America is a Republic, Not a Democracy!

A long read…but very interesting.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/201003279273/politics-and-economics/america-is-a-republic-not-a-democracy.html

America is a Republic, Not a Democracy!
Saturday, March 27, 2010 - by Nelson Hultberg

Nelson Hultberg

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from
the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the
candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the
result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always
followed by a dictatorship. â?? Alexander Fraser Tytler, 18th century
Historian and Jurist

It is the view of most Americans today, that as long as all legislation in a
country is democratically established by a majority vote of the people, then
that country is politically free, and justice reigns. This modern view of
course would be considered grievously naive by the Founding Fathers, who in
their perusal of history had acquired a thorough grasp of the follies of
ancient Greek democracies. In their minds, it would be ludicrous to consider
freedom and justice to be determined merely by “democratic approval” of
government laws.

This is an enormously important point for Americans to understand, for the
fact that it is not being taught in our schools and clarified in the voters’
minds is one of the main reasons why the philosophy of statism is spreading
throughout the world.

If we consider freedom to be most prevalent where there is a minimum of
coercion utilized among human beings, it should be clear to any man with a
jot of common sense that we are no longer truly free in this country, that
there is, and has been for some time now in the words of Robert Nisbet, a
“new despotism” creeping over us.

If we were to ask an average citizen in the street today if he considers
himself free and his goverment just (and if he were articulate), he would
undoubtedly spew out a long list of unjustifiable policies forced upon him
by Washington and his own local city hall, ranging from ever-increasing
taxes and welfare boondoggles, to the ominous oppressions of the Patriot
Act, to the special privileges of affirmative action and its despicable
reverse racism.

If we were to ask one of America’s industrious, small businessmen today if
he considers himself free and his government just, he would (if he was
politically aware) promptly reply, “Are you kidding! I’m unfairly taxed,
regulated and controlled beyond belief by mindless government bureaucrats.
They hound every move and decision I make. The forms to fill out for one
year’s operation alone are enough to swamp an army of secre- taries and the
most sophisticated computer I can afford to buy.”

If we were to ask one of America’s more money wise pensioners today if he
considers himself free and his government just, we would be informed very
testily, “Certainly not! My money is being systematically destroyed, a
little bit more every year, by the ‘paper aristocracy’ and its government
induced inflation. Federal Reserve flim-flammers are robbing me as surely as
if they were to come into my local bank annually and steal a certain
percentage of my savings account.”

If we were to ask the middle class parents of school age children in America
today, if they consider themselves free and their government just, we would
quite likely be bombarded with such indignation as, “God no, we’re not free!
We can’t even put our children in our own neighborhood school. Sanctimonious
judges have gone berserk and think they can now program everybody’s lives to
fit their sociological obsessions.”

How are we to account for such reactions? America doesn’t have a personal
dictator and is not visibly like the Chinese, South American, or Middle East
tyrannies. How then can there be such widespread disenchantment with the
amount of freedom and justice we have in this country? The answer, of
course, is that America does have a dictator. It is difficult for many to
recognize, for the dictator is not the President, or the Congress, or the
Supreme Court. It is the people themselves. It is the majority will.

What is the difference whether a government’s dictates emanate from a single
autocrat like Hitler in Germany, or from a group of oligarchs like the
Politburo in China, or from fifty-one percent of “the people” like in
America? If they are absolute dictates that are arbitrarily arrived at, if
they are widespread and cannot be refused by the individual, then freedom no
longer prevails. Our dictator is the dinosaur bureaucracy in Washington that
is taking our money from our paychecks, our freedom from our businesses and
families, and our meaning from our lives – but that dinosaur receives its
orders from the majority will of the people.

Today’s high school civics classes laud the idea of “democracy” with pages
of beatific hosannahs attesting to its charms. But our children would be far
better served with an introduction to H.L. Mencken’s early 20th century
critique, Notes On Democracy, and its caustic account of allowing America’s
“booboisie” total reign:

“The aim of democracy is to break all…free spirits to the common harness.
It tries to iron them out, to pump them dry of self-respect, to make docile
John Does of them. The measure of its success is the extent to which such
men are brought down, and made common. The measure of civilization is the
extent to which they resist and survive. Thus the only sort of liberty that
is real under democracy is the liberty of the have-nots to destroy the
liberty of the haves.” [1]

