Marijuana: Class One Anabolic Supreme?

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[quote]drag0n252pi wrote:
So it is ok for our government to make addicts out of the populace? Think what that would be like, more lost work time lower production more injuries on the job. We did fight a war on drugs we fought a Vietnam. We could stop the flow of drugs a lot better if we pulled our aid from the producing countries and destroy their crops ourselves. But, I am not as niave as to believe that will happen. I also worked narcotics and homicide. Until we can fight this as a war and fight it as a threat to our national security then we will lose. As far as I am concerned dealers should be shot where they stand. John Kay was right God Damn the Pusherman.[/quote]

i totally disagree. people have been using mind altering drugs for thousands of years. you can’t stop it with stiff fines and long jail sentences. increased punishment isn’t the answer.

education is the answer.

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ass buster i’m with you 100%.

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agreed 100%. if the government really was acting on behalf of the best interests of the population, then drugs would be legalized and regulated by the government.

legalization is not the same as endorsement. and it’s not like marijuana use is going to increase by any significant amount due to legalization. people don’t determine their lifestyles based on what is or what is not legal.

oh, murder is legalized? i’m gonna go kill joe, now.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
mindeffer01 wrote:
Do you know people in your profession who get smoked up before a surgery? How about a few beers, maybee a shot of phentanyl or ketocet? If they do, do you want to work with them? Go ahead, let a hygenist mellow out a little with a few tokes and let her have at it.
After all, the stuff should be legal, Right?

I like the argument you just made…because it implies that you think someone would smoke weed differently than someone would drink alcohol. Anyone retarded enough to get drunk before a surgery would also be retarded enough to get high before a surgery. Since one is legal, chances are there are many who drink alcohol before complicated tasks. You just haven’t been publicly exposed to them.

In other words, why do you think someone who wouldn’t get drunk before surgery would suddenly think it was alright to get high before surgery? Your logic seems askew.[/quote]

Right. Making marijuana legal would not make it more likely for people to use it an inappropriate time. Those that would use now at stupid times would do the same thing if it was legal. Those who wouldn’t, wouldn’t. Maybe someone will say legalization will mean greater access. But would that really make a difference for this particular aspect. I really don’t think so. It’s not hard to get pot.

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[quote]hueyOT wrote:
agreed 100%. if the government really was acting on behalf of the best interests of the population, then drugs would be legalized and regulated by the government.

legalization is not the same as endorsement. and it’s not like marijuana use is going to increase by any significant amount due to legalization. people don’t determine their lifestyles based on what is or what is not legal.

oh, murder is legalized? i’m gonna go kill joe, now.[/quote]

I don’t agree. I think marijuana should be legalized. I don’t feel the same for other drugs. People don’t overdose and become physically dependent on marijuana. And it’s fairly easy to get. Not so much for something like heroin. Obviously, anything can be gotten if you travel in certain circles. But if all drugs were legal, I definitely think there would be more people who would try drugs that lead to chemical dependency and where one can OD than is currently the case.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
agreed 100%. if the government really was acting on behalf of the best interests of the population, then drugs would be legalized and regulated by the government.

legalization is not the same as endorsement. and it’s not like marijuana use is going to increase by any significant amount due to legalization. people don’t determine their lifestyles based on what is or what is not legal.

oh, murder is legalized? i’m gonna go kill joe, now.

I don’t agree. I think marijuana should be legalized. I don’t feel the same for other drugs. People don’t overdose and become physically dependent on marijuana. And it’s fairly easy to get. Not so much for something like heroin. Obviously, anything can be gotten if you travel in certain circles. But if all drugs were legal, I definitely think there would be more people who would try drugs that lead to chemical dependency and where one can OD than is currently the case.
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ok let’s take a step back.

i’m sure we can both agree that drug addiction is a social problem that hurts us all. obvioiusly much less so with marijuana, but with other drugs such as cocaine, heroin, and alcohol, drug dependence is a social problem.

