Worthy viewing by all Americans:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2009/03/exactly.html
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Worthy viewing by all Americans:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2009/03/exactly.html
mike[/quote]
Maybe the Peace and Freedom Party isn’t really about Freedom after all.
I thought that snake oil salesman looked familiar.
Strange that back in the day political cartons and comics were the norm. But today the simple messages they delivered to educate the young and old alike is none existent. Strange.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Strange that back in the day political cartons and comics were the norm. But today the simple messages they delivered to educate the young and old alike is none existent. Strange. [/quote]
Well, you have Captain Planet.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Strange that back in the day political cartons and comics were the norm. But today the simple messages they delivered to educate the young and old alike is none existent. Strange. [/quote]
You have to know where to look. Here’s one.
It should be required viewing for everyone on the PWI board before they are allowed to use terms like “fascism,” “Nazi,” “democracy,” or “right wing” in a sentence.
That video actually conviced me that an Oligarchy is simply inevitable. Just as inevitable as a Repulic becoming a Democracy which bring us back to the Oligarchy.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
That video actually conviced me that an Oligarchy is simply inevitable. Just as inevitable as a Repulic becoming a Democracy which bring us back to the Oligarchy.[/quote]
That was Aristotle’s conclusion, 23 centuries ago. Republics inevitably give way to democracies, and from there it is only a short step to tyranny.
A republican form of government requires too much conscious thought and participation on the part of the governed. It’s inconvenient. People would rather just watch TV, eat potato chips, and let the government handle everything.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth wrote:
That video actually conviced me that an Oligarchy is simply inevitable. Just as inevitable as a Repulic becoming a Democracy which bring us back to the Oligarchy.
That was Aristotle’s conclusion, 23 centuries ago. Republics inevitably give way to democracies, and from there it is only a short step to tyranny.
A republican form of government requires too much conscious thought and participation on the part of the governed. It’s inconvenient. People would rather just watch TV, eat potato chips, and let the government handle everything.[/quote]
Why not go straight to an Ogliarchy or Monarchy, and skip all the cycles of revolution and counter-revolution? It’s time to settle down.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth wrote:
That video actually conviced me that an Oligarchy is simply inevitable. Just as inevitable as a Repulic becoming a Democracy which bring us back to the Oligarchy.
That was Aristotle’s conclusion, 23 centuries ago. Republics inevitably give way to democracies, and from there it is only a short step to tyranny.
A republican form of government requires too much conscious thought and participation on the part of the governed. It’s inconvenient. People would rather just watch TV, eat potato chips, and let the government handle everything.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s inevitable, particularly because men like myself refuse to accept it. We just need to continue to learn and improve on our forms of government each time we eff it up.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I don’t think it’s inevitable, particularly because men like myself refuse to accept it. We just need to continue to learn and improve on our forms of government each time we eff it up.
mike[/quote]
Then again, recall that the goal of men like yourself in 1776 wasn’t to continue to learn and improve the British Parliament.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I don’t think it’s inevitable, particularly because men like myself refuse to accept it. We just need to continue to learn and improve on our forms of government each time we eff it up.
mike
Then again, recall that the goal of men like yourself in 1776 wasn’t to continue to learn and improve the British Parliament.[/quote]
What then was it? Our system was very much inspired by the British system. We improved upon it and made it our own.
mike
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Worthy viewing by all Americans:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2009/03/exactly.html
mike
Maybe the Peace and Freedom Party isn’t really about Freedom after all.
http://peaceandfreedom.org/home/
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I just spent about an hour trolling through their site. That, my friend, was fun.
mike
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth wrote:
That video actually conviced me that an Oligarchy is simply inevitable. Just as inevitable as a Repulic becoming a Democracy which bring us back to the Oligarchy.
That was Aristotle’s conclusion, 23 centuries ago. Republics inevitably give way to democracies, and from there it is only a short step to tyranny.
