Awesome… we brought democracy to these people, who marched today in mourning of Imam Hussein who was killed a million years ago by the Sunnis.
Here are highlights from what passes as a [b]peaceful[/b] celebration:
[i]Some slapped chains across their backs until their clothes were soaked with blood, while others beat their heads with the flat side of long swords and knives until blood ran freely in a ritual of grief that was banned under ousted dictator Saddam Hussein.
Some sliced their foreheads with the edge of a sword in a practice known as “al-Tatbeer” ? meaning “sword” in Arabic ? and beat themselves while chanting “Haider, Haider,” a name by which Hussein’s father, Ali, is known.
“Although it is a sad day, I am very happy because I took part in these head-beating processions,” said 10-year-old Haider Abbas Salim, whose face was covered in blood. “Imam Hussein’s martyrdom teaches us manhood and that we shouldn’t fear anything.”
Many Iraqis cooked throughout the night: pilgrims attending the ceremonies are given meals of rice and thick soup laden with meat and chick peas.
Hussein, the grandson of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad, was massacred along with about 70 followers by an army of Umayyads, their rivals for leadership of the Muslim community, during a 680 A.D. battle in Karbala. Hussein’s death cemented the split in Islam between Shiites and Sunni Muslims.[/i]
Ten years olds beating their faces until they are covered in blood.
Awesome. Just… awesome.
Kind of like those faux crucifictions in the Phillipines every year.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
miniross wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
I don’t believe in Allah. I don’t believe Mohammed was a prophet of God. I perceive that he was demon-possessed according to historical accounts conveyed by his mother and his nanny (and the fact Mohammed confessed that an angel would frequently taunt him to throw himself of a cliff as an act of suicide for many years).
I wonder if this was the same angel that taunted Jesus to throw himself off the parapet of Solomon’s temple.[/quote]
[quote]Beatnik wrote:
Look around and you will find similar material being produced by muslims against the west, christianity, jews, etc.
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I find it hard to believe that any Muslim would print a cartoon that insulted any Jewish or Christian prophets. Mainly because Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Jesus and the rest are all highly revered prophets in Islam as well…just not as highly revered as Muhammad.
But let me ask the devout Christians in the audience: do you enjoy the artwork of Andres Serrano?
For the philistines amongst you, Serrano was the man who became famous (infamous?) for exhibiting a photograph of a plastic crucified Jesus submerged in a glass of pee. Piss Christ, as the sub-masterpiece was dubbed, caused tremendous furor in the Christian community, as did an earlier work of the virgin Mary and child, similarly submerged.
Now, as I have said, no Muslim would ever commit the heinous sacrilege of depicting their beloved prophets Miryam and Isa (Mary and Jesus) in such a fashion, but what would your reaction be if, say, a Beijing newspaper widely published cartoons depicting the virgin Mary as a syphilitic whore, or Jesus as a pedophile, with the specific intent of pissing Christians off?
How many Chinese people would get beaten up or killed on the street? How many Chinese markets and embassies around the Christian world would be firebombed?
Who knows, but I suspect the answer is “more than we might like to admit.”
The result of inbreeding getting out of hand, also see terrorist or the prime inbreeded.
The only way the to stop the inbreeding is to allow them to blow themselves up, however as a result of the generations of inbreeding or terrorism, they also feel the need to blow everyone else around them for no apparent reason.
I wonder if this was the same angel that taunted Jesus to throw himself off the parapet of Solomon’s temple.
Or just good old fashioned plagerism. Or both.
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Ha! Probably. Some people claim that Muhammad was frustrated in his attempt to become a Jew, so, rather like a Middle Eastern Buddy Pine (aka Syndrome from the Incredibles), he created his own religion, based on Judaism and Christianity, with the goal of crushing them both.
I didn’t say that I claimed that, so you Hezbollah can stop writing those fatwas right now!
Just an quick aside. I have seen many blame religions for violence in world. Seemingly to indicate that religion is to blame for violence. Please remember that the worst atrocities the world has ever seen were done by Godless men. I.E. Stalin, Meow say Tongue(hehe), Hitler ( I don’t know if occultist counts I guess its on the fence), etc. Yall know who the fuck they are, I ain’t going to give a history lesson.
Just making point that religion is not the source of all violence. Non-religious people are violent too.
That’s all I wanted to say.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
…But let me ask the devout Christians in the audience: do you enjoy the artwork of Andres Serrano?
For the philistines amongst you, Serrano was the man who became famous (infamous?) for exhibiting a photograph of a plastic crucified Jesus submerged in a glass of pee. Piss Christ, as the sub-masterpiece was dubbed, caused tremendous furor in the Christian community, as did an earlier work of the virgin Mary and child, similarly submerged.
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Damn, you are right. I wrongly attributed it to Maplethorrpe.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Just making point that religion is not the source of all violence. Non-religious people are violent too.
That’s all I wanted to say.[/quote]
Good points, pat. However, the point I have been trying to make was not that religion is a source of violence, rather that it has been used throughout history as justification for the violence of superficially pious men, who under the surface were…and are…probably just as godless as the men you named.
