[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
I love how everyone is like natural slection blah blah blah They were children not adults, they cant drink for another 6 years but they can be shot?? [/quote]
I was in a war before I could legally drink, and I could’ve been shot too. All this without even knocking someone off a bike.
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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
I love how everyone is like natural slection blah blah blah They were children not adults, they cant drink for another 6 years but they can be shot?? [/quote]
See post about wild bear.
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
STOP SAYING NATURAL SELECTION. This has nothing to do with natural selection. Natural selection refers to the process by which certain genes are propagated in a gene pool at the expense of others. If you’re going to call this natural selection, then you are implying that the sixteen year old who was shot is genetically less equipped for survival than the rest of his gene pool. If it’s his genes, then it can’t really be his fault, can it? IDIOTS.
Also I think it’s fucking hilarious when people who advocate minimal government interference with concern to the ownership of weapons rely on government definitions of who is a “legal minor” versus a child or adult.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
STOP SAYING NATURAL SELECTION. This has nothing to do with natural selection. Natural selection refers to the process by which certain genes are propagated in a gene pool at the expense of others. If you’re going to call this natural selection, then you are implying that the sixteen year old who was shot is genetically less equipped for survival than the rest of his gene pool. If it’s his genes, then it can’t really be his fault, can it? IDIOTS.[/quote]
Well, he obviously did not procreate as a result of his actions.
Whether it was “his fault” or not is also irrelevant, if an animal has rabies you shoot it.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Also I think it’s fucking hilarious when people who advocate minimal government interference with concern to the ownership of weapons rely on government definitions of who is a “legal minor” versus a child or adult. [/quote]
Irrelevant.
16 yr olds are not children, insisting they are is a disservice to teenagers. They should be expected to have matured some by that age and not quickly be excused for their choices.
I have read several studies that have found the decision making process for teens is similar to adults, meaning that at age 16 you should have enough sense to understand that robbing is men is a crime, especially if you can pick your victims to maximize success.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. Making excuses for them because of (blank) does no one any good. Of course, there are at times medical/mental issues that should be considered.
[quote]Nards wrote:
It should be noted before some bleeding heart goes off from just reading the title that the kids knocked him off the bike then tried to rob him. SO I am perfectly OK if not more than OK with them all getting shot.[/quote]
I was almost the person you describe, and assumed from the headline that it was some sort of traffic mishap, but then I read the article.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
As a young guy who has had the personal experience of a friend getting shot I don’t ‘admire’ what this old man did. However, I don’t condemn him either. I understand he was probably scarred and rife with adrenaline, which caused him to react the way he did. But I bet he will regret killing the kid for a long time.
I grew up in a rough neighbourhood and knew some people that made bad decisions. When you’re young (especially 15-16-17) you make mistakes that you look back on and regret. I feel bad that the young man who was killed made a bad decision and had to pay for it with his life. [/quote]
Good post.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
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Sounds to me as though you are shifting responsibility on to the parents. You have not lived long enough to assume something like that. There are plenty of evil folks out here in the world who were raised by “top-notch” parents, but decided to do evil things. At 16, you’re more than capable of making a choice. My 14 y/o knows this as fact, so I don’t know what your problem is in recognizing this.
The boys conspired to rob people; they understood it was against the law; they chose their prey; sounds like the same thing adult criminals do. They just picked the wrong MF in this case. They got what was bound to come to them a lil sooner than they expected. End of story.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
16 yr olds are not children, insisting they are is a disservice to teenagers. They should be expected to have matured some by that age and not quickly be excused for their choices.
I have read several studies that have found the decision making process for teens is similar to adults, meaning that at age 16 you should have enough sense to understand that robbing is men is a crime, especially if you can pick your victims to maximize success.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. Making excuses for them because of (blank) does no one any good. Of course, there are at times medical/mental issues that should be considered.[/quote]
When is the last time you talked to a sixteen year old? By the way, why the fuck should I believe you read studies on the decision making processes of teens? Is it your job to be some sort of authority on this subject? If so, please, tell me and I’ll shut up. Otherwise, forgive my suspicion when I say that I doubt you “read several studies.”
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
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Sounds to me as though you are shifting responsibility on to the parents. You have not lived long enough to assume something like that. There are plenty of evil folks out here in the world who were raised by “top-notch” parents, but decided to do evil things. At 16, you’re more than capable of making a choice. My 14 y/o knows this as fact, so I don’t know what your problem is in recognizing this.
The boys conspired to rob people; they understood it was against the law; they chose their prey; sounds like the same thing adult criminals do. They just picked the wrong MF in this case. They got what was bound to come to them a lil sooner than they expected. End of story. [/quote]
At 25 I’m too young to have an opinion on a subject, but at 16 I’m old enough to be shot to death, no questions asked. Do you understand why I do not understand your logic here?
Also, I know plenty about evil in the world. It comes with the job.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
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Sounds to me as though you are shifting responsibility on to the parents. You have not lived long enough to assume something like that. There are plenty of evil folks out here in the world who were raised by “top-notch” parents, but decided to do evil things. At 16, you’re more than capable of making a choice. My 14 y/o knows this as fact, so I don’t know what your problem is in recognizing this.
The boys conspired to rob people; they understood it was against the law; they chose their prey; sounds like the same thing adult criminals do. They just picked the wrong MF in this case. They got what was bound to come to them a lil sooner than they expected. End of story. [/quote]
At 25 I’m too young to have an opinion on a subject, but at 16 I’m old enough to be shot to death, no questions asked. Do you understand why I do not understand your logic here?
Also, I know plenty about evil in the world. It comes with the job. [/quote]
You don’t understand because you choose not to. If evil comes with whatever job you’re involved in, then you would have firm grasp of a 16 y/o can think and reason like an adult. It’s why they normally get tried as adults after violent crimes.