“[M]en of unusual intelligence and enterprise, men who regard their
constitutional liberties seriously and are willing to go to some risk and
expense to defend then…are inevitably unpopular under democracy, for
their qualities are qualities that the mob wholly lacks, and is uneasily
conscious of lacking.” [2]

“Why should democracy rise against bribery? It is itself a form of wholesale
bribery. In place of a government with a fixed purpose and a visible goal,
it sets up a government that is a mere function of the mob’s vagaries, and
that maintains itself by constantly bargaining with those vagaries. Its
security depends wholly upon providing satisfactory bribes for the
prehensile minorities that constitute the mob, or that have managed to
deceive and inflame the mob.” [3]

“The democrat, leaping into the air to flap his wings and praise God, is for
ever coming down with a thump. The seeds of his disaster…lie in his own
stupidity: he can never get rid of the naive delusion…that happiness is
something to be got by taking it away from the other fellow.” [4]

What then are we to make of this ruinous “legalized plunder,” that we call
participatory democracy and extole as some sort of political Nirvana? This
incongruous notion that gangling masses of men, who find enjoyable
entertainment in Reality TV and profundity in National Inquirer, can
presciently determine the destiny of great nations?

What we are to make of it is that America was never meant to be a pure
democracy with “absolute majority will” ruling the country under the
bumptious guidance of unruly masses. She was meant to be a strictly limited
Constitutional Republic governed by level headed, high-minded men of
sagacity and self-discipline whose chief function is to preserve individual
rights rather than render them senseless and non-existent.

In other words, the Founding Fathers recognized that, because of the nature
of life itself, all men possessed a certain set of rights that were never to
be put up for vote. One of the most important of these was a man’s right to
his property (which meant also his wages and his profits). This is the
fundamental cornerstone of our system and precisely where it differs from
the rapacious tumult of a democracy. The majority will is supposed to be
severely limited and have no power to redistribute a man’s earnings.
America’s Founding Fathers knew their history well, and had seen the
ultimate result of democracies – that they vote themselves into tyrannies
marked by constant unrest and sedition.

James Madison gave us sage advice when he warned that, “democracies have
ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found
incompatible with personal security and the rights of property; and have
been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” [5]

John Adams advised his fellow countrymen: “There never was a democracy yet
that did not commit suicide.” [6]

Thomas Jefferson, writing in relation to the Virginia legislature, stated,
“One hundred and seventy-three despots” are “as oppressive as one,” and that
“an elective despotism was not the government we fought for.” [7]

Even the intellectuals of Rome recognized that their empire’s greatness and
freedom were directly related to their republican form of government. In the
words of historian, Will Durant, Cicero believed, that “without checks and
balances…democracy becomes mob rule, chaos and dictatorship.” Cicero went
on to say that the man usually chosen as leader in a democracy is “someone
bold and unscrupulous…who curries favor with the people by giving them
other men’s property.” [8]

Are we in modern America any different? Are not our political leaders “bold
and unscrupulous?” Do they not attempt to “curry our favor” by advocating
the redistribution of more and more personal wealth for social services? Is
this not the same as giving the people “other men’s property?” Have not all
our modern era administrations throughout the 20th century been possessed of
the same dictatorial inclinations? Have they not all advocated that the
productive people of the nation give up progressively more of their earnings
every year for those who do not wish to be productive?

Here then is the evil of a democracy with the “majority will” ruling
absolutely. It allows dictatorial control and confiscation to be utilized
against the individual simply because the masses desire such control and
confiscation to be utilized. The concept of individual sovereignty is thus
destroyed, a dangerous cloud of confusion develops in the area of social
ethics, and the might of numbers becomes our only guide as to what is right
and wrong.

No businessman would ever think it right to walk in and rob the corner
grocery store (at the point of a gun), to obtain money to help his faltering
dry goods business. Yet most Americans today do not think it wrong in any
way for the “majority will” to vote for the government in Washington to
force the owner of that grocery store (under the threat of a prison
sentence) to give up a substantial portion of his money (in the form of
higher taxes) to subsidize corporations that are unprofitable, or to support
able-bodied men and women until they decide they would like to go back to
work, or to support pretentious mediocrities through the National Endowment
for the Arts, or to pay highly profitable farmers to refrain from planting
certain crops for a year.