A republican form of government requires too much conscious thought and participation on the part of the governed. It’s inconvenient. People would rather just watch TV, eat potato chips, and let the government handle everything.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing to myself. I already noticed the trend of apathy in our society. The process is underway. Our progress technologically has been exponential in terms of development and advance. There is not reason to think the progress of social change can’t be as fast. It took 2 thousand years for the Roman Empire to fall. It was due to finances at it’s core. There is no reason why an empire today can’t fall in a fraction of that time.
I personally feel that true communism is the best system. But, and this is a big but, the society as a whole has to be evolved to a level where that system will flourish and not be fraught with abuses. i don’t feel like the social consciousness is there yet. Emotions like greed have to die off and be seen as useless and selfish.
And to bring us back to your post, the more things move in the direction of tyranny the more i fell the importance of the 2nd amendment.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
I was thinking the same thing to myself. I already noticed the trend of apathy in our society. The process is underway. Our progress technologically has been exponential in terms of development and advance. There is not reason to think the progress of social change can’t be as fast.[/quote]It took 2 thousand years for the Roman Empire to fall[quote].It was due to finances at it’s core. There is no reason why an empire today can’t fall in a fraction of that time.
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ignoring the rest of your post
Are you sure about that?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I don’t think it’s inevitable, particularly because men like myself refuse to accept it. We just need to continue to learn and improve on our forms of government each time we eff it up.
mike
Then again, recall that the goal of men like yourself in 1776 wasn’t to continue to learn and improve the British Parliament.
What then was it? Our system was very much inspired by the British system. We improved upon it and made it our own.
mike[/quote]
My point was that they didn’t try to improve the parliamentary system in Britain. Which is why the term “American Revolution” is a bit of a misnomer. It wasn’t a revolution in the traditional sense, ending with the members of Parilament hanging from gibbets, and the replacement of King George III on the throne with King George Washington.
No, it was a war of secession and independence. We may have drawn inspiration from the British Parliament, but we dug deeper, taking clues from Montesquieu’s dictum that “government should be set up so that no man need be afraid of another,” and fashioning our system after the constitutions of the old Roman Republic and the Iroquois Confederation.
Revolution, secession and independence, or descent into tyranny.
I think that’s going to be the choice, eventually.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
It took 2 thousand years for the Roman Empire to fall.It was due to finances at it’s core. There is no reason why an empire today can’t fall in a fraction of that time.
ignoring the rest of your post
Are you sure about that?
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Well, you know, two thousand years, give or take about fifteen hundred years. 
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I don’t think it’s inevitable, particularly because men like myself refuse to accept it. We just need to continue to learn and improve on our forms of government each time we eff it up.
mike
Then again, recall that the goal of men like yourself in 1776 wasn’t to continue to learn and improve the British Parliament.
What then was it? Our system was very much inspired by the British system. We improved upon it and made it our own.
mike
My point was that they didn’t try to improve the parliamentary system in Britain. Which is why the term “American Revolution” is a bit of a misnomer. It wasn’t a revolution in the traditional sense, ending with the members of Parilament hanging from gibbets, and the replacement of King George III on the throne with King George Washington.
No, it was a war of secession and independence. We may have drawn inspiration from the British Parliament, but we dug deeper, taking clues from Montesquieu dictum that “government should be set up so that no man need be afraid of another,” and fashioning our system after constitution of the old Roman Republic, and the constitution of the Iroquois Confederation.
Revolution, secession and independence, or descent into tyranny.
I think that’s going to be the choice, eventually.[/quote]
Oh, I think we misread each other. We’re in agreement.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Worthy viewing by all Americans:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2009/03/exactly.html
mike[/quote]
It also uses the term “bread and circus”, which used to be a health food store in Amherst Mass. Those smelly hippies reeked of democracy.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Worthy viewing by all Americans:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2009/03/exactly.html
mike
Here’s another good tutorial clarifying that we are in fact a republic, not a democracy. It also uses the term “bread and circus”, which used to be a health food store in Amherst Mass. Those smelly hippies reeked of democracy.
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Tool, you are aware that I linked to that video already in this thread, right?