Take a moment, step back, and re-evaluate your argument. Then re-evaluate again.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
16 yr olds are not children, insisting they are is a disservice to teenagers. They should be expected to have matured some by that age and not quickly be excused for their choices.
I have read several studies that have found the decision making process for teens is similar to adults, meaning that at age 16 you should have enough sense to understand that robbing is men is a crime, especially if you can pick your victims to maximize success.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. Making excuses for them because of (blank) does no one any good. Of course, there are at times medical/mental issues that should be considered.[/quote]
When is the last time you talked to a sixteen year old? By the way, why the fuck should I believe you read studies on the decision making processes of teens? Is it your job to be some sort of authority on this subject? If so, please, tell me and I’ll shut up. Otherwise, forgive my suspicion when I say that I doubt you “read several studies.” [/quote]
He is a professor at a university and so is his wife.
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
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Sounds to me as though you are shifting responsibility on to the parents. You have not lived long enough to assume something like that. There are plenty of evil folks out here in the world who were raised by “top-notch” parents, but decided to do evil things. At 16, you’re more than capable of making a choice. My 14 y/o knows this as fact, so I don’t know what your problem is in recognizing this.
The boys conspired to rob people; they understood it was against the law; they chose their prey; sounds like the same thing adult criminals do. They just picked the wrong MF in this case. They got what was bound to come to them a lil sooner than they expected. End of story. [/quote]
At 25 I’m too young to have an opinion on a subject, but at 16 I’m old enough to be shot to death, no questions asked. Do you understand why I do not understand your logic here?
Also, I know plenty about evil in the world. It comes with the job. [/quote]
You don’t understand because you choose not to. If evil comes with whatever job you’re involved in, then you would have firm grasp of a 16 y/o can think and reason like an adult. It’s why they normally get tried as adults after violent crimes.
Take a moment, step back, and re-evaluate your argument. Then re-evaluate again. [/quote]
What 16 and most 25 year old people lack is WISDOM.
The decision process is the same.
I have a 21, 20, 19, 18 and 16 year old, so yes I believe I can give my opinion on this topic.
What does the age argument have to do with anything? The kid is dead because he put someone in the unenviable position of having to use deadly force to defend himself. Arguing whether or not the kid deserved to die is irrelevant. Better him than the guy who was just out for a bike ride.
The situation is tragic, and unless he is a sociopath, this will probably haunt the older gentleman for the rest of his life. If I were in that situation, I would not hesitate to kill the kid to protect myself, but it would haunt me forever. Just because of someone is of a young and impressionable age, prone to make bad decisions, does not mean they won’t have to live (or die) with the consequences.
The “kids” assaulted two other people earlier that day after being ordered back to school by police.
Logic would dictate that this is not the first time these 3 “kids” caused trouble on that bike path and someone finally had enough.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it was like to be 16. Also you probably had parents who cared a lot more about how you turned out than the parents of these kids.
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Sounds to me as though you are shifting responsibility on to the parents. You have not lived long enough to assume something like that. There are plenty of evil folks out here in the world who were raised by “top-notch” parents, but decided to do evil things. At 16, you’re more than capable of making a choice. My 14 y/o knows this as fact, so I don’t know what your problem is in recognizing this.
The boys conspired to rob people; they understood it was against the law; they chose their prey; sounds like the same thing adult criminals do. They just picked the wrong MF in this case. They got what was bound to come to them a lil sooner than they expected. End of story. [/quote]
At 25 I’m too young to have an opinion on a subject, but at 16 I’m old enough to be shot to death, no questions asked. Do you understand why I do not understand your logic here?
Also, I know plenty about evil in the world. It comes with the job. [/quote]
You don’t understand because you choose not to. If evil comes with whatever job you’re involved in, then you would have firm grasp of a 16 y/o can think and reason like an adult. It’s why they normally get tried as adults after violent crimes.
Take a moment, step back, and re-evaluate your argument. Then re-evaluate again. [/quote]
What 16 and most 25 year old people lack is WISDOM.
The decision process is the same.
I have a 21, 20, 19, 18 and 16 year old, so yes I believe I can give my opinion on this topic. [/quote]
Great answer.
I think this is one reason reading is so important for kids growing up. Well, reading books that do not always end well and not everyone has superpowers (not that these are necessarily bad). S.E. Hinton’s book at a tender age taught me lessons about growing up that probably saved me more than one scrape.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
16 yr olds are not children, insisting they are is a disservice to teenagers. They should be expected to have matured some by that age and not quickly be excused for their choices.
I have read several studies that have found the decision making process for teens is similar to adults, meaning that at age 16 you should have enough sense to understand that robbing is men is a crime, especially if you can pick your victims to maximize success.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. Making excuses for them because of (blank) does no one any good. Of course, there are at times medical/mental issues that should be considered.[/quote]
When is the last time you talked to a sixteen year old? By the way, why the fuck should I believe you read studies on the decision making processes of teens? Is it your job to be some sort of authority on this subject? If so, please, tell me and I’ll shut up. Otherwise, forgive my suspicion when I say that I doubt you “read several studies.” [/quote]
He is a professor at a university and so is his wife.[/quote]
In one of my classes I teach about the body in culture and I find studies about the brain and perceived though not necessarily biological differences between groups, gender, ethnicity, age, etc., interesting and useful. By saying I have read studies implies I know the limit of my knowledge enough to read the work of people who are supposed to be experts while at the same time implicitly stating that they may not be gospel/truth/only explanation.
What exactly happens between 16 and 18 that makes someone an adult?
At 16 I had sense. I was on my way to college. When the fuck did 16 year olds become little kids in society? If you can drive a fucking car, you are old enough to THINK.