Make the Tax Cuts Permanent!!

[quote]doogie wrote:
Again, temporarily up because the tax cuts are only temporary. Revenues are at a historic high. You are talking about low as a percent of GDP. SO what? What in the world makes you think the economy isn’t growing?[/quote]

Doogie,

I’ve pointed this out many, many times already and you keep ignoring it: inflation is up. Money is worth less. Numerical value might have gone up, but it is worth less. And people are hurting because their $180 tax break doesn’t make up for inflation and all that comes with it, including higher interest rates => larger mortgage and credit card payments.

I know you are reality-challenged, but I would have guessed that by my third or fourth repetition you would have gotten it.

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

[quote]hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.
[/quote]

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.

[quote]doogie wrote:
hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.[/quote]

Invading Iraq brought down the price of oil, remember? Oh…forgot they were wrong about that too.

You talk as if inflation is a bad thing. You’re an economist right?

No inflation is bad. Runaway inflation is worse. But inflation is just part of the game. If demand outpaces supply - you have inflation.

More money in my pocket means I can spend more on what I want. That creates a higher demand if enough people want to spend their extra money on the same things.

Business can hire more workers, and if there is low unemployment as we have had for several years, they have to pay more for the new guy because of that evil thing called competition.

If I want to add on to my warehouse with the tax cut money - and there are several other small business guys that are thinking of doing the same thing - cmpetition drives up the price of the construction.

Give me growth-induced inflation because from the private sector anyday. It means more jobs, more profits, and more taxe revenue for the gov’t.

[quote]100meters wrote:
doogie wrote:
hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.

Invading Iraq brought down the price of oil, remember? Oh…forgot they were wrong about that too.[/quote]

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live.

[quote]rainjack wrote:

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live. [/quote]

Yea but it went up a dollar and a half first. Kind of negates it wouldn’t you say?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
doogie wrote:
hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.

Invading Iraq brought down the price of oil, remember? Oh…forgot they were wrong about that too.

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live. [/quote]

Finally down to $1.99.

Brought a tiny little tear to my eye.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live.

Yea but it went up a dollar and a half first. Kind of negates it wouldn’t you say?[/quote]

Probably - but it hasn’t slowed our driving down any.

It used to be 17 cents a gallon. Gas prices go up. People get pissed. They conme down - but not as low as they were.

This is not a new cycle.

[quote]doogie wrote:
rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
doogie wrote:
hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.

Invading Iraq brought down the price of oil, remember? Oh…forgot they were wrong about that too.

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live.

Finally down to $1.99.

Brought a tiny little tear to my eye.
[/quote]

Have I told you how badly I hate you? 2.19 here if you buy a car wash when you get your gas.

[quote]hspder wrote:
So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.
[/quote]

Tax cuts also tend to jack up government revenue as well, right?

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Tax cuts also tend to jack up government revenue as well, right?[/quote]

Yes. If inflation goes up, almost invariably government revenue goes up too in numerical value.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.[/quote]

I’ve also asked this before, so I’ll ask you again: so you think you know more about Macroeconomics as every single renowned Macroeconomist out there, from Ben Bernanke to the commission that DICK CHENEY hired (expecting to have them confirm his theory, only to have it blow up in his face, since obviously they concluded what they had to conclude, i.e., that these tax cuts, in the long run, are bad).

And I am the elitist snob? I’m just the messenger here, you are the one pretending you’re smarter than everyone else.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
You talk as if inflation is a bad thing. You’re an economist right?

No inflation is bad. Runaway inflation is worse. But inflation is just part of the game. If demand outpaces supply - you have inflation.[/quote]

Just stop it it right there.

That is a gross oversimplification. I’ve explained why several times, but you keep ignoring it. You also seem to think you’re smarter than everyone else.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Give me growth-induced inflation because from the private sector anyday. It means more jobs, more profits, and more taxe revenue for the gov’t. [/quote]

Sure. But this is NOT growth-induced inflation. Just look at inflation-corrected GDP and PRODUCTIVITY growth. If they were positive, sure, I’d be partying too. But they’re not.

Reality is not what you want it to be, you know.

[quote]hspder wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You talk as if inflation is a bad thing. You’re an economist right?

No inflation is bad. Runaway inflation is worse. But inflation is just part of the game. If demand outpaces supply - you have inflation.

Just stop it it right there.

That is a gross oversimplification. I’ve explained why several times, but you keep ignoring it. You also seem to think you’re smarter than everyone else.

rainjack wrote:
Give me growth-induced inflation because from the private sector anyday. It means more jobs, more profits, and more taxe revenue for the gov’t.

Sure. But this is NOT growth-induced inflation. Just look at inflation-corrected GDP and PRODUCTIVITY growth. If they were positive, sure, I’d be partying too. But they’re not.

Reality is not what you want it to be, you know.[/quote]

Well - it’s damn sure not what you want it to be either.

Businesses are doing better. I can’t speak for everywhere - but the cities I have been to - new housing starts are off the damn charts. New businesses are going in all over the place, and the want ads are chock full of people looking for help.

Maybe simple is better. Maybe I am that smart. Maybe I believe my wallet, and my increase in business before I swallow the bullshit you have been shoveling for the last few years.

