why it’s so cheap.
I know a lot of people that are really into weed and complete losers, but I don’t think that weed turns people into losers; it’s just that a lot of losers are drawn to weed and can finally find a “group” to be classified in without doing anything worthwhile.
Here’s a question for everybody. What is the most stoned you have EVER been on pot? What kind of pot was it?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m only posting because people think I smoke pot. LOL
Having long hair gives people that impression. I hate pot. Makes me itchy, paranoid, and hungry. Last time I smoked it was in the summer of '85.
I see too many idiot burnout teens around town doing nothing but smoking pot. Thank God my teen son won’t smoke it.
But I feel it should be legal for adult use only. God knows it’s FAR less dangerous than the pharmaceuticals we see advertised everywhere. [/quote]
That’s right.
Used responsibly, Marijuana can be an excellent tool for relaxation (and sex). If marijuana were made legal, I’d say a limit on the age one can start using would be VERY sensible.
On a semi-related note, I’m involved in a debate about pot on another website, and this poster seems to think the only way to use pot is to smoke it. I point out the other methods and she ignores me. It’s like talking to a brick wall.
Such is the common person I guess.
Ok, I know this is a marijuan thread and believe me, even if I don’t smoke it often, I am one who appreciates that herb very much. However, I was wondering. Am I the only mushroom lover here?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
On a semi-related note, I’m involved in a debate about pot on another website, and this poster seems to think the only way to use pot is to smoke it. I point out the other methods and she ignores me.[/quote]
Offer to bake her some brownies.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Here’s a question for everybody. What is the most stoned you have EVER been on pot? What kind of pot was it?[/quote]
Bud. Sticky fresh bud, and I don’t know how much. All I know is that me and my GF were just sitting there with stupid grins on our faces, watching Family Guy.
Oh man, that was freakin’ sweeeeeeet.
@entheogens
Like two months ago, I smoked a few bowls from this kid’s bong with two friends. It was alright. Then, we went to Ihop. Everything but the lights got zoned out and I could hear the buzzing of the lights sort of and they were really bright; everything else was nearly black and white.
You know Crazy Frog? You know that squeaky voice? Yea…
The salt shaker started talking… I’m not kidding… I remember what it said too…
“eat eat eat eat eat eat eat… food is good for you… eat eat eat FEEEEAAASSTTT FEEEAASSTTT!!!” Pretty deep stuff, eh? …lol
I’m just like whoa… what in the fuck
This was at like 3am. Then, the pancakes came and I was pleased. I had like a 20 minute conversation with the waitress then… or maybe it was only like 30 seconds?..
There have been lots of times, but that’s one that I remember vividly.
@entheogens
I’ve never tried shrooms, but I’d really like to. They’re not in season yet, but I’m going to try them when they are. I’m probably going to do them with a few close friends and spend the day at a park or something and then walk around and listen to music and whatnot.
I should go to the botanic gardens… lol