looking well as always-
love the physics lesson too, I needed to read it twice.
think I got some of it sigh
If the video shows up, its the last two jerks from today.
John, they are in Savannah, Georgia this year. Don’t know if they will be streamed or not.
Alexus, you are welcome. Rippetoe is good on how to get strong, but doesn’t seem to know or understand much about o-lifting.
Thanks Kevin. I left most of the physics out so that it wouldn’t get too boring.
Training 3/16/2011
Knee Paused Snatches: 50x3, 60x3, 65x3, 70x3 Slight hamstring tweakiness on the last rep, but was not holding anything back.
5/3/1 C2 W2 Militaries
52x3
56x3
59x7
65x1, 70x1, (52x5)3
Pullups: BWx9,7,7
Training 3/17/2011
Snatch: 50x2, 60x2, 65x1, 70x1, 75x1, 85x1, 87x0,1, 89x0,1, 91x0,1, 93x0, 94x0 (caught it, but lost it behind), 95x0,0. Hammie feeling marginally better than on Monday’s snatches.
Training 3/18/2011
Clean & Jerk: 60x2, 70x2, 80x1, 85x1, 90x1, 95x1, 100x1, 102x1, 104x1, 106x1, 108x0 (missed jerk, leaned right and misplaced right foot to the left), 110x1 this one was very solid. Bar came back slightly from the beginning of the pull, caught it at almost power clean height, successfully readjusted hands outwards at the end of the recovery, got bar moving backwards and although my right foot still lingered, did not move body back excessively. For improvement I would like to get the bar moving back more during the pull, and get my right foot moving earlier on the jerk. Maybe keep the left leg more bent and heel higher in catching the jerk.
Looking great.
I noticed the bar coming off the floor a bit crooked, (left end higher) is that because you’re favouring your injured leg still?
When does your snow normally go btw?
Finally getting myself some bumper plates so I can have a proper go at this weighlifting lark.
Aw…I LIKE the physics.
Thanks Brett. I didn’t notice the uneven bar until you pointed it out. I don’t think I am favoring the left side in the pulls, and you will notice that the second clean was more even. I’m beginning to think I misloaded the bar on that 108. Snow is usually gone by late April-early May, at least at the places near the house (the hill is about the same elevation as the house, but a little less exposed) Should be able to run the thing in 4-6 weeks. Can’t wait to see what you do with the bumper plates.
Tony, me too.
I really like the physics, too. Just so long as you don’t expect me to manipulate numbers / solve equations. I think it is pretty cool conceptually.
Wouldn’t keeping the bar close to you ALL the way up have a shorter lever arm than gradually bringing the bar towards you on the way up? As such I’m wondering whether bringing it close to you from the floor is more about having a smooth trajectory as the bar gains momentum for the explosion. But I’m thinking about bar path, again.
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I really like the physics, too. Just so long as you don’t expect me to manipulate numbers / solve equations. I think it is pretty cool conceptually.
Wouldn’t keeping the bar close to you ALL the way up have a shorter lever arm than gradually bringing the bar towards you on the way up? As such I’m wondering whether bringing it close to you from the floor is more about having a smooth trajectory as the bar gains momentum for the explosion. But I’m thinking about bar path, again.
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I think you have to consider the whole lifter+bar system as a spring with a weight on top rather than as a sling catapult…what’s the word? Trebuchet. The weight has to be as much along the axis of the reaction force as possible.
I be makin’ up terms. Watch for my copyrights.
I never thought about it like that. Used to thinking about pull / catch, too. Spring. I like that. Not that I know anything much about springs…
I guess that is why it is hard work to hold the start position. Because you are kind of coiling up. Just started pulling from the floor again and trying (though perhaps not properly succeeding) to set my hips up lower. Hamstrings are giving me a good case of DOMS down low behind my knee. Guess it is because of that.
The wearing of shirts has deeply disappointed me.
[quote]alexus wrote:
I really like the physics, too. Just so long as you don’t expect me to manipulate numbers / solve equations. I think it is pretty cool conceptually.
Wouldn’t keeping the bar close to you ALL the way up have a shorter lever arm than gradually bringing the bar towards you on the way up? As such I’m wondering whether bringing it close to you from the floor is more about having a smooth trajectory as the bar gains momentum for the explosion. But I’m thinking about bar path, again.
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Agreed, that’s kinda the point, keeping it close all the way up. I don’t know about anyone else, but I can’t do any horizontal stuff with the bar, at least in the first pull, except gradually. Small forces that accumulate over time.
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
I really like the physics, too. Just so long as you don’t expect me to manipulate numbers / solve equations. I think it is pretty cool conceptually.
