Black box is rumored to be on it’s way to Moscow.
Should be a matter of days before we hear the pilot’s last comments, “Why is that Ukranian fighter shooting at us?”
/sarcasm
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]LarryH wrote:
Why did the pilots fly into a war zone? Derp.[/quote]
Why did they fly into a war zone?
Earlier flights were routed around the area:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace[/quote]
There was a Danish flight two minutes behind it on the same flight path.
[quote]theBird wrote:
27 Australians dead.
Who is to blame?
a.) Russian Separatists.
They have the weapons capable and have recently shot down a cargo plane flying per Ukraine just last week.
b.) Russia.
Would they be that stupid to shoot down a plane without consulting with Ukraine or the US first?
c.) Ukraine.
Accidental shooting?
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And the answer is…
a). Russian separatists.
And its being reported that an Ozzie family who lost a son and daughter-in-law on flight MH370 have lost further family members on board MH17 shot down over Ukraine.
Jesus Christ…how unlucky can you get?
Seems like you would need some pretty advanced / expensive weaponry to shoot a plane down at 32k feet… Doesn’t seem like a small time operation would be capable of this, but would have to be heavily financed and trained… Maybe not… I don’t know too much about SAMs…
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Seems like you would need some pretty advanced / expensive weaponry to shoot a plane down at 32k feet… Doesn’t seem like a small time operation would be capable of this, but would have to be heavily financed and trained… Maybe not… I don’t know too much about SAMs… [/quote]
My thoughts exactly.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/buk-missile-suspected-in-malaysia-plane-disaster/2014/07/17/18caa620-0df4-11e4-9c90-0c289b74e142_story.html[/quote]
Good to know these are just laying around…
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/buk-missile-suspected-in-malaysia-plane-disaster/2014/07/17/18caa620-0df4-11e4-9c90-0c289b74e142_story.html[/quote]
Good to know these are just laying around…
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Be honest, if you had one of these, wouldn’t you be tempted to start shooting shit down?
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/buk-missile-suspected-in-malaysia-plane-disaster/2014/07/17/18caa620-0df4-11e4-9c90-0c289b74e142_story.html[/quote]
Good to know these are just laying around…
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Be honest, if you had one of these, wouldn’t you be tempted to start shooting shit down?[/quote]
That’s why I said “Good to know…” Fuck bottle rockets.
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing. [/quote]
Well that sure sounds more exciting than reality. What if some secret society was involved? Say, the Bavarian Illuminati. Wouldn’t that be cool? Yeah, I think it was definitely the Illuminati.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing. [/quote]
Well that sure sounds more exciting than reality. What if some secret society was involved? Say, the Bavarian Illuminati. Wouldn’t that be cool? Yeah, I think it was definitely the Illuminati.[/quote]
You act like it’s not true they were involved… Shame on you.
http://illuminatiwatcher.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-conspiracy-theories/
[quote]Silyak wrote:
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing. [/quote]
Yeah, the Ukrainian government on one hand say they have proof that separatists used a Buk smuggled in from Russia to shoot the plane down. But on the other hand they say the separatists are preventing them from getting in to investigate the incident. On the other hand, the Russian government is denying they had any hardware in Ukraine and they they have proof that it was a Ukrainian Buk used to shoot the plane down, and a random separatist claimed to have shot down a military craft around the time that this flight went down, but everyone agrees that his group did not have any weapons capable of reaching this plane, and no one has presented any of their so-called proof from any side of this and the leaders of all three groups involved would be more than willing to order a strike like this if they thought it would benefit them.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing. [/quote]
Yeah, the Ukrainian government on one hand say they have proof that separatists used a Buk smuggled in from Russia to shoot the plane down. But on the other hand they say the separatists are preventing them from getting in to investigate the incident. On the other hand, the Russian government is denying they had any hardware in Ukraine and they they have proof that it was a Ukrainian Buk used to shoot the plane down, and a random separatist claimed to have shot down a military craft around the time that this flight went down, but everyone agrees that his group did not have any weapons capable of reaching this plane, and no one has presented any of their so-called proof from any side of this and the leaders of all three groups involved would be more than willing to order a strike like this if they thought it would benefit them.[/quote]
Um, actually it looks like there’s an awful lot of evidence, including photographic, against the Russian government and separatists. Unless there’s a major plot twist up ahead, this is on Russia.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing. [/quote]
You’re being too simple. Clearly the Russian separatists shot it down so people would suspect that the Ukrainians did it to cast suspicion on the Russian separatists.
Locating the Black Box would be a start…
[quote]nrt wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
My biggest suspicion about this is that someone shot down a plane in order to blame it on someone else. So I’m inclined to be skeptical of a lot of the finger-pointing. [/quote]
Yeah, the Ukrainian government on one hand say they have proof that separatists used a Buk smuggled in from Russia to shoot the plane down. But on the other hand they say the separatists are preventing them from getting in to investigate the incident. On the other hand, the Russian government is denying they had any hardware in Ukraine and they they have proof that it was a Ukrainian Buk used to shoot the plane down, and a random separatist claimed to have shot down a military craft around the time that this flight went down, but everyone agrees that his group did not have any weapons capable of reaching this plane, and no one has presented any of their so-called proof from any side of this and the leaders of all three groups involved would be more than willing to order a strike like this if they thought it would benefit them.[/quote]
Um, actually it looks like there’s an awful lot of evidence, including photographic, against the Russian government and separatists. Unless there’s a major plot twist up ahead, this is on Russia.[/quote]
Not really, none of the tapes or photos released so far have been able to be independently verified. Which is pretty much to be expected, since there hasn’t been hardly any investigation yet. There is virtually no difference between a Russian Buk and a Ukrainian Buk, and the tapes are of people speaking Ukrainian and Russian and no actual evidence that they belong to either side (after all, on anybody can say anything on a recording, there has to be other evidence to verify the claim that they were separatists). It just boils down whatever slant whichever media outlet wants to put on it at this point.
[quote]roybot wrote:
Locating the Black Box would be a start…[/quote]
An actual investigation by non-biased personnel would help as well. As it stands, I would not trust any investigation done by Ukraine, Russia, and/or Separatists.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Locating the Black Box would be a start…[/quote]
An actual investigation by non-biased personnel would help as well. As it stands, I would not trust any investigation done by Ukraine, Russia, and/or Separatists.[/quote]
…or Malaysian Airlines.