Man Beds His Own Daughter

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
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Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Oh yes, the topic of Polygamy, you mean the marriage arrangement that puts Utah as one of the states with the highest suicide rates?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Oh yes, the topic of Polygamy, you mean the marriage arrangement that puts Utah as one of the states with the highest suicide rates?[/quote]

Au contraire, the kill themselves because they are forced to live monogamous.

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[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Anal sex between heterosexual couples, even a married one, is still condemned by scriptures. It is known as Sodomy. So I am not condemning it purely from a homosexual point of view. I am also condemning it (through scriptures) for heterosexual couples as well.

As for the hypothetical scenario, they are not guilty of sin because they don’t know that they are related. Sin occurs when one knowingly disobey God’s law. However they did commit sin since the had premarital sex.
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Even if they didn’t know that they were siblings and didn’t know they weren’t supposed to have premarital sex, they still committed a sin, a venial sin, but still a sin.

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The rest is obviously just differences in belief. You believe that people should pursue happiness. I believe there is nothing inherently wrong with this, but it can lead to disobedience to God’s will. The problem with just doing whatever one wants is that it focuses on selfishness. Ya, Polygamy, incest, homosexuality might feel good or seem right to some, but it is in direct disobedience to God and by disobeying his commands it shows that your needs are most important.

Of course, you have to believe scriptures to believe this.[/quote]

There is two thoughts on anal sex (both have convincing arguments, and I say that it is not concrete as to which one is correct), one says that all anal sex is sodomy. Another side argues that as long as the end of the marital embrace is achieved, ejaculating into the vagina (unless of medical reasons), then it is not sodomy.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Dustin, of course there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality… [/quote]

Oh good, we agree.

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This has turned into a self righteous bull shit fling. Homosexuality and incest have been around longer than society. The people claiming that incest was so taboo do not look at history. Pre civil war it was illegal to have sex with your children if they were white .Rape and incest were very common with those Republican :slight_smile: bastards :slight_smile:

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This has turned into a self righteous bull shit fling. Homosexuality and incest have been around longer than society. The people claiming that incest was so taboo do not look at history. Pre civil war it was illegal to have sex with your children if they were white .Rape and incest were very common with those Republican :slight_smile: bastards :)[/quote]

You mean Democrat bastards, right?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Oh yes, the topic of Polygamy, you mean the marriage arrangement that puts Utah as one of the states with the highest suicide rates?[/quote]

Au contraire, the kill themselves because they are forced to live monogamous.

[/quote]

Well they are forced by their own religious leaders, however some sects are not aligned with the main stream and still practice polygamy.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Oh yes, the topic of Polygamy, you mean the marriage arrangement that puts Utah as one of the states with the highest suicide rates?[/quote]

Au contraire, the kill themselves because they are forced to live monogamous.

[/quote]

Well they are forced by their own religious leaders, however some sects are not aligned with the main stream and still practice polygamy.[/quote]

Polygamous men live longer!

And drink less!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This has turned into a self righteous bull shit fling. Homosexuality and incest have been around longer than society. The people claiming that incest was so taboo do not look at history. Pre civil war it was illegal to have sex with your children if they were white .Rape and incest were very common with those Republican :slight_smile: bastards :)[/quote]

You mean Democrat bastards, right?

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:slight_smile:

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This has turned into a self righteous bull shit fling. Homosexuality and incest have been around longer than society. The people claiming that incest was so taboo do not look at history. Pre civil war it was illegal to have sex with your children if they were white .Rape and incest were very common with those Republican :slight_smile: bastards :)[/quote]

You mean Democrat bastards, right?

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:slight_smile:
[/quote]

What has that to do with the antebellum South that was Democrat?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Oh yes, the topic of Polygamy, you mean the marriage arrangement that puts Utah as one of the states with the highest suicide rates?[/quote]

That’s not surprising as the male homosexual population has the absolute highest disease rate in STD’s and HIV (among many others). And also a tremendously high suicide rate as well. The pc police will tell you it’s because of the lack of acceptance. But interestingly enough in the Netherlands where gay marriage has been in existence for almost 10 years and it’s no big deal to be gay the suicide and disease rate matches the US.