Wouldn’t keeping the bar close to you ALL the way up have a shorter lever arm than gradually bringing the bar towards you on the way up? As such I’m wondering whether bringing it close to you from the floor is more about having a smooth trajectory as the bar gains momentum for the explosion. But I’m thinking about bar path, again.
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I think you have to consider the whole lifter+bar system as a spring with a weight on top rather than as a sling catapult…what’s the word? Trebuchet. The weight has to be as much along the axis of the reaction force as possible.
I be makin’ up terms. Watch for my copyrights.
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I don’t quite get this spring analogy. The loading of the hamstrings as the bar comes to the knees and the release of that tension as the hips release forward after the knees feels much more like the trebuchet than a coiled spring. In the jerk, coiled spring makes sense.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
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Sorry about that. From what I’ve been led to believe, its for the good of keyboards everywhere.
The 90kg snatch. Still not getting it back very well initially.
Training 3/21/2011
Snatch: 50x2, 60x2, 65x1, 70x1, 75x1, 80x1, 82x1, 84x0,1, 86x1, 88x1, 90x1, 92x1, 94x0, 96x0,0, 97x0,1
Wasn’t being patient on the pulls, and not trusting my hamstring to take the stress. all the misses were high enough but out front. Finally waited long enough on the last 97, It went up easily. Room to squeeze under a couple kilos more. Damn camera was acting up, all the lifts after 90kg were not captured.
5/3/1 C2 W3 Bench:
65x5
74x3
83x6
90x1, 95x1, (70x5)3
Pendlay Rows, (70x5)3
RDLs 70x10
Your lifting is really inspiring Carl.
Carl, have you seen the “185 Snatch at Age 51” thread in the OL forum? Charles Staley (known for Escalating Density Training, gets paid $$ for seminars, etc.) has nothing on you! Told you you (and Harry) were the man, didn’t I? 
Oh, almost forgot…genuflects…
Thanks Joe. Glad to see you survived your latest battle.
Thanks for pointing that out to me punnyguy. Glad I don’t have the knee issues he does. He’s doing pretty good, last time I looked a few years ago, he was only snatching mid 70s. Encouraging to see yet another old guy improving in his lifts.
On that vid… If you pulled the bar back towards you more from the floor it looked like you would have taken your kneecaps off. I’m still trying to figure my start position and the proper trajectory. I’ve fairly recently started with the bar further forwards in front of me (tips of toes just peeking out) rather than over my midfoot.
If it is that far in front of me then (I think) it is possible for me to get it to move gradually back towards me from the floor until the explosion. If I start with it over my midfoot then (keeping my back angle constant) I don’t think it it possible for me to start moving it back from the floor without taking my kneecaps off.
Starting with the bar just behind my toes makes it hard for me to get the proper back angle and have my shoulders over (in front of) the bar, though. Not sure that is possible. Trying to get my shoulders over the bar makes my hips pop up and my back angle flatter. You said something before that made me think that you aiming to have your shoulders in a vertical line over the bar once your back is set rather than in front of them (Kono style), though. Guess that would be more in line with keeping the bar close. Then the getting the bar to move back from the floor idea would be keeping it as close as possible given that the knees are in the bloody way.
I’m about a size 7 in chucks if that helps. heh.
I’ll take a vid of my set-up at some point.
Hope your hamstring is trustworthy and you get to trust it soon.
Actually, maybe that is it. Guess if the butt moves back while the back angle is constant then the knees will be moving out the way of the bar. That would require trustworthy hamstrings. I clearly need to play with positions some more…
You are right alexus, I don’t get my knees out of the way very well. My butt should go back more and shins should be vertical when the bar passes my knees. This does put a good stretch on the hamstrings when done right.
I’ve played around with initial bar location too. What happens with me is that if I put it too far in either direction, when I get set, the bar just rolls to a fixed location before it leaves the platform. I try to start with my shoulders directly over the bar, then push the bar backwards with my arms as it leaves the platform.
Above the knees, I continue the backwards pressure with my arms, thinking to push the bar back up my thighs to my hip crease. The longer I can stay with this phase, the better the outcome of the lift. When I talk about not being patient enough, what I mean is that I am cutting this phase short.
Training 3/22/2011
Clean & Jerk: 60x2, 70x2, 80x1, 85x1, 90x1, 95x1, 100x1, 102x1, 104x1, 106x1, 108x1, 110x1, 112x1
Still have to slow down just a little when the bar passes the knees. I’m not sure that its hurting the lifts any. Jerks pretty solid, but need more consistent foot placement.
5/3/1 C1 W3 Squats:
90x5
102x3
114x3
Have to hit the bottom real soft, or else the hamstring screams. Other than that, no restrictions.
Front Squats: (96x3)3
RDLs: 70x10