Yeah I dont think anyone was making the claim that religion in and of itself causes violence, just that people have used it throughout history to justify their actions. For example, Ivan the Terrible became super religious during his most ruthless time, he would pray almost all day in the church while all the people were being murdered. Religion isnt bad people twisting words to advance their own agenda (violent or not) is.
[quote]UAWrestler wrote:
Yeah I dont think anyone was making the claim that religion in and of itself causes violence, just that people have used it throughout history to justify their actions. For example, Ivan the Terrible became super religious during his most ruthless time, he would pray almost all day in the church while all the people were being murdered. Religion isnt bad people twisting words to advance their own agenda (violent or not) is.[/quote]
Yea, I aggree. I decided to make the point because I have read in this and many other threads how religion is the root of evil and the world and how proud those posters are that they don’t believe in anything so they are some how absolved from the history of violence, greed and murder. My point is that despite the belief system you have adopted, that system indeed has a violent past at some point. If you are athiests, well athiests have done a lot of bad shit to. Agnostics have too. One thing you can’t rid yourself of evil or stupidity in this world no matter what you believe.
That being said, I really think the islamic nimrods may actually suceed in undoing thier religion. Which is fine with me, really as it is the world’s gratest source of misery right now. If the Dane’s and europe in general had any balls they would send memos to the middle eastern countries with the offending pictures and two words “Fuck You”. In all four coners of the letter would be a picture of the bottom of a shoe…
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Just an quick aside. I have seen many blame religions for violence in world. Seemingly to indicate that religion is to blame for violence. Please remember that the worst atrocities the world has ever seen were done by Godless men. I.E. Stalin, Meow say Tongue(hehe), Hitler ( I don’t know if occultist counts I guess its on the fence), etc. Yall know who the fuck they are, I ain’t going to give a history lesson.
Just making point that religion is not the source of all violence. Non-religious people are violent too.
That’s all I wanted to say.[/quote]
Dont go there…hitler essentially made his own religion, and was infact a never renounced Catholic. Religion is a way of division, the most effective one that we have. see past threads for discussion. But you are right, bad people will be bad people, religion can make good people do bad things, such is its force.
When people say that religion is used to justify heinous acts, surely there is a problem here. When a Pope sits in a room and a vision or concept reveals itself to him which he makes doctrine (Mary ascention to heaven was one, cant remember what its called now), in his brain, on his own, just as you, i or ivan the terrible would, then is that not all one and the same smoke screen.
10 commandments, anyone?
Thou shalt not fantisze or daydream that a deity has shown itself to you…
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Yea, I aggree. I decided to make the point because I have read in this and many other threads how religion is the root of evil and the world and how proud those posters are that they don’t believe in anything so they are some how absolved from the history of violence, greed and murder.
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Could you please post the link to the threads were those bold atheists made that claim?
Thank you…
edit: and while you are at it, please post some examples of atheistic violence in the name of atheism or because of atheistic dogma.
Now, as I have said, no Muslim would ever commit the heinous sacrilege of depicting their beloved prophets Miryam and Isa (Mary and Jesus) in such a fashion, but what would your reaction be if, say, a Beijing newspaper widely published cartoons depicting the virgin Mary as a syphilitic whore, or Jesus as a pedophile, with the specific intent of pissing Christians off?
How many Chinese people would get beaten up or killed on the street? How many Chinese markets and embassies around the Christian world would be firebombed?
Who knows, but I suspect the answer is “more than we might like to admit.”[/quote]
I doubt it would many. However, the difference would be that most Christian leaders would publically condemn any violence. We see this violence in the Muslem world & their leaders are not only endorsing it, but encouraging it.
Now, as I have said, no Muslim would ever commit the heinous sacrilege of depicting their beloved prophets Miryam and Isa (Mary and Jesus) in such a fashion, but what would your reaction be if, say, a Beijing newspaper widely published cartoons depicting the virgin Mary as a syphilitic whore, or Jesus as a pedophile, with the specific intent of pissing Christians off?
How many Chinese people would get beaten up or killed on the street? How many Chinese markets and embassies around the Christian world would be firebombed?
Who knows, but I suspect the answer is “more than we might like to admit.”
I doubt it would many. However, the difference would be that most Christian leaders would publically condemn any violence. We see this violence in the Muslem world & their leaders are not only endorsing it, but encouraging it.
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“Whoever kills a human being, then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Koran, Surah al-Maidah (5), verse 32).
Now, as I have said, no Muslim would ever commit the heinous sacrilege of depicting their beloved prophets Miryam and Isa (Mary and Jesus) in such a fashion, but what would your reaction be if, say, a Beijing newspaper widely published cartoons depicting the virgin Mary as a syphilitic whore, or Jesus as a pedophile, with the specific intent of pissing Christians off?
How many Chinese people would get beaten up or killed on the street? How many Chinese markets and embassies around the Christian world would be firebombed?
Who knows, but I suspect the answer is “more than we might like to admit.”
I doubt it would many. However, the difference would be that most Christian leaders would publically condemn any violence. We see this violence in the Muslem world & their leaders are not only endorsing it, but encouraging it.
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How many people have been killed (sic!) by chistian pro-lifers in the US alone ?
