Had these two posts a thousand times here
Marijuana warning posts in the pharma section. Oh, the irony.
I donāt know what the irony here is, people here routinely warn other people about all kinds of drugs. Yesterday I warned someone about lithium. The Pharma section is for discussion about drugs, warnings and prevention included.
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I suppose the irony stems from the mere fact anabolic steroids are a hell of a lot more dangerous than cannabis in terms of the affect the drugs have on physical health/wellbeing in both an acute and chronic context.
In terms of mental health/wellbeing I suppose itās debatable and has to be factored in on a person by person basis. Is the chronic use of cannabis more detrimental to mental health/wellbeing comparative to a run of low dose testosterone + primobolan? Probablyā¦ Is it worse than tren? No fucking wayā¦
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Sure everyone had heard of weed rage. I mean all healthy potheads have to take routine blood tests to monitor things like liver function & estrogen imbalances. Nuts shrivel pretty hard on weed too. Lots of people shooting weed in work bathrooms because they wonāt tell their wivesā¦
Yes, itās ironic that with all the unhealthy drug use being displayed in this forum that there would be a thread dedicated to cannabis use & itās dangers. Of course the guy shooting 80mg/wk isnāt likely doing much damage, but cannabis has been used safely at home without doctors supervision for thousands of years. Many doctors still donāt know what they are doing with testosterone.
How about a thread on alcohol or cigarettes or soda or partially hydrogenated soy oil? This one feels like a few steroid users warning about cannabis in order to make themselves feel better about their own drugs of choice.
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No, but I have seen acute psychosis/schitzy reactions, particularly within those who had a history of childhood abuse and/or predispositions. Absurd shit like people talking to people who arenāt there, going batshit crazy etc. This is absolutely the exception to the norm as Iāve been around cannabis (literally) hundreds of times yet Iāve only seen this two or three times (comparative to alcohol, wherein anecdotally Iāve noted violence and delinquent behaviour is commonly associated with binge drinking. Iāve also noted problematic drinking to be far more common amongst my demographic that is young adults as opposed to problematic use of cannabis).
Actually Iāve created a war on drugs thread in the politics section wherein I go off regarding how unhealthy yet societally accepted alcoholic beverages are. The kids I live with get hammered 3-4x+/wkā¦Itās fucking ridiculous as to how accepted this is. I feel happy to be attending college slightly late as Iāve ābeen there, done thatā and as a result have the ability to be more focused on my studies yet at the same time Iām able to let loose occasionally in a timely and controlled manner.
Are you telling me cigarettes are bad for you? Mike Penis states tobacco doesnāt kill.
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Word up. This canāt be stressed enough with regard to cannabis. I think that drug strain cannabis (THC:CBD > ~20:1) is often the first ādrug/medicineā that many mentally āillā find. For many, itās a blessing. For some, itās bad medicine for sure. Cannabis as medicine started for me at 16 & Iām 42 now. I began providing my own medicine ~27. Bonus - finding gardening has also proved to be great therapy for me.
I tried medicating with alcohol too.
20 y/o - Drank like a kid
21 y/o - Drank like a college kid
22-24 - Was a damn drunk.
CBD is also a game changer for those who get anxiety and panic attacks from drug strain cannabis. Smoke CBD 15 min before THC or mix them. Makes chemdog great again lol
I did too, then realised such an approach was a slippery slope and very quickly snapped out of it. Also āexperimentedā a little bit around my late teenage years out of sheer curiosity just to see what it was all about. At this point Iām of the opinion itās more/less all bad news. Occasionally letting your hair down isnāt the end of the world, but as a society we would be better off without recreational drugs.
That being said Iām FAR more concerned with what drives people to abuse these substances as opposed to the mere existence of them. Socioeconomic factors, mental illness (and lack of efficacious treatment), social isolation and more concern me more than the existence of alcohol, MDMA, anabolic steroids, ketamine and whatnot (in a recreational context, not medicinal). It appears the majority of those who take drugs are āhighlyā functioning users of which use is purely recreational just as the majority of those who use anabolic steroids arenāt ticking timebombs ready to fly into a violent rage at the drop of a hat. From what Iāve been able to ascertain through anecdote and literature; happy, productive members of society generally donāt become drug addicts. No one gets up one day and thinks āwell, Iām going to try crack todayā or āwell, I think Iāll drink a bottle of whisky alone in my room tonightā. Thereās typically a cascade of precipitating events that leads one to engaging in such behaviour.
Cannabis in terms of medicinal cannabis can be a godsend for many, Iām not all that well versed on ādifferent strainsā and whatnot. I use it occasionally because itās fun and appears to legitimately help with pain (itās better than taking opiatesā¦ I guessā¦ which I have a prescription for)
I donāt know why you are getting triggered. Cannabis is one of many unhealthy drugs and as such sometimes gets discussed here. Thereās like one thread on cannabis in a thousand on here. People like unreal and many others for example very often discourage steroid use, nobody is justifying their use with saying cannabis is bad. Doesnāt even make sense.
