Chris, come on, I know you to be a bright individual, but you took the Catholic Kool-Aid intravenously.
Immigration reform? Why not come here legally, like me? Wait, wait, wait… how dare you come here legally? Just because you can doesn’t mean that you should. Something you Libs don’t get.
Here in Los Angeles, you have a Catholic Church base that is about 70% immigrant. The remaining non-immigrant people left because they will not support the boy-tickling priests. We both know that. You will sit here, and bitch and moan with useless drivel, but we know, as does everyone in this thread know, that that is the case. The church is not necessarily irrelevant, with immigration it is. Aren’t people like you supposed to be all about the separation between church and state? Libs will kill an innocent fetus, but keep a convicted murderer alive, fucking awesome.
There is nothing illegal about deporting someone here illegally. A fucking shame that needed to be explained. How about this Chris, you reap what you sow. If you come here illegally, you will pay for it later. OK padre, now let’s hear the rebuttal.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Chris, come on, I know you to be a bright individual, but you took the Catholic Kool-Aid intravenously. [/quote]
Sorry, you feel that I have drank the Kool-aid, but it seems that you’ll never see that I am by far a bigger Catholic Church critic than you are. However, if you’re going to make claims I would like it if you posted something more than an op-ed article.
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Immigration reform?[/quote]
Yes, that is what your article said.
My grandparents did.
Yes, they should come here legally. Your point?
“Just because you come here legally, doesn’t mean that you should. Something you Libs don’t get.” I don’t understand this sentence. Weren’t you just saying that they should come here legally?
Again, sorry that you thought I was a Liberal, but I’m not. I’m a conservative, but I’m a Papist first, then a conservative. Well, actually when it comes to the Catholic Church I’m a heavy conservative, when it comes to American Politics I’m still a conservative, but less so on some issues; however, none of those issues pertain to immigration. Just because I ask for proof, doesn’t mean I’m a Liberal.
P.S. I support sb1070 as I deal with the immigration problem myself. I believe that a state has the right to protect its borders and culture. However, I also believe that people have the right to make a living. Again, I support sb1070.
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Here in Los Angeles, you have a Catholic Church base that is about 70% immigrant.[/quote]
Sorry, going to need proof of this. I mean technically, all of us are immigrants (I know my grandparents are) or are decedents of immigrants, unless you’re Indian.
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The remaining non-immigrant people left because they will not support the boy-tickling priests.[/quote]
Didn’t know tickling was a major offense. And, please show proof with such claims that people left because of this, because I’ve seen an increase in people joining the Catholic Church and coming back to the Catholic Church.
No…no I don’t. I came into the Church last Spring. And, I’m not an immigrant, so I disprove your claim.
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You will sit here, and bitch and moan with useless drivel, but we know, as does everyone in this thread know, that that is the case.[/quote]
Show the proof then. And, you sound like you are the one “bitching” with all this hating you got going on.
Again, not a Lib so go yell at someone else. I’m not the enemy. This just proves that you know nothing about me. I’m one of the biggest pro-life members here, I’m Catholic. I do seminars on the pro-life movement once a quarter. I hold a rally on a college campus about abortion. I am the one that posted a video of Planned Parenthood advocates saying stupid shit, on this board.
I advocate the corporal punishment, especially in the cases of murder and molestation. I repeatedly say hang 'em (priests that molest children) up from a tall oak tree.
Yes, it is fucking awesome that I will not vote for anyone or anything that has a pro stance on any of these five topics:
Abortion
Euthanasia
Embryonic stem cell research
Human cloning
Same-sex “marriage”
Those are the five non-negotiable topics when it comes to voting as a Catholic.
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There is nothing illegal about deporting someone here illegally.[/quote]
I may be mistaken, but if someone has a child that is American born, doesn’t that make them illegal?
Tell me, if someone comes here and has a baby (say on a work visa) is it legal to deport them?
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How about this Chris, you reap what you sow. If you come here illegally, you will pay for it later.[/quote]
Well, you’re not sowing very good seed. You don’t even know my stance on anything you have posted in this specific post.
What the fuck are you talking about. I can’t rebuttal, because non of the shit you just said makes sense. And, I’m not a priest so don’t fucking call me padre.
El Paso and Ft. Worth are tiny… Someone was trying to draw a correlation between size of the city and safety earlier… also. Portland and Seattle are not that big compared to other major US cities.
And a thought on solving the problem of illegal immigration:
Open the border… or at least expand the immigration quotas by multiples of tens.
