Manny Ramirez Suspended

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[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:

Needless to say he could have gotten ED through years of AAS use, as well.

Your point? Regardless of what caused it, he has it and tried to get it fixed. This shouldn’t even be public information. While many people are rushing to find dirt on every celebrity, the ones really suffering in the end will be every guy who hits middle age yet doesn’t want to lay down and die because of it.

It may not be an issue to the average 20 year old…but the damage will be done and it will take longer than a few years to correct it. Things like this take GENERATIONS to fix because we have to wait for the stupid people to die.

Unfortunately, by then, we’ll all be dead too.

Look, coming out and saying that you suffer ED is an embarrassment, regardless of cause. It wasn’t my intention to imply otherwise, just to indicate that I don’t automatically feel that Manny is being victimized. And yes, hopefully it doesn’t set HRT back a few decades in the US.

It seems highly, highly improbable to me that this was a simple accident. There are mechanisms in place for players to readily check the status of meds. In the aftermath of the JC Romero suspension, the drug check system was much discussed. In spite of Manny’s reputation for marching to his own drummer, I think he’s pretty intelligent. I also find it hard to believe Manny when he claims that the doctor told him that it was “OK” to use hCG.

I’m not anti-AAS, anti-PED, but the league has rules in place (thanks largely to the Congressional witch hunt), and it has a therapeutic use exception program, through this problem might have been avoided. He bears responsibility for this situation, imo.

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If all they are testing for is hormone levels (as someone mentioned above his testosterone was high which prompted the probe) you are saying there are specific regulations that allow higher testosterone due to erectile dysfunction treatment? I find that hard to believe. Do you have access to this in writing showing this would have been allowed? This is NOTHING like treating ADD.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:

Needless to say he could have gotten ED through years of AAS use, as well.

Your point? Regardless of what caused it, he has it and tried to get it fixed. This shouldn’t even be public information. While many people are rushing to find dirt on every celebrity, the ones really suffering in the end will be every guy who hits middle age yet doesn’t want to lay down and die because of it.

It may not be an issue to the average 20 year old…but the damage will be done and it will take longer than a few years to correct it. Things like this take GENERATIONS to fix because we have to wait for the stupid people to die.

Unfortunately, by then, we’ll all be dead too.

Look, coming out and saying that you suffer ED is an embarrassment, regardless of cause. It wasn’t my intention to imply otherwise, just to indicate that I don’t automatically feel that Manny is being victimized. And yes, hopefully it doesn’t set HRT back a few decades in the US.

It seems highly, highly improbable to me that this was a simple accident. There are mechanisms in place for players to readily check the status of meds. In the aftermath of the JC Romero suspension, the drug check system was much discussed. In spite of Manny’s reputation for marching to his own drummer, I think he’s pretty intelligent. I also find it hard to believe Manny when he claims that the doctor told him that it was “OK” to use hCG.

I’m not anti-AAS, anti-PED, but the league has rules in place (thanks largely to the Congressional witch hunt), and it has a therapeutic use exception program, through this problem might have been avoided. He bears responsibility for this situation, imo.

If all they are testing for is hormone levels (as someone mentioned above his testosterone was high which prompted the probe) you are saying there are specific regulations that allow higher testosterone due to erectile dysfunction treatment? I find that hard to believe. Do you have access to this in writing showing this would have been allowed? This is NOTHING like treating ADD.[/quote]

Do you not agree that a man with low testosterone levels should not be allowed to go on TRT and play Major League Baseball? Since there is no standard level of “normal” T levels no one can say if a person’s levels are too high. If an endocrinologist feels his/her patient with T level of 150 will be best suited with T levels in the 700-800 range there is really nothing of value MLB can say to disprove the doctor’s opinion. Surely that will have a performance enhancing effect.

I understand this doesn’t directly apply to erectile dysfunction. But MLB did not disclose how high his T levels actually were. Nor do we know what MLB considers “high levels”; since there no established single number that is considered normal.

The point I am attempting to make is that the name of the condition should not affect the judgement made with regards to a doctor’s decision on the appropriate treatment. And that MLB needs to view each case individually, not just “you have too much T, so you get a suspension.”

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:

Needless to say he could have gotten ED through years of AAS use, as well.

Your point? Regardless of what caused it, he has it and tried to get it fixed. This shouldn’t even be public information. While many people are rushing to find dirt on every celebrity, the ones really suffering in the end will be every guy who hits middle age yet doesn’t want to lay down and die because of it.

It may not be an issue to the average 20 year old…but the damage will be done and it will take longer than a few years to correct it. Things like this take GENERATIONS to fix because we have to wait for the stupid people to die.