BTW - the stock market should hit an all time high today if it rebounds from the opening slump.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
doogie wrote:
rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
doogie wrote:
hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.

Invading Iraq brought down the price of oil, remember? Oh…forgot they were wrong about that too.

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live.

Finally down to $1.99.

Brought a tiny little tear to my eye.

Have I told you how badly I hate you? 2.19 here if you buy a car wash when you get your gas. [/quote]

Damn, rainjack. It’s $2.12 here without a car wash. I always figured gas was cheaper all over Texas than here. Guess I was wrong.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I can’t speak for everywhere - but the cities I have been to - new housing starts are off the damn charts. New businesses are going in all over the place, and the want ads are chock full of people looking for help. [/quote]

People are running inland precisely because they can no longer afford to live in the coastal areas.

And before you start blaming that on coastal politics, remember: the people that are fleeing the coasts will likely not change their political orientation and you might start seeing political changes in your neighborhood that you might not like…

[quote]rainjack wrote:
BTW - the stock market should hit an all time high today if it rebounds from the opening slump. [/quote]

Ooops, sorry, wrong again. As they say in the old country, “if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a scooter”.

Some of the headlines today:

“Investors fear hard landing – Economic data from the Fed’s Philadelphia region raise recession prospect.”

“Stocks retrenched decisively into negative territory as investors took in news of the Philadelphia Fed’s negative reading”

“[…] So this is a wake-up call.”

“Philip Roth, chief technical market analyst at Miller Tabak & Co., said that he remains cautious over the near-term outlook for the major averages, noting that the number of new highs for individual stocks is well below earlier peaks. In addition, volume is on the light side.”

“Also on the data front, first-time claims for state unemployment benefits rose in the latest week by 7,000 to stand at 318,000, the Labor Department said.”

“The index of leading economic indicators fell 0.2% in August for the second straight month.”

““cooling” seen in the housing market, said Ken Goldstein, labor economist for the group.”

“The U.S. dollar fell further against its major counterparts, after the Philadelphia Fed survey showed regional manufacturing to be unexpectedly weak. The dollar late in the day fell 0.9% against the yen to 116.28, while the Euro rose 0.8% to $1.2793.”

Once again, you show very clearly that you don’t know the first thing about Macroeconomics – fortunately for you, you earn money the old fashioned way. And hopefully this little lesson today might make you realize that the fact that I spent the better part of the last 20 years of my life studying Macroeconomics and know most everybody in the “business” does give me some edge…

Look, I respect you. Maybe I’m biased, but not like you think: my grandfather was a CPA during the last 20 years of his life, and, guess who were his customers? Farmers. 95% of Portuguese descendents over here in California are farmers, in the Central Valley – there was a need for somebody they could trust to help them with accounting, and he – even without the benefit of ever having finished High School – stepped up to the plate, studied hard and managed to find a way to help himself, his family AND his community all at the same time. My family back in Portugal? Farmers, fishermen and teachers. We’ve been farmers, fishermen and teachers forever. So trust me when I say I don’t think you or doogie are stupid – if anything, I have a positive bias towards you.

You are, however, trying to see what you want to see. Many people in this country are – and to, some extent, that’s good: being optimistic is needed, especially in times of recession. We need optimists, people who believe in America and what Americans can do. People like you and my late grandfather. However, when it comes to making political decisions, optimism is simply another name for… irresponsibility. So, don’t stop being an optimist – that’s good – but please do realize that at this point, any politician that promises lower taxes – or even making the tax cuts permanent – IS being irresponsible.

[quote]doogie wrote:
rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
doogie wrote:
hspder wrote:

So, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick skull: middle and lower classes are in for a world of hurt. And the tax cuts were in great part to blame for that, because they jacked up inflation, as they always do.

Sure, it was the tax cuts. It had nothing to do with oil prices.

Invading Iraq brought down the price of oil, remember? Oh…forgot they were wrong about that too.

When was the last time you bought a gallon of gas? It’s down over 60 cents per gallon where I live.

Finally down to $1.99.

Brought a tiny little tear to my eye.
[/quote]

WHAT! $2.79 here. Of course that’s the super-premium thanks to the wrx, but still reg is like 2.59.

God, I like you much less now.

[quote]hspder wrote:

And before you start blaming that on coastal politics, remember: the people that are fleeing the coasts will likely not change their political orientation and you might start seeing political changes in your neighborhood that you might not like…

[/quote]

You are slightly out of touch.

Those people will NOT settle in Rainjack’s area, and as long as we can Gerrymander Austin in with the Valley life will remain unchanged.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

You are to stupid to know what to do with it.

You are too stupid to know the difference between “to” and “too.” [/quote]

Directive reading policee meens me no get teachie gramer on skool na mor.

[quote]doogie wrote:
You are slightly out of touch.

Those people will NOT settle in Rainjack’s area, and as long as we can Gerrymander Austin in with the Valley life will remain unchanged.[/quote]

So you completely ignore the serious part of my post, and focus on the one single joke I fit in just for measure.

I need to go back to satire, apparently – it’s the only thing that gets an answer around here…