Maintenance with Endomorph Genetics

Nutrition
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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I am surprised that someone with endormorph genetics can get down to 8% bodyfat with a high carb, low fat diet.
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These terms mean nothing if this is how you plan to use them.

This guy doesn’t sound like an “endomorph” at all and the term itself means how your body responds. It does NOT mean what someone looks like with no training at all on a random average diet. [/quote]

Alright, that’s fine. My interpretation (could be wrong) is that somatotypes apply to people’s INHERENT physical dispositions. Which is why I wrote about my surprise. Most endomorphs (for lack of a better word because I’m not so fond of these terms myself) do better with a higher fat and pro intake and less carbs. [/quote]

I was a skinny kid. I was an “ectomorph”. Most would probably label me more ‘endomorphic’ now and more “mesomorphic” when I drop weight.

Which is right?

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Orion: 250 grams of carbs is not excessive with his caloric intake. It comes out to 40% of his diet. Some people have had success with diets up to 60%. Actually, many endurance athletes consume up to 70% carbs. Most of the bad shit associated with high carbohydrate diets is found in sedentary folks. (Not mentioning this to argue as I have no intentions to. Nutrition’s my profession, so I get into this stuff.)

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Thats what you get when you buy your irony meter at Walmart.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I am surprised that someone with endormorph genetics can get down to 8% bodyfat with a high carb, low fat diet.
[/quote]

These terms mean nothing if this is how you plan to use them.

This guy doesn’t sound like an “endomorph” at all and the term itself means how your body responds. It does NOT mean what someone looks like with no training at all on a random average diet. [/quote]

Alright, that’s fine. My interpretation (could be wrong) is that somatotypes apply to people’s INHERENT physical dispositions. Which is why I wrote about my surprise. Most endomorphs (for lack of a better word because I’m not so fond of these terms myself) do better with a higher fat and pro intake and less carbs. [/quote]

I was a skinny kid. I was an “ectomorph”. Most would probably label me more ‘endomorphic’ now and more “mesomorphic” when I drop weight.

Which is right?[/quote]

Exactly. That’s why I’m not fond of the terms myself and they shouldn’t be used to hold people back. I use them for lack of better words sometimes. I mean, we all know people who are naturally athletic and built like a brickhouse (mesomorph); hyper and energetic and have to eat like horses to put on weight (ectomorph); and 6’4" mountain men who can get big lifting twice a week and have a hard time getting lean (endomorph). However, as we say here, once you’re into this whole thing, the terms don’t mean much and strategies need to be used according to the situation. You were once a skinny kid (situation) who needed to eat a lot to get big (strategy). Now you might not be as lean before and carry far more lean mass too (situation) and might not even have to eat as much just to maintain your weight or gain (strategy).

Same goes for the hardgainer term. MANY elite level guys LOOKED like hardgainers when they started. But were they really hard gainers? MAYBE! After all, it takes “hard” work to make gains. Perhaps we’re all a bunch of hard gainers. I don’t know. These terms don’t hold much weight in the grand scheme of things.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Orion: 250 grams of carbs is not excessive with his caloric intake. It comes out to 40% of his diet. Some people have had success with diets up to 60%. Actually, many endurance athletes consume up to 70% carbs. Most of the bad shit associated with high carbohydrate diets is found in sedentary folks. (Not mentioning this to argue as I have no intentions to. Nutrition’s my profession, so I get into this stuff.)

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Thats what you get when you buy your irony meter at Walmart.

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I don’t understand your post.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Orion: 250 grams of carbs is not excessive with his caloric intake. It comes out to 40% of his diet. Some people have had success with diets up to 60%. Actually, many endurance athletes consume up to 70% carbs. Most of the bad shit associated with high carbohydrate diets is found in sedentary folks. (Not mentioning this to argue as I have no intentions to. Nutrition’s my profession, so I get into this stuff.)

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Thats what you get when you buy your irony meter at Walmart.

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I don’t understand your post. [/quote]

It was a joke.

It even had a little smiley after it.