Unfortunately, by then, we’ll all be dead too.

Look, coming out and saying that you suffer ED is an embarrassment, regardless of cause. It wasn’t my intention to imply otherwise, just to indicate that I don’t automatically feel that Manny is being victimized. And yes, hopefully it doesn’t set HRT back a few decades in the US.

It seems highly, highly improbable to me that this was a simple accident. There are mechanisms in place for players to readily check the status of meds. In the aftermath of the JC Romero suspension, the drug check system was much discussed. In spite of Manny’s reputation for marching to his own drummer, I think he’s pretty intelligent. I also find it hard to believe Manny when he claims that the doctor told him that it was “OK” to use hCG.

I’m not anti-AAS, anti-PED, but the league has rules in place (thanks largely to the Congressional witch hunt), and it has a therapeutic use exception program, through this problem might have been avoided. He bears responsibility for this situation, imo.

If all they are testing for is hormone levels (as someone mentioned above his testosterone was high which prompted the probe) you are saying there are specific regulations that allow higher testosterone due to erectile dysfunction treatment? I find that hard to believe. Do you have access to this in writing showing this would have been allowed? This is NOTHING like treating ADD.

Do you not agree that a man with low testosterone levels should not be allowed to go on TRT and play Major League Baseball? Since there is no standard level of “normal” T levels no one can say if a person’s levels are too high. If an endocrinologist feels his/her patient with T level of 150 will be best suited with T levels in the 700-800 range there is really nothing of value MLB can say to disprove the doctor’s opinion. Surely that will have a performance enhancing effect.

I understand this doesn’t directly apply to erectile dysfunction. But MLB did not disclose how high his T levels actually were. Nor do we know what MLB considers “high levels”; since there no established single number that is considered normal.

The point I am attempting to make is that the name of the condition should not affect the judgement made with regards to a doctor’s decision on the appropriate treatment. And that MLB needs to view each case individually, not just “you have too much T, so you get a suspension.”
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Yeah, but something like that could only happen in a world where they DON’T take all of the power away from the doctor and place it in the hands of media led idiots who jump to “save the children” whenever hot button topics surface.

If they gave the power back to the doctor, there would be no need for the criminal association they have made with the use of these hormones to begin with. They have currently classified them along with drugs like cocaine.

This current media witch hunt is only causing less and less docs to ever prescribe these hormones even for those who truly need them to function normally.

It means that little soccer moms and fat old congressmen have more say so in how your penis works than you and your doctor. Once again…thanks, baseball.

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[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:

Needless to say he could have gotten ED through years of AAS use, as well.

Your point? Regardless of what caused it, he has it and tried to get it fixed. This shouldn’t even be public information. While many people are rushing to find dirt on every celebrity, the ones really suffering in the end will be every guy who hits middle age yet doesn’t want to lay down and die because of it.

It may not be an issue to the average 20 year old…but the damage will be done and it will take longer than a few years to correct it. Things like this take GENERATIONS to fix because we have to wait for the stupid people to die.

Unfortunately, by then, we’ll all be dead too.

Look, coming out and saying that you suffer ED is an embarrassment, regardless of cause. It wasn’t my intention to imply otherwise, just to indicate that I don’t automatically feel that Manny is being victimized. And yes, hopefully it doesn’t set HRT back a few decades in the US.

It seems highly, highly improbable to me that this was a simple accident. There are mechanisms in place for players to readily check the status of meds. In the aftermath of the JC Romero suspension, the drug check system was much discussed. In spite of Manny’s reputation for marching to his own drummer, I think he’s pretty intelligent. I also find it hard to believe Manny when he claims that the doctor told him that it was “OK” to use hCG.

I’m not anti-AAS, anti-PED, but the league has rules in place (thanks largely to the Congressional witch hunt), and it has a therapeutic use exception program, through this problem might have been avoided. He bears responsibility for this situation, imo.
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Why would it be so " hard to believe " ? Of course he thought it would be “OK” …he wouldn’t have done it otherwise.
It’s pretty easy to verify weather he had a prescription or not.
Manny is intelligent but I hardly think he sits up nights reading steroid forums or even the MLB drug policies. I think he just trusted his doctor and didn’t bother…yeah yeah I know but the problem is every dumb-ass in this whole country who can’t be bothered to read the terms of their own mortgage is now saying shit like " well for 25 mil he knows exactly what he’s taking… " whatever… Manny’s a guy who had 12 un-cashed paychecks crammed into his glovebox and didn’t even know where they were…

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If the report of ED is true, then it is a huge embarrassment for Manny and baseball should be ashamed for taking this story to the news right away.