What is the difference, though, ethically in the two acts? Both are
violations of the individual store owner’s right to the product of his
labor. The democratic thievery is just so indirect that responsibility for
the act is largely diffused, and thus not so noticeable to the perpetrators.
But is it somehow right because fifty-one percent of the voters are
advocating it? The philosophical democrat, awash in egalitarian adoration,
answers yes; but that is because he allows his emotions to dictate his
policies. He is capable of only thinking short range and then invariably
blanks out on the evil incongruities that result. The stronger and more
sagacious man of reason, steeped in the wisdom of history’s morality tale,
knows better. He knows that both acts – the gunpoint robbery and the IRS
performed robbery – are acts of unjust coercion and destroy the individual
store owner’s rights. In both cases, the owner is forced against his will to
give up money
that he has earned with excruciating effort, to be used toward a goal that
he neither approves of, nor cares about, nor is necessary to preserve a free
domestic order.

Our philosophical “democrats” should ask themselves the following: What if a
majority of voters allowed the crudities of bigotry to prevail in their
minds and ruled that all black people must be off the city streets and in
their homes by sundown? If not, they were to be jailed. What if the majority
of the people suddenly decided that the free exercise of religion was a
detriment to the public interest? Or, overwhelmed with the envy that lurks
in the hearts of men everywhere, they decided to require all people earning
in excess of $30,000 a year to give that excess to the Federal Government to
be dispensed out equally to anyone earning under $30,000 a year? Would such
bigotry and persecution and envy be right because the “majority will” had
ruled them so? Certainly not. The “majority will” has the same capacity as
any graft-swilling despot in any Third World dictatorship to destroy a man’s
freedom and a nation’s justice. Its power cannot be enacted on
whim for whatever the masses wish.

By their very nature, an individual’s rights are not to be abrogated by the
mass. They are not to be subject to open assault by frenzied mobs in search
of covetous gratification. Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton, Henry and Adams
would be inflamed with outrage at the Constitutional violations taking place
in America today – violations that strike viciously at the heart of the
very existence of the Republic itself.

As Constitutional scholar, Gottfried Dietz, points out, the Founders of this
nation believed that "popular government, being as human as any other form
of government … was not immune from the corruption that tends to come with
power. An expansion of popular power…could bring about despotism as much
as had the expansion of monarchial power…In a word, the growth of
democracy could conceivably reduce the protection of the individual. It
could pervert free government into a sheer majority rule which considered
democracy an end in itself.

“It testifies to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers that they recognized
this danger. The oppressive acts of Parliament and of some state
legislatures had brought home to them a democratic dilemma which was
expressed by Elbridge Gerry’s remark in the Federal Convention: ‘The evils
we experience flow from the excess of democracy.’ The recognition that
American government had to be democratic was accompanied by the realization
that democracy could degenerate into a majoritarian despotism. To prevent
this, democracy was bridled. While men were deemed worthy of
self-government, they were not considered so perfect as to be trusted
absolutely. They were not given free reign.” [9]

Our primary fault today then is that we have misconstrued what the
democratic process is really for by giving men the right to vote themselves
special privileges and redistributed wealth from the pockets of their
neighbors – i.e., by making democracy “an end in itself.” We now think the
election process can be used to determine what the entire role of government
should be. We now presume that indulgent throngs of voters, in collu- sion
with Congressional opportunists, will somehow form through their devious
ruminations a proper method of governing.

In other words, whatever fifty-one percent of the voting masses wish of
their government, they have the right to have, which in baldest terms is
mobocracy. It leads to what Alexis de Tocqueville warned it would – the
tyranny of the majority – in which the power of government “covers the
whole of social life with a network of petty, complicated rules that are
both minute and uniform, through which even men of the greatest originality
and the most vigorous temperament cannot force their heads above the crowd.
It does not break men’s will, but softens, bends, and guides it; it seldom
enjoins, but often inhibits, action; it does not destroy anything, but
prevents much being born; it is not at all tyrannical, but it hinders,
restrains, enervates, stifles, and stultifies so much that in the end each
nation is no more than a flock of timid and hardworking animals with the
government as its shepherd.” [10]

This then is “political democracy.” If men such as Tocqueville, Acton,
Burckhardt, Mill, Spencer, Belloc and Mencken were alive today, they would
surely be amused, in fact horrified, at our calamitous efforts to govern
ourselves by counting noses to decide truth and political legitimacy.