Like this: :-).

See?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I am surprised that someone with endormorph genetics can get down to 8% bodyfat with a high carb, low fat diet.
[/quote]

These terms mean nothing if this is how you plan to use them.

This guy doesn’t sound like an “endomorph” at all and the term itself means how your body responds. It does NOT mean what someone looks like with no training at all on a random average diet. [/quote]

Alright, that’s fine. My interpretation (could be wrong) is that somatotypes apply to people’s INHERENT physical dispositions. Which is why I wrote about my surprise. Most endomorphs (for lack of a better word because I’m not so fond of these terms myself) do better with a higher fat and pro intake and less carbs. [/quote]

I was a skinny kid. I was an “ectomorph”. Most would probably label me more ‘endomorphic’ now and more “mesomorphic” when I drop weight.

Which is right?[/quote]

There is a difference between observed traits and ‘actual’ traits. You tell us what you are.

I’m an endomorph (by the definition of the term) but appear a Meso because of my lifestyle.

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I got killed for trying to explain what an ecto, meso, and endomorph is. Now, these terms are acceptable again? What constitutes a particular type? Metabolism, size of frame, lifestyle?

Do endo’s tend to have bigger wrists, ankles, knees, necks, and shorter limbs?

Do ecto have long limbs, narrow frames, “fast metabolism”?

Do people evolve from one type to another over the years?

Shelby Stanes had a neat way to describe my thoughts on the subject. It is the following:

from elitefts

Set point theory is the idea that the body has a pre-set weight and body fat distribution that it prefers to be atâ?¦sort of like an internal thermostat.

We can overeat or under eat, and our body will naturally try to bring itâ??s weight and composition back to that set point. It takes work (diet and exercise) to keep it at a different point for very long.

Last year I stayed very lean (and pretty light) almost the entire year. I competed in May at 187, then in August at 168, 2 weeks later at 165, in October at 187, and finally in November at 185.

When I started my off-season after that final show, I had a real problem getting much over 225-230. It was very uncomfortable, even though I was fairly lean. My body just didnâ??t want to go higher. I think this is in part due to me â??re-settingâ?? my set point to a lighter and leaner weight with all the dieting prior.

Now this year, I only dieted for 18 weeks. I started at around 230 pounds and was onstage at about 190. After the show, I didnâ??t continue dieting â?? I went right back into a full-fledged off-season. This time though, I had no problem getting past 230 pounds. Right now Iâ??m sitting at about 245, and will probably get up to 250-255 by the end of the year. Again, I think I reset my set point by not dieting for long this year.

And now Iâ??m trying to reset it once more, to an even higher bodyweight. But it takes time â?? I canâ??t just hit 240 (or whatever number) and then start dieting â?? I need to stay at that weight for a while in order for my body to recognize it as its new weight. If I were to start dieting immediately upon hitting 240, the new muscle would have less chance of â??stickingâ?? with me as I diet down, even if I diet intelligently.

Anyways, thatâ??s my story for today.

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[quote]Darkane wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I am surprised that someone with endormorph genetics can get down to 8% bodyfat with a high carb, low fat diet.
[/quote]

These terms mean nothing if this is how you plan to use them.

This guy doesn’t sound like an “endomorph” at all and the term itself means how your body responds. It does NOT mean what someone looks like with no training at all on a random average diet. [/quote]

Alright, that’s fine. My interpretation (could be wrong) is that somatotypes apply to people’s INHERENT physical dispositions. Which is why I wrote about my surprise. Most endomorphs (for lack of a better word because I’m not so fond of these terms myself) do better with a higher fat and pro intake and less carbs. [/quote]

I was a skinny kid. I was an “ectomorph”. Most would probably label me more ‘endomorphic’ now and more “mesomorphic” when I drop weight.

Which is right?[/quote]

There is a difference between observed traits and ‘actual’ traits. You tell us what you are.

I’m an endomorph (by the definition of the term) but appear a Meso because of my lifestyle.

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Good post–a simple, but profound way of explaining it!