But if he has a prescription for these drugs to treat ED, couldn’t Manny have just produced a prescription or other documentation to MLB? If that happened chances are that this would have worked out better and no suspension.

Why did Manny not simply produce the prescription from his doctor to MLB?

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As for the possibility of ED is concerned… he could have taken Cialis or Viagra which are sponsors of MLB and aren’t banned substances. This makes me think ED is not the case… unless he is more of an idiot than I already thought he was.

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[quote]dirtbag wrote:
If he is being completely honest. Which I doubt. He needs to sue his dr for fucking up his career. 25 million dollars is lots of money and now he will only get 7 million. Although I still don’t feel bad for anyone making that kind of money. And we safely assume he was on a cycle. I suspect the Dr story is a cover. These guys know what they can and can’t take specially if 25 million is on the line.[/quote]

Wrong he will only lose 7 of the 25 million and if his dick doesn’t work I think admitting it would be worth getting 7 million clams back. He filed for an appeal and then dedcided to drop it. That doesn’t sound like someone not guilty to me… but I still like Manny.

“The suspension began Thursday and barring any postponements Ramirez will be able to return to the Dodgers – who now have the best record in baseball – for the July 3 game at San Diego. Ramirez will lose more than $7 million of his $25 million salary.”

It’s like a vacation mid-season. He will be back in July and the Playoffs start in September. Should be fresh.

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[quote]JGerman wrote:
It’s like a vacation mid-season. He will be back in July and the Playoffs start in September. Should be fresh.
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Yeah, if the Dodgers can make it to the playoffs w/o him. I doubt it.

They had their first loss at home last night w/o him… vs the NATIONALS.

Anything is possible, but 1/3 of the season is a long time to have your star player replaced w/ a minor leaguer.

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[quote]nyyanks25 wrote:
If the report of ED is true, then it is a huge embarrassment for Manny and baseball should be ashamed for taking this story to the news right away.

But if he has a prescription for these drugs to treat ED, couldn’t Manny have just produced a prescription or other documentation to MLB? If that happened chances are that this would have worked out better and no suspension.

Why did Manny not simply produce the prescription from his doctor to MLB?

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It doesn’t matter if its prescribed or not.

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[quote]xkungpowx wrote:
As for the possibility of ED is concerned… he could have taken Cialis or Viagra which are sponsors of MLB and aren’t banned substances. This makes me think ED is not the case… unless he is more of an idiot than I already thought he was.[/quote]

Neither Cialis nor Viagra are anything more than temporary fixes for the problem which could include DEPRESSION as well if it is due to decreased testosterone levels. That is one more reason people who AREN’T doctors and aren’t related to the patient shouldn’t be in control of other people’s treatment options.

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[quote]JGerman wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
If he is being completely honest. Which I doubt. He needs to sue his dr for fucking up his career. 25 million dollars is lots of money and now he will only get 7 million. Although I still don’t feel bad for anyone making that kind of money. And we safely assume he was on a cycle. I suspect the Dr story is a cover. These guys know what they can and can’t take specially if 25 million is on the line.

Wrong he will only lose 7 of the 25 million and if his dick doesn’t work I think admitting it would be worth getting 7 million clams back. He filed for an appeal and then dedcided to drop it. That doesn’t sound like someone not guilty to me… but I still like Manny.
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It sounds like someone without a firm background as far as what his problem is medically bending to the will of the masses to me. I am not sure how you arrived at him being guilty because of it.

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i tihnk they should cancel the rest of the season, or just cancel baseball forveer im sick of their being like 20 games on tv at once, such a lame sport in my opinion

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
nyyanks25 wrote:
If the report of ED is true, then it is a huge embarrassment for Manny and baseball should be ashamed for taking this story to the news right away.

But if he has a prescription for these drugs to treat ED, couldn’t Manny have just produced a prescription or other documentation to MLB? If that happened chances are that this would have worked out better and no suspension.

Why did Manny not simply produce the prescription from his doctor to MLB?

It doesn’t matter if its prescribed or not.[/quote]

Is that how dumb MLB is now? The rules on drugs are only black and white?

Who the hell would argue with a presribed treatment and given ceonsent from a doctor?

Are they unaware that it is common for physicians to even prescribe steroids to patients certain disorders?

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[quote]nyyanks25 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
nyyanks25 wrote:
If the report of ED is true, then it is a huge embarrassment for Manny and baseball should be ashamed for taking this story to the news right away.

But if he has a prescription for these drugs to treat ED, couldn’t Manny have just produced a prescription or other documentation to MLB? If that happened chances are that this would have worked out better and no suspension.

Why did Manny not simply produce the prescription from his doctor to MLB?

It doesn’t matter if its prescribed or not.