This is not what America’s republican form of democracy was meant to be. The
democratic process, in its republican form, was meant to be mainly the
ability to remove politicians from office peacefully. It was meant to be a
method to transfer power, not a method to define the scope and size of
government. The task of defining the scope of government had already been
accomplished through the centuries of reason and experience that went into
the writing of the Constitution. Thus government was already defined, with
its functions prescribed for it in that sacred document. The laws and
services that citizens were to be allowed to vote for were strictly limited
and were to always be provided for on the local or state level. Only in a
few clearly designated areas, were the people to be allowed to vote for the
Federal Government to provide them with laws and services. If it became
overwhelmingly necessary to alter such functions, there was an amendment
process
provided that would require the electorate to operate deliberately and
prudently. This was America’s republican form of limited democracy.

Democracy’s primary task then is to allow people to determine which citizens
of their communities are sufficiently possessed of the necessary integrity,
brains and skills to go to the seats of political power and implement
government’s pre-defined constitutional functions. It is basically a tool to
avoid violence and coups d’etat in the transfer of power, to assure a
peaceful and orderly governing process. But the overall philosophical role
of government cannot be left up to the vote of the majority in the open
ended, arbitrary manner that presently prevails. As the history of every
ancient Greek democracy clearly demonstrates, such a system will
self-destruct and tumble down the edifice of liberty, order and prosperity.

Most pundits, when confronted with the majority will dilemma, reply that
such concern over the tyranny of the mass is paranoid; that the country has
endured till now and will continue to do so; that the erosion of rights
spoken of here could never happen. But it already has happened egregiously
and continuously throughout the past eighty years, and to a lesser degree
throughout the 19th century.

The progressive income tax (passed in 1913), which basically destroyed our
right to the product of our labor and our right to equality under the law,
was justified by the fact that the “majority of Americans” approved of it.
In this case, three-fourths of the state governments eliminated the
constitutional ban on direct taxation and then fifty-one percent of our
Congressmen made it steeply progressive over the years.

The fact that it takes three-fourths of the state governments to alter the
Constitution, however, does not check a covetous majority will from usurping
the basic rights of the individual. Fifty-one percent of each single state’s
legislators is all that is required for that state to ratify a fundamental
change in the Constitution, and those legislators are put in office by a
fifty-one percent vote of the people of that state.

Thus if fifty-one percent of the voting constituents of thirty-eight states
can take away a man’s fundamental rights, then we don’t really have the iron
clad guarantee against tyranny that we think, do we? In this way, it takes
even less than fifty-one percent of the nation’s voters to alter the
structure of the Constitution itself, and abrogate all the freedoms we
possess. Thus even our “deliberate process” of amending the Constitution is
susceptible to exploitation at the hands of ill-informed masses.

There are numerous other examples of freedoms lost to majority passions this
past century. For example: The rash of labor legislation enacted during the
twenties, thirties and forties (the Clayton, Wagner and LaGuardia Acts, the
NLRB, etc.), which destroyed the rights of workers and owners to trade and
negotiate freely among themselves, was justified by the fact that the
“majority of Americans” approved of it. The government’s present obsessions
with implementing racial-sexual quotas for company hiring and school
enrolling, which violates men’s rights to associate freely, are being
justified by the fact that the “majority of Americans” approve of them.

Obtuse obedience to the “majority will” is thus the basis for all the
present efforts to curtail free interaction, association, and trade in the
United States. Supposedly the polls show that the “majority” approves of
federal legislation in these areas. Yet the rights to trade openly and to
associate freely are supposed to be clear-cut rights guaranteed to us as
Americans. How long will they remain predominantly so? The Federal
Government is so imperious now that it doesn’t even bother to cajole the
necessary fifty-one percent majorities of the required thirty-eight states
into amending the Constitution to give it the power it wants. It merely
grants itself sufficient bureaucratic power every few years to chip away at
the right of citizens to dispose of their property, to trade, and to
associate.

If the Federal Government can take away our right to our property (i.e., our
income), our right to trade openly, and our right to associate freely
because of “majority approval,” then it can also at some later date take
away our right to speak and write freely, our right to worship freely, our
right to habeas corpus, or any other right we now possess. Yet are any of
these usurpations proper or legal because the “majority will” rules them so?
Or even three-fourths of the people? The answer is automatic to stalwart men
of honor and principle: Might does not make right. The majority will must
always be limited. And this is the reason why the Constitution should be
interpreted literally, and why it should hold certain rights that transcend
the electoral process.

