Low T in 19 y/o Male

Peptides can be ran for as little as $25/month if you want to amplify your natural GH pulse. I would start there. At worst, you would be paying $75/month for a full bodybuilding dose, so somewhere in between. Much cheaper than GH.

could it be my hypothalamus?

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:
could it be my hypothalamus?[/quote]

I suppose its possible. Hypothalamus is a guy that doesn’t get much recognition when it comes to TRT, as if there is a secondary problem most of the blame gets placed on the Pituitary.

I think the reason for this is the assays for determining hypothalamus function aren’t nearly as advanced and robust (limited as they may be) as for the pituitary. The back end of this is not very well understood and rarely, if ever, talked about.

So to answer your question: i really don’t know. We have identified some areas thare are certainly of concern, so look at those first. Don’t complicate things with theories that lack little practicality or provability.

I’m one of the best at figuring out why. I am medical consult for other Dr’s who have complex cases. I love a good challege. Like Vballa is right when there is structural problem when everything is properly evaluated then its time for HRT. Being 19 years old peptides would be the last thing I would do because if you properly adjust other hormones then GH will come up. There needs to be deeper investigation. Usually with in 4 weeks I would have some what of a indication of what is going on and what direction to take next. Some cases I worked on with low testosterone one would be surprised of what the causes where.

[quote]Hardasnails wrote:
I’m one of the best at figuring out why. I am medical consult for other Dr’s who have complex cases. I love a good challege. Like Vballa is right when there is structural problem when everything is properly evaluated then its time for HRT. Being 19 years old peptides would be the last thing I would do because if you properly adjust other hormones then GH will come up. There needs to be deeper investigation. Usually with in 4 weeks I would have some what of a indication of what is going on and what direction to take next. Some cases I worked on with low testosterone one would be surprised of what the causes where. [/quote]

What were some of the causes? I am interested thanks.

Does your lack of libido/erections come while on adderall? Adderall reduces bloodflow and has obvious neurological effects. I was prescribed adderall in college (used only half of the first bottle and stopped), it most definitely made it more difficult to get erections. I wasn’t particularly “in the mood” while on it either.

IIRC my dose was only 10mg 2x/daily and that was enough to give me symptoms - 2/3 of your dose (though it wasn’t extended release).

ive been on adderall since before i hit puberty and never had a problem before.

SC that is weird because Adderall should make you MORE horny…however it may prevent you from orgasm or make your erection less strong…it should still increase libido.

test 3 is in.
test total: 127. range: 300-1000
estradol: 11 range:0-56
cortisol:16.4 range:6.0-28
TSH:.990 range:.300-5.000
t3 free:2.1 range:2.4-4.5
free t4:.95 range:.80-1.80

Did you test cortisol at 8am? That is a weird lab range, usually it is 6-20, not up to 28. If 8am it’s not ideal but far from awful.

TSH is good despite really crappy FT3/FT4. That is odd. I’ll come back to this when I have more time.

anybody got an idea?..anyone seen anything like this before? kinda tired of being a medical mystery

yeah but im cutting right now so naturally i shouldnt have great thyroid levels atm. and yeah test was done at 8:51 am

Tits, you may benefit from thyroid hormone even though your tsh isn’t high, your thyroid hormones are bad. Should be in the upper third of the range optimally and will help you lose your fat. I would really push for thyroid hormone (at LEAST synthroid, though you may do better on armour or synthroid+cytomel). Even if you are cutting your thyroid hormones shouldn’t be that low. And you have symptoms of hypothyroidism…do you get cold easily? Are your hands usually cold? If you get your hormones up into the upper third of the range you will be able to burn fat more easily and it may help with your T and you will feel better (I dont remember if you were depressed or not).

Your T is really abysmal…estradiol is fine. Were you checked for prolactin? I would assume that would be fine…You’re an interesting case. The thyroid is the only thing (in addition to testosterone) that seems alarming. I wrote this whole thing so can’t go back, but did you get an LH/FSH test back? Were they low? If so you may benefit from clomid or something of that nature.

[quote]Retinoid wrote:
Tits, you may benefit from thyroid hormone even though your tsh isn’t high, your thyroid hormones are bad. Should be in the upper third of the range optimally and will help you lose your fat. I would really push for thyroid hormone (at LEAST synthroid, though you may do better on armour or synthroid+cytomel). Even if you are cutting your thyroid hormones shouldn’t be that low. And you have symptoms of hypothyroidism…do you get cold easily? Are your hands usually cold? If you get your hormones up into the upper third of the range you will be able to burn fat more easily and it may help with your T and you will feel better (I dont remember if you were depressed or not).

Your T is really abysmal…estradiol is fine. Were you checked for prolactin? I would assume that would be fine…You’re an interesting case. The thyroid is the only thing (in addition to testosterone) that seems alarming. I wrote this whole thing so can’t go back, but did you get an LH/FSH test back? Were they low? If so you may benefit from clomid or something of that nature.

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LH and FSH were normal, and yeah i would really like some thyroid hormone, but no i dont have cold hands or feel cold very often, but my family is genetically predisposed to it, thanks retinoid, i will check into the thyroid hormones, but surely they are sufficient enough to not be the cause for my pathetic t levels…right?..i mean i know they could drop it lower…but…that low?..geeze.

