Man Beds His Own Daughter

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
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Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Anal sex between heterosexual couples, even a married one, is still condemned by scriptures. It is known as Sodomy. So I am not condemning it purely from a homosexual point of view. I am also condemning it (through scriptures) for heterosexual couples as well.

As for the hypothetical scenario, they are not guilty of sin because they don’t know that they are related. Sin occurs when one knowingly disobey God’s law. However they did commit sin since the had premarital sex.

The rest is obviously just differences in belief. You believe that people should pursue happiness. I believe there is nothing inherently wrong with this, but it can lead to disobedience to God’s will. The problem with just doing whatever one wants is that it focuses on selfishness. Ya, Polygamy, incest, homosexuality might feel good or seem right to some, but it is in direct disobedience to God and by disobeying his commands it shows that your needs are most important.

Of course, you have to believe scriptures to believe this.[/quote]

Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

No, oral sex between a married heterosexual couple is not a sin. It is shown in scriptures:

* Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
* Song 4:16, "Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance. Let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits!"

Oh and sorry for the late reply.

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I am sorry what do you think those scriptures means ?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

What is the origin of your opinion

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

What is the origin of your opinion[/quote]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

What is the origin of your opinion[/quote]

Theologians.

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

What is the origin of your opinion[/quote]

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As much as I like Monty Python, I go to a little bit more of an academic source for my theology.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

This is what I was talking about , where did you get these ideas ?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

This is what I was talking about , where did you get these ideas ?[/quote]

Watching an argument on moral theology of marriage. I’ll see if I can find the specific theologians (old dudes back in the 3rd-5th century) who talked about it.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

This is what I was talking about , where did you get these ideas ?[/quote]

Watching an argument on moral theology of marriage. I’ll see if I can find the specific theologians (old dudes back in the 3rd-5th century) who talked about it.[/quote]

I think you’re needed in the SAMA ass licking thread. http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/licking_ass_rare?id=4270040&pageNo=13

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

This is what I was talking about , where did you get these ideas ?[/quote]

Watching an argument on moral theology of marriage. I’ll see if I can find the specific theologians (old dudes back in the 3rd-5th century) who talked about it.[/quote]

I think you’re needed in the SAMA ass licking thread. http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/licking_ass_rare?id=4270040&pageNo=13
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Hallelujah :slight_smile: i am not the only Sodomite here :slight_smile:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Anal sex between heterosexual couples, even a married one, is still condemned by scriptures. It is known as Sodomy. So I am not condemning it purely from a homosexual point of view. I am also condemning it (through scriptures) for heterosexual couples as well.

As for the hypothetical scenario, they are not guilty of sin because they don’t know that they are related. Sin occurs when one knowingly disobey God’s law. However they did commit sin since the had premarital sex.

The rest is obviously just differences in belief. You believe that people should pursue happiness. I believe there is nothing inherently wrong with this, but it can lead to disobedience to God’s will. The problem with just doing whatever one wants is that it focuses on selfishness. Ya, Polygamy, incest, homosexuality might feel good or seem right to some, but it is in direct disobedience to God and by disobeying his commands it shows that your needs are most important.

Of course, you have to believe scriptures to believe this.[/quote]

Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

No, oral sex between a married heterosexual couple is not a sin. It is shown in scriptures:

* Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
* Song 4:16, "Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance. Let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits!"

Oh and sorry for the late reply.

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I am sorry what do you think those scriptures means ?[/quote]

When it says “his fruit was sweet to my taste”, its referring to his semen.

And when it says “May my beloved come into his garden and eats its choice fruits” its referring to him giving oral sex (to either the breasts or vagina) to his wife.

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Anal sex between heterosexual couples, even a married one, is still condemned by scriptures. It is known as Sodomy. So I am not condemning it purely from a homosexual point of view. I am also condemning it (through scriptures) for heterosexual couples as well.

As for the hypothetical scenario, they are not guilty of sin because they don’t know that they are related. Sin occurs when one knowingly disobey God’s law. However they did commit sin since the had premarital sex.

The rest is obviously just differences in belief. You believe that people should pursue happiness. I believe there is nothing inherently wrong with this, but it can lead to disobedience to God’s will. The problem with just doing whatever one wants is that it focuses on selfishness. Ya, Polygamy, incest, homosexuality might feel good or seem right to some, but it is in direct disobedience to God and by disobeying his commands it shows that your needs are most important.

Of course, you have to believe scriptures to believe this.[/quote]

Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

No, oral sex between a married heterosexual couple is not a sin. It is shown in scriptures:

* Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
* Song 4:16, "Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance. Let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits!"

Oh and sorry for the late reply.

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I am sorry what do you think those scriptures means ?[/quote]

When it says “his fruit was sweet to my taste”, its referring to his semen.

And when it says “May my beloved come into his garden and eats its choice fruits” its referring to him giving oral sex (to either the breasts or vagina) to his wife.

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oh Ok thanks :slight_smile:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

This is what I was talking about , where did you get these ideas ?[/quote]

Watching an argument on moral theology of marriage. I’ll see if I can find the specific theologians (old dudes back in the 3rd-5th century) who talked about it.[/quote]

I think you’re needed in the SAMA ass licking thread. http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/licking_ass_rare?id=4270040&pageNo=13
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No thanks. I just realized the other day that Ask Us Anything was in SAMA.

[quote]forbes wrote:
When it says “his fruit was sweet to my taste”, its referring to his semen.

And when it says “May my beloved come into his garden and eats its choice fruits” its referring to him giving oral sex (to either the breasts or vagina) to his wife.

[/quote]

You sure about that? You have any formal theological proof or just the Bible?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:
When it says “his fruit was sweet to my taste”, its referring to his semen.

And when it says “May my beloved come into his garden and eats its choice fruits” its referring to him giving oral sex (to either the breasts or vagina) to his wife.

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You sure about that? You have any formal theological proof or just the Bible?[/quote]

What do you think?

Helllllooooooo, SOLA SCRIPTURA???

:wink:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

With this logic, masturbation is a sin, no?

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

With this logic, masturbation is a sin, no?[/quote]

Yes.

Along with nocturnal emissions? So by that logic if it’s true… the only non-sinful thing to do is to marry before puberty…?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

With this logic, masturbation is a sin, no?[/quote]

Yes.[/quote]

Where does scripture say masturbation is a sin? In fact masturbation is “technically” only mentioned in one passage: Genesis 38:6-9

And this verse refers to Onan spilling his seed outside of Tamar’s body in order not to impregnate his brother’s widowed wife.

The body has the capability to regenerate sperm.

Do you think God expects man to completely hold in ALL sexual desires until marriage?

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Along with nocturnal emissions? So by that logic if it’s true… the only non-sinful thing to do is to marry before puberty…?[/quote]

No that does not include nocturnal emissions, last time I checked involuntary bodily functions weren’t ever considered sins (besides those Victorian fellows, but they also thought drinking and eating were sins).

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.[/quote]

With this logic, masturbation is a sin, no?[/quote]

Yes.[/quote]

Where does scripture say masturbation is a sin? In fact masturbation is “technically” only mentioned in one passage: Genesis 38:6-9

And this verse refers to Onan spilling his seed outside of Tamar’s body in order not to impregnate his brother’s widowed wife.

The body has the capability to regenerate sperm.

Do you think God expects man to completely hold in ALL sexual desires until marriage?[/quote]

If by ‘hold in ALL sexual desires until marriage’ you mean not act on those sexual desires? Yes.