This was the vision of America’s revolutionaries in 1787. They gave us a
REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY. And though they fell short of achieving a perfect
document of control over the government of their republic, they at least
gave the world a spectacular start toward an understanding of the value of a
written Constitution. They recognized that all humans have a basic set of
rights that are essential for the living of life – the chief of those being
freedom of thought, association and trade, and the control and disposal of
one’s property – rights that were not to be taken away by single dictators,
oligarchic groups, or majority wills.

In end, the immediate and personal committing of an evil act clearly shows
one its evil, such as the individual robbing of a store. This is easily seen
as wrong. But the delay and diffusion of that same evil act (such as that
which takes place in a democracy, when fifty-one percent of the people vote
for their legislators to slowly confiscate the store owner’s wealth over the
years through higher and higher taxes), clouds the concepts of right and
wrong and allows the evil to become entrenched. In such a covetous climate
of ethical confusion, tyranny is not far away.

Allow unthinking masses to vote their whims, and we have signed a death
warrant for the ideals of liberty and high culture, for Burke’s “unbought
graces” of life, for equality of rights and the dream that gave birth to our
nation – the dream that said a man is what he makes of himself through
individual effort to produce new wealth, rather than through legislative
coercion to redistribute his neighbor’s wealth. Look around America today.
Where is there true liberty and high culture? Where are there any of the
“unbought graces” of life? Where is there equality of rights? Where is the
American Dream of life built solely upon individual effort?

Few authorities are willing to discuss it, but here is the main impediment
to freedom and justice in America today – our blind worshiping of the
majority will. We are making slaves out of those who are productive, and
rulers out of those who gather together in bumptious mobs. We are allowing
the destruction of individual rights to be justified by the might of numbers
in pursuit of public handouts. The democratic majority, overwhelmed with
corrosive envy, is stepping all over the individual; and we the people have
lost the clarity of mind to recognize such a crime for what it is.

Notes

  1. H.L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1926), p.

  2. Ibid., p. 160.

  3. Ibid., p. 180.

  4. Ibid., p. 208.

  5. Essay No. 10, The Federalist Papers, Roy P. Fairfield, ed. (New York:
    doubleday & Co., 1961), p. 20.

  6. The Selected Writings of John and John Quincy Adams, Koch and Peden,
    editors (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 194), p. xxxii.

  7. Quoted in Gottfried Dietze, The Federalist: A Classic on Federalism and
    Free Government (Baltimore: The John Hopkins Press, 1960), p. 61.

  8. Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, Part III: Caesar and Christ (New
    York: Simon and Schuster, 1944), p. 165.

America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy 9

  1. Gottfried Dietze, America’s Political dilemma: From Limited to Unlimited
    Democracy (Baltimore: The John Hopkins Press, 1968), p. 14.

  2. Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, J.P. Mayer, editor (New
    York: Anchor Books, 1969), p. 692.

Great article and an excellent read, some very interesting points are raised.

"Obtuse obedience to the “majority will” is thus the basis for all the
present efforts to curtail free interaction, association, and trade in the
United States. Supposedly the polls show that the “majority” approves of
federal legislation in these areas. Yet the rights to trade openly and to
associate freely are supposed to be clear-cut rights guaranteed to us as
Americans. How long will they remain predominantly so? "

Fascinating. Makes me want to take more political science.

holy shit an article by a circle jerker, I am sure it is ripe with onjectivity, probably is NOT trying to promote an agenda :slight_smile: Great stuff :slight_smile: Not

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
holy shit an article by a circle jerker, I am sure it is ripe with onjectivity, probably is NOT trying to promote an agenda :slight_smile: Great stuff :slight_smile: Not[/quote]

…said the guy who didn’t read the article.