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:

[quote]Retinoid wrote:
Tits, you may benefit from thyroid hormone even though your tsh isn’t high, your thyroid hormones are bad. Should be in the upper third of the range optimally and will help you lose your fat. I would really push for thyroid hormone (at LEAST synthroid, though you may do better on armour or synthroid+cytomel). Even if you are cutting your thyroid hormones shouldn’t be that low. And you have symptoms of hypothyroidism…do you get cold easily? Are your hands usually cold? If you get your hormones up into the upper third of the range you will be able to burn fat more easily and it may help with your T and you will feel better (I dont remember if you were depressed or not).

Your T is really abysmal…estradiol is fine. Were you checked for prolactin? I would assume that would be fine…You’re an interesting case. The thyroid is the only thing (in addition to testosterone) that seems alarming. I wrote this whole thing so can’t go back, but did you get an LH/FSH test back? Were they low? If so you may benefit from clomid or something of that nature.

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LH and FSH were normal, and yeah i would really like some thyroid hormone, but no i dont have cold hands or feel cold very often, but my family is genetically predisposed to it, thanks retinoid, i will check into the thyroid hormones, but surely they are sufficient enough to not be the cause for my pathetic t levels…right?..i mean i know they could drop it lower…but…that low?..geeze.[/quote]

Out of range-low T3 is extremely rare for the posts I’ve seen on these forums. The fact your body isn’t screaming for more makes me wonder if something is up with your pituitary system.

Do you feel fatigued often?

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:
LH and FSH were normal.[/quote]

How normal were they, exactly?

Your TSH being so low despite abysmal T3 leads me to suspect a short circuit in your Hypothalmus or Pituitary (which are exceedingly rare disorders I think)…How are your other pituitary functions (LH/FSH, ACTH, Prolactin, etc) if you have them?

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:

[quote]Retinoid wrote:
Tits, you may benefit from thyroid hormone even though your tsh isn’t high, your thyroid hormones are bad. Should be in the upper third of the range optimally and will help you lose your fat. I would really push for thyroid hormone (at LEAST synthroid, though you may do better on armour or synthroid+cytomel). Even if you are cutting your thyroid hormones shouldn’t be that low. And you have symptoms of hypothyroidism…do you get cold easily? Are your hands usually cold? If you get your hormones up into the upper third of the range you will be able to burn fat more easily and it may help with your T and you will feel better (I dont remember if you were depressed or not).

Your T is really abysmal…estradiol is fine. Were you checked for prolactin? I would assume that would be fine…You’re an interesting case. The thyroid is the only thing (in addition to testosterone) that seems alarming. I wrote this whole thing so can’t go back, but did you get an LH/FSH test back? Were they low? If so you may benefit from clomid or something of that nature.

[/quote]
LH and FSH were normal, and yeah i would really like some thyroid hormone, but no i dont have cold hands or feel cold very often, but my family is genetically predisposed to it, thanks retinoid, i will check into the thyroid hormones, but surely they are sufficient enough to not be the cause for my pathetic t levels…right?..i mean i know they could drop it lower…but…that low?..geeze.[/quote]

Honestly I don’t know if fixing the thyroid would make your testosterone great, but it should help…how much so I don’t know. If your lh and fsh are low normal then something like clomid would probably be best.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:
LH and FSH were normal.[/quote]

How normal were they, exactly?

Your TSH being so low despite abysmal T3 leads me to suspect a short circuit in your Hypothalmus or Pituitary (which are exceedingly rare disorders I think)…How are your other pituitary functions (LH/FSH, ACTH, Prolactin, etc) if you have them?[/quote]

lab work: test 2
hormone & my range: ///normal range:
ACTH 19 /// 5-27
FSH 5.6 /// 1.4-18.1
GH .05 /// >13.0
LH 2.5 /// 1.5-9.3
prolactin 2.5 /// 2.1-17.7
somatomedin-c 438 /// 182-780
free test 35.4 /// 46.0-224.0 <----LOW
sex hormone BG 22 /// 10-50
tot test: 216 /// 250-1100
albumin: 4.8 f /// 3.6-5.1

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]titsmcgee103 wrote:
LH and FSH were normal.[/quote]

How normal were they, exactly?

Your TSH being so low despite abysmal T3 leads me to suspect a short circuit in your Hypothalmus or Pituitary (which are exceedingly rare disorders I think)…How are your other pituitary functions (LH/FSH, ACTH, Prolactin, etc) if you have them?[/quote]

lab work: test 2
hormone & my range: ///normal range:
ACTH 19 /// 5-27
FSH 5.6 /// 1.4-18.1
GH .05 /// >13.0
LH 2.5 /// 1.5-9.3
prolactin 2.5 /// 2.1-17.7
somatomedin-c 438 /// 182-780
free test 35.4 /// 46.0-224.0 <----LOW
sex hormone BG 22 /// 10-50
tot test: 216 /// 250-1100
albumin: 4.8 f /// 3.6-5.1
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If you have a good doctor mention thyroid hormones and clomid to him…your prolactin is almost too low, your growth hormone is too low, your lh is low normal, you tsh is too low (for your thyroid hormone levels). Your pituitary isn’t secreting the amount of hormones it should be…clomid can help raise them (at least the LH) but sometimes can help ‘restart’ your pituitary. Good luck!

[quote]Retinoid wrote:
Your pituitary isn’t secreting the amount of hormones it should be…clomid can help raise them (at least the LH) but sometimes can help ‘restart’ your pituitary. Good luck! [/quote]

This

And I