There is no escaping the reality of ones actions. And as I’ve said earlier it is a huge financial burden on the state.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This has turned into a self righteous bull shit fling. Homosexuality and incest have been around longer than society. The people claiming that incest was so taboo do not look at history. Pre civil war it was illegal to have sex with your children if they were white .Rape and incest were very common with those Republican :slight_smile: bastards :)[/quote]

Weren’t a lot of Republicans that owned slaves. Not a lot of Republicans in the Southern states either. I think you mean Democrat.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Polygamous men live longer!

And drink less!

[/quote]

How do you suspect that they live longer when they have a hirer rate of suicide? And live would be miserable without drink.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Dustin, of course there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality… [/quote]

Oh good, we agree.
[/quote]

LOL…okay I owe you one.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Oh yes, the topic of Polygamy, you mean the marriage arrangement that puts Utah as one of the states with the highest suicide rates?[/quote]

Au contraire, the kill themselves because they are forced to live monogamous.

[/quote]

Well they are forced by their own religious leaders, however some sects are not aligned with the main stream and still practice polygamy.[/quote]

Polygamous men live longer!

And drink less!

[/quote]

And go on more shopping trips…

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Before the 1900’s, most marriages were 2nd cousin or closer.

People didn’t have fast transportation so they had to go with what’s close to them. This father-daughter thing though is still pretty sick to me.

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pics or it didn’t happen

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I object to incest because of the risk that any children an incestuous couple produce will develop horrible genetic disorders. The British Pakistani community, who produce nearly 3% of all births in Britain, account for nearly a third of all children with genetic illnesses. They have a culture of cousin marriage. It is completely unacceptable, even for consenting adults, to inflict this on children. If they want to have children they should at least go through screening to determine if they are at risk.[/quote]

So you would be pro incest if both partners were unable to have children? And are you for polygamy as well? How far should we twist and bend our moral fabric to meet the perverted interests of all? We don’t want to offend anyone right?
[/quote]

Why do you think I am pro incest? If two people are attracted to each other, who am I to say they can’t have a relationship together? I am not supporting or condemning incest. I explained that if it results in a life of misery for a child then I am wholly against it. And the individuals must decide whether it is right to pursue an incestuous relationship given the stigma associated with it, which may affect their family.

Hypothetical scenario: a brother and sister are separated at birth and grow up without knowing that they have a sibling. They both meet and are immediately attracted to one another. They have sex. According to you that is a sin (and no, I haven’t been watching Star Wars).

Similarly with polygamy. If no-one is being coerced, and it is done with openness and honesty then I can’t condemn it. I believe people must pursue happiness, which is fleeting in our short time in this bizarre universe. But if it is forced or causes someone harm then I am against it.

And, forbes, is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples OK?[/quote]

Anal sex between heterosexual couples, even a married one, is still condemned by scriptures. It is known as Sodomy. So I am not condemning it purely from a homosexual point of view. I am also condemning it (through scriptures) for heterosexual couples as well.

As for the hypothetical scenario, they are not guilty of sin because they don’t know that they are related. Sin occurs when one knowingly disobey God’s law. However they did commit sin since the had premarital sex.

The rest is obviously just differences in belief. You believe that people should pursue happiness. I believe there is nothing inherently wrong with this, but it can lead to disobedience to God’s will. The problem with just doing whatever one wants is that it focuses on selfishness. Ya, Polygamy, incest, homosexuality might feel good or seem right to some, but it is in direct disobedience to God and by disobeying his commands it shows that your needs are most important.

Of course, you have to believe scriptures to believe this.[/quote]

Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

No, oral sex between a married heterosexual couple is not a sin. It is shown in scriptures:

* Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
* Song 4:16, "Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance. Let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits!"

Oh and sorry for the late reply.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sorry I have got to ask , what about oral sex ? Don’t worry about offending me I am already a Sodomite :)[/quote]

It matters where the act is finished (this is my person theological position, as there are two sides to the argument), if it is finished in the vag, then everything is good (as long as it is not outside the marriage). However, if you finish in her mouth, then no it is not okay.

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I think the important question here is, was she hot?