[quote]JPCleary wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
holy shit an article by a circle jerker, I am sure it is ripe with onjectivity, probably is NOT trying to promote an agenda :slight_smile: Great stuff :slight_smile: Not[/quote]

…said the guy who didn’t read the article.[/quote]

I swear he must be posting from a mental institution. Really great piece by the way. I’m going to print it out and read it carefully.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]JPCleary wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
holy shit an article by a circle jerker, I am sure it is ripe with onjectivity, probably is NOT trying to promote an agenda :slight_smile: Great stuff :slight_smile: Not[/quote]

…said the guy who didn’t read the article.[/quote]

I swear he must be posting from a mental institution. Really great piece by the way. I’m going to print it out and read it carefully. [/quote]
:slight_smile:

ranging from ever-increasing
taxes and welfare boondoggles,

"Are you kidding! I’m unfairly taxed,

"Certainly not!

America does have a dictator.

What is the difference whether a government’s dictates emanate from a single
autocrat like Hitler in Germany, or from a group of oligarchs like the
Politburo in China,

"The aim of democracy is to break all…free spirits

that constitute the mob,

"The democrat, leaping into the air to flap his wings and praise God, is for
ever coming down with a thump. The seeds of his disaster…lie in his own
stupidity:

One of the most important of these was a man’s right to
his property (which meant also his wages and his profits).

“majority will” to vote for the government in Washington to
force the owner of that grocery store (under the threat of a prison
sentence) to give up a substantial portion of his money (in the form of
higher taxes) to subsidize corporations that are unprofitable, or to support

The democratic thievery

In other words, whatever fifty-one percent of the voting masses wish of
their government, they have the right to have, which in baldest terms is
mobocracy.

which destroyed the rights of workers and owners to trade and
negotiate freely among themselves,

“majority approval,” then it can also at some later date take
away our right to speak and write freely, our right to worship freely

Allow unthinking masses to vote their whims, and we have signed a death
warrant

[/quote]

These are some of the points,

Welfare boondoggles, cost us little compared to an over bloated military. Some more of it is all the Poorâ??s fault, Republican mindset that Poor = lazy

I hate taxes as well, but this guy is stating how America is going to hell because he has to pay taxes, I think it is the POINT OF HIS WHOLE DIATRIBE

His statements on how people would respond if asked a question. Is total conjecture, not even close to how most people I know would respond?

This is why the Circle Jerkers like the guy; it feeds the mentality that Democrats are stupid.

I wonder if the guy is pro union, because he almost sounds it.

Fear mongering about taking away your right to speak, write or worship as you see fit. And seriously if you look at this board it is the circle jerkers that want to take away the rights of Democratic minded people

On some of his points I would agree, but overall he is another Right wing wacko pissing and moaning about taxes.

The USA is a democracy.

The states do not have any power to stop the federal government so…yeah…whatever.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The USA is a democracy.

The states do not have any power to stop the federal government so…yeah…whatever.[/quote]

We elect representatives based on population and geography. The country is most definitely a Republic.

If every eligible citizen was able to vote on every issue directly, that would be a democracy.

A representative republic falls under the broader class of “Democratic governments”, but is not a Democracy.

Repost from another Thread:

‘Sir, what have you given us?’

‘A Republic Ma’am, if you can keep it’…

The process itself is based on the idea of majority rule.

In so far as this is the process of power distribution I do not care what it is called.

Fortunately for me the modern world already understands what this word means now they just need to recognize it in action as well as its ultimate consequences.

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The USA is a democracy.

The states do not have any power to stop the federal government so…yeah…whatever.[/quote]

We elect representatives based on population and geography. The country is most definitely a Republic.

If every eligible citizen was able to vote on every issue directly, that would be a democracy.

A representative republic falls under the broader class of “Democratic governments”, but is not a Democracy.[/quote]

You are confusing an indirect democracy with a constitutional republic.

The idea was to limit government to a few areas, which would be the constiututional republic, and to send some represantatives to the state capitol or Washington to make laws regulating these areas, which would be the democratic element of said republic.

Since it cannot be said that the federal government in the US is even close to the size it should be according to the founding document and thinks it can regulate anything and anyone via the general welfare and interstate commerce clause you have shifted from the republic to a democracy.

You are getting pretty close to an elected dictatorship with a token senate.

Since that is very Roman of you, you will soon understand the saying “vox populi, vox dei”.

And your god will be a fickle and angry god.

edited

Truth.

As Bill Whittle says, the whisper of Statism is a kind of eternal siren song; and like gravity, it never sleeps.

We (conservatives), however, have fallen asleep for the past 40 years.

We have a lot to do - and even more to UNDO.

Here’s his 4 min. video - pass it around, it’s good. http://www.pjtv.com/v/3335