so we need to ask ourselves, what is the best way to deal with this problem? is ‘tough’ law enforcement the way to deal with it? stiff penalties? long prison sentences? are these really the best methods we have to deal with current addicts and prevent future addictions?

i think lessons can be learned from looking at other countries and their legal positions regarding steroids. i bet the US has a higher per capita number of drug addicts <with cocaine, heroin, other hard drugs> than do many european nations with lighter legal stnadings on these drugs, their possession and their use.

education is key. not punishment. putting an addict in jail doesn’t really help him/her overcome the addction. they need help, not punishment.

and it’s tough to prove that drug use will go up with legalization. just because heroin is legal doesn’t mean i’m gonna go shoot up.

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Umm… I havn’t read through all this crap, but in places where pot is legal to purchase (Amsterdam), there is stilla black market to pick up drugs. Since you can buy them on the street from any dipshit.

Not to mention the pot you can buy from shops over there is often times crap. People from the coffee shops will keef (not sure of the exact term, but running it through a box to take the crystals off) their junk and then sell it. Theres really not a whole lot you can do about it either.

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Hello all. This is my first post and I thought I’d give my anectodal evidence regarding this topic. I’m a bodybuilder who has been training off and on for years. Life seems to get in the way of serious bodybuilding though I did manage to compete once about ten years ago. I’m in a place now where I am once again training to compete. I’ve also been a regular user of marijuana for more years than I’ve been a bodybuilder.

I keep a log of my workouts and can tell you that my best workouts usually occur if I smoke immediately before the workout. My strength and endurance are greater, focus is better, and the pump is more intense.

Also, I’ve noticed that shortly after smoking, I start getting pumped up, even if I’m not working out. I don’t know if this is a conditioned response or not, since I often workout after smoking, my body may consider this a signal that a workout session is coming. Regardless, after I get high is the perfect time to practice posing.

Also, after 35 years of using, including a few years when I also smoked tobacco, a recent chest MRI found me to be normal. Lung capacity and O2 uptake were normal as well. A cardiologist also performed a stress test and found me to be above normal for my age.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It isn’t a depressant. Depressants are drugs like barbituates or tranquilizers. Cannibus can actually be categorized as a relaxant, an appetite stimulant and a euphoric agent. They are not considered the same or interchangeable. There is no chemical dependency, however, someone using it for the purpose of relaxation would no doubt experience anything that comes from the lack of it…like insomnia, loss of appetite or anxiety. Most would stem from a mental dependence. [/quote]

Exactly, people can become mentally dependent on many things, TV, sex, Internet, etc. It’s nice to see someone in the medical profession talk about this! Thanks Prof.

As for cancer risk, there are no known cases of cannabis-only smokers who have cancer. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but given the number of smokers, we would see some cases if cannabis had the same carcinogenic properties as cigarettes. There have been studies in Spain and the U.S. that showed cannabinoids injected into tumors shrank them.

Medical use, certainly. How many of you know that the U.S. government sends marijuana to 7 people every month? They got into a medical program in the 80’s. Then they shut it down. But if the government believed that it has no medical uses (as they claim) why are they still sending 30 joints a month to these people?

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Marijuana is another case of politics screwing up science.

No question it should be legal for medical use.

It should probably be legalized for recreational use too. If it is I believe it should be controlled and taxed like tobacco and alcohol.

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When it comes to legalizing it, I don?t care if weed is good or bad for me. I also do not care if it is addictive or not or if it is so testosterone wrecking that I?m starting to lactate.

What I do care about is a goverment running amok, not only telling me I cannot do with my own body whatever the hell I want but also taking away my hard earned money to pay people to make sure I behave.

This is the same goverment that makes more than 70 % off of all nicotine and alcohol deals in Austria. Alcohol and nicotine related deaths in Austria? About 15000-20000 each year. Weed: Zero.

These hypocritical, with-a-statistical- probability-of-8 %-an-alcohol-problem having-bastards can all kiss me where the sun is not likely to shine in the near future. That includes everyone in law enforcement that covers that specific area.

My two cents.