Is that how dumb MLB is now? The rules on drugs are only black and white?

Who the hell would argue with a presribed treatment and given ceonsent from a doctor?

Are they unaware that it is common for physicians to even prescribe steroids to patients certain disorders?

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You must have missed the discussion before this. That is what all of this is about…taking the power away from the patient and the doctor and putting in the hands of congressmen and scared laypeople without a clue of what is medically involved.

Just like one poster above stated that he should have simply taken viagra, more people across the country are sticking their noses into the treatment of patients as if their poorly educated opinion overrides real medical training.

Yes, MLB is that dumb because the rest of the country is becoming that way as well. People would rather lose freedoms so they can be protected from what scares them or what they personally disagree with. “Steroids” are the hot button issue right now…so let’s destroy the ability of docs to prescribe testosterone so we can “save the children”.

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HA… I havent liked him since before he left the Red Sox so I could care less

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LOLOLOLOL @ Manny doing it for ED not Home Runs?? Yeah da fuck right.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
JGerman wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
If he is being completely honest. Which I doubt. He needs to sue his dr for fucking up his career. 25 million dollars is lots of money and now he will only get 7 million. Although I still don’t feel bad for anyone making that kind of money. And we safely assume he was on a cycle. I suspect the Dr story is a cover. These guys know what they can and can’t take specially if 25 million is on the line.

Wrong he will only lose 7 of the 25 million and if his dick doesn’t work I think admitting it would be worth getting 7 million clams back. He filed for an appeal and then dedcided to drop it. That doesn’t sound like someone not guilty to me… but I still like Manny.

It sounds like someone without a firm background as far as what his problem is medically bending to the will of the masses to me. I am not sure how you arrived at him being guilty because of it.[/quote]

Ok I miss read the math, but still that is lots and lots and lots of money to loose for doing something the guy knows for sure, or his people will know for sure is a banned substance. Its on the list and any professional athlete in this day and age knows to check the list before taking anything.

These guys know whats on the line. Their career, reputation, and loss of fan base. Cause you know the media eats this shit up. You know people are going to dog him for the rest of his life. He is never going to recover from this. People are going to point and say CHEATER. Even if the reason is legit. And even if he tests clean.

This is the kind of society we live in. Because of professional sports and steroid use. We are all going to pay the price when it comes to Mens health issues. NOBODY will stand up and say yeah I got issues and need them fixed. The reason? The stigma he will feel from ignorant idiots make jokes about his manhood. Would you want that public knowledge?

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
LOLOLOLOL @ Manny doing it for ED not Home Runs?? Yeah da fuck right.[/quote]

Thank you. Manram doesn’t have erectile disfuction. Get a clue guys.

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[quote]xkungpowx wrote:

Yeah, if the Dodgers can make it to the playoffs w/o him. I doubt it.

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Why would you doubt it ? Didn’t the same thing happen last year ?

As for Manny dropping the appeal, it’s entirely consistent with his personality. Can you really see Manny sitting in a room being coached by lawyers (btw those guys have to be paid) and going to hearings and becoming a politician to win an un-win-able appeal instead of just kicking back and working out with the team for the next 50 days…shit never mind Manny’s personality- what would YOU do ?

He’ll be back in July and in peak form by August. The Dodgers save 7+ million and get a fresh and motivated Manny deep into the fall…Sounds like a win-win to me. Except the fact that Manny’s out a huge chunk of change but why does that bother anyone ? Last year every jackass and his brother was bitching about Manny and how he doesn’t need anymore money…so it’s even a win for the haters.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
JGerman wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
If he is being completely honest. Which I doubt. He needs to sue his dr for fucking up his career. 25 million dollars is lots of money and now he will only get 7 million. Although I still don’t feel bad for anyone making that kind of money. And we safely assume he was on a cycle. I suspect the Dr story is a cover. These guys know what they can and can’t take specially if 25 million is on the line.

Wrong he will only lose 7 of the 25 million and if his dick doesn’t work I think admitting it would be worth getting 7 million clams back. He filed for an appeal and then dedcided to drop it. That doesn’t sound like someone not guilty to me… but I still like Manny.

It sounds like someone without a firm background as far as what his problem is medically bending to the will of the masses to me. I am not sure how you arrived at him being guilty because of it.[/quote]

Yes, his is probably the victim here…and I had a client tell me today her Doctor said to not exercise and diet at the same time.

All I’m trying to get across is, if a person who allegedly used a banned substance get accused like this and 7 mil is on the line…I would try to clear my name come hell or high water. Like I said it is Manny and a 2 month vacation. He still make 18 mil this year, more than anyone on this site will probably make in a lifetime.