Seriously consider the implications of this before posting a knee-jerk response, and ponder these questions; Why would we NOT openly invite a population that is desperate for opportunity and from a culture that is pathologically bent on hard work and saving money? Why wold we NOT invite a fresh influx of competition for domestic industries and production?
I’ve had the pleasure of growing up in the construction and restaurant businesses in Dallas and of working alongside more illegal immigrants than I can remember. Without fail they are hard-working, honest, committed to their families and conservative in their financial dealings. I think that my generation and the ones coming up behind it could use a shot in the arm like this.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
And, the sheltering of illegal immigrants it to protect families…hmm, an institution that is pro-family protecting families…what a novel idea.[/quote]
Following the law of the country where you live, work and “do good” is another really, really, novel idea.
Or, is the church above the law?[/quote]
The said “illegal immigrants” are parents that have American-born children, I thought they were then legally allowed to stay in the country. So, unless I am mistaken, they are not acting as if they are above the law, they are protecting families.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
And, the sheltering of illegal immigrants it to protect families…hmm, an institution that is pro-family protecting families…what a novel idea.[/quote]
Following the law of the country where you live, work and “do good” is another really, really, novel idea.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
And, the sheltering of illegal immigrants it to protect families…hmm, an institution that is pro-family protecting families…what a novel idea.[/quote]
Following the law of the country where you live, work and “do good” is another really, really, novel idea.
Or, is the church above the law?[/quote]
The said “illegal immigrants” are parents that have American-born children, I thought they were then legally allowed to stay in the country. So, unless I am mistaken, they are not acting as if they are above the law, they are protecting families.[/quote]
You are mistaken.
Having a citizen child (no matter how intentionally!) does not make you legal.
So yes, the church IS acting as if they are above the law.
Of course, you could apply for a green card. Good luck with that, though, if you’re ALREADY in the country ILLEGALLY.
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Then, I must be confused. Because I remember that there was a thread about Anchor babies on here and the outrage of illegal immigrants using anchor babies.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
PS - this thread has taken a total shit in regard to the original topic, which was worthless to begin with.
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I wonder who derailed it with their anti-Catholicism.[/quote]
Did you pay attention to anything I wrote? Do you see that my problem with the Catholic church is it’s failure to punish priests who are pedophiles? Even to go so far as to protect them by shuffling them around? Did I say that all Catholic priests are pedos? Nope. Are all pedos Catholic priests. Damn dude, look at what you’re shovelin’ before you come barkin’ at me man.
You cited a more than biased report on your topic, like I said before, had you mentioned a more religion-neutral news source, you might have been taken more seriously with your argument. But since you didn’t, so be it.
As far as me derailing anything, had you presented a more solid argument, it might not have been so easily derailed. I expect scrutiny when I say something, bring the pain, know what I mean? That is what constructive debate is all about, but the moment someone ruffles some feathers, the sky is falling, and everyone becomes a racist xenophobe. Bunch of Daisies up in here sometimes.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
PS - this thread has taken a total shit in regard to the original topic, which was worthless to begin with.
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I wonder who derailed it with their anti-Catholicism.[/quote]
Did you pay attention to anything I wrote? Do you see that my problem with the Catholic church is it’s failure to punish priests who are pedophiles? Even to go so far as to protect them by shuffling them around? Did I say that all Catholic priests are pedos? Nope. Are all pedos Catholic priests. Damn dude, look at what you’re shovelin’ before you come barkin’ at me man.
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Did I accuse you of this? Where? So, far you have done nothing but talk shit about and to me, and you haven’t even got it right is the funny part. You’re a real good Christian.
I have yet to make a claim or an argument on the topic, because you are just keeping on with your anti-Catholicism. Just because the guy is Catholic doesn’t mean I agree with him.
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As far as me derailing anything, had you presented a more solid argument, it might not have been so easily derailed.[/quote]
I didn’t post an argument, so how can you derail my argument if there is no argument. I posted an article, don’t know if you noticed this.
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I expect scrutiny when I say something, bring the pain, know what I mean? That is what constructive debate is all about, but the moment someone ruffles some feathers, the sky is falling, and everyone becomes a racist xenophobe.[/quote]
I have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.
No, I don’t know what you mean. I posted the article for discussion and you come in here bashing the Catholic Church. You’re derailing has nothing to do with the fact that the science in the article says that cities with higher amounts of immigrants have lower crime. You have yet to discuss that point, so you are just trolling my thread. And, I don’t know what your racist xenophobe comment has anything to do with this. Good job, Daisy.