I think OP has a point in that cannabis can be used medicinally. For those with PTSD, certain forms of intractable anxiety, certain forms of epilepsy, spasticity associated with MS etc the devils lettuce can be a godsend.
Triggered or expressing my opinion civilly on a public forum?
Iām sorry if my opinion differs from yours. I do not find cannabis to be an inherently unhealthy drug. People can and do abuse it. The harm in abusing cannabis is generally minimal compared to other drugs, especially those that will grow your heart or prostate abnormally if abused.
I meanā¦ if people abuse it, this would indicate the drug has the potential to be unhealthy no?
I know a few kids who for whatever reason used pot as a crutch growing up. Some graduated to smoking very, very heavily (like seven grams per day). The demeanour within those specified changed profoundly. A lack of motivation was present, they became rather unreliable. The pinnacle of the stereotypical pothead.
On the other hand I happen to know a few highly functioning stoners who have made quite a lot of money (who started smoking heavily at a young age). Though this is the exception to the norm, generally speaking cannabis (particularly smoking cannabis) isnāt healthy.
Youāll never be able to convince me inhaling combusted, dried planet matter is healthy. Iām not a rube/square, but I can link literature to indicate cannabis isnāt āhealthyā just as KFC chicken wings and soda arenāt healthy.
Within a medicinal context, the benefits associated with cannabis outweigh the risks. In terms of overall harm, cannabis is one of the āmilder drugsā. There is a drug harm scale that I agree with (coupled with a decent paper ranking based on societal + individualistic harm and penchant for inducing physical/psychological dependence) Iāll link it now
Inherent vs potential
I donāt agree with all of these. I believe AAS should be higher than cannabis, as should GHB (overdose risk if taken irresponsibly). MDMA ought to be higher up due to the relatively common presence of dangerous adulterants.
Should be noted, further using rec drugs (PARTICULARLY STIMULANTS) on AAS equates to cumulative risk, particularly the additive pro-arrhythmiac effect; very unlikely youāll develop cardiomyopathy in one night. Itās like a 1+1=3 scenario.
ācannabisā is a poor way to categorize use IMO.
Edibles cause the vast majority of overdoses & bad reactions (psychotic events). There are hyper responders to edibles - ie: Psychotic events from less than 1/10 of a "medical gradeā cookie. Conversely ~5-10% of people donāt get any effect from edibles till the dose is huge too. Mostly women non-responders IME.
Edit - Also the value of CBD and thc together has to be seen to be believed. Drug strain cannabis has had all of the cbd bred out of it. If you havenāt, @unreal24278 check out the thc & cbd methods of action within human endocannabinoid system
With edibles from what I remember the metabolite of tetrahydrocannabidiol (11 hydroxy tetrahydracannabidiol) is associated with the strong psychoactive effects incurred from edibles. Enterohepatic metabolism = more than one peak too.
Quite frankly, cannabis turns me into this guy
and leaves me feeling foggy for like 12 hours after the psychoactive effects have worn off. For this reason (FOR ME) Iād never be able to live out a productive lifestyle if I was using it frequently.
Iāve tried both (Iāve been to AmStErDaM and Canada)
The therapeutic use of AAS would also indicate that they are only potentially harmful as TRT has nearly no side effects. Dosis facit venenum. As always.
Triggered because of the way you opened up the discussion. I still donāt know whatās wrong with a thread where people discuss and also discourage cannabis use. But actually I donāt care, all has been said.
Honestly Iām relatively indifferent if someone decides to try it. Its better people donāt use but itād be a hell of a lot better if those within my dorm smoked once or twice per week (also frequent use) as opposed to consuming fifteen standard drinks 3-4x+ per week (this isnāt an exaggeration).
Youād never be able to convince me cannabis use is more detrimental to health and wellbeing as compared to this pattern of frequent binge drinking.
Theyāre both negatives, but cannabis in my opinion would be the better of two evils. No fights, risky hookups, heinously degenerate and dumbass behaviour or puking in the hallways etc.
Our drinking culture is abhorrent and I can almost guarantee some of these kids will go on to develop/already have a physical dependence on alcohol.
What if I had new evidence that showed cannabis was worse than binge drinking in regards to long term health?
Not saying I have it (evidence), but this seems to be a strange position to take (nothing will change my mind).
The problem with the hardcore pro-cannabis crowd is that at some point they got a little too clever by half. Pot went from counterculture recreation to wider culture recreation to āhey this can be medicinalā over the years. Thatās all fine. But then they went overboard and started claiming that cannabis can treat or cure every single ailment that exists. Mostly it was dudes who liked to get high not wanting to admit that they liked getting high but instead attempting to intellectualize their hobby. Weāve now kind of settled on the more realistic ground where we know cannabis is helpful in some medical cases, but mostly itās just another way to unwind. Thatās probably the appropriate space to be in. Open minded about future clinical studies, yes, but not selling it as a panacea. And the snobbery in pot is pretty much the same level of insufferable as craft beer or wine, so itās truly made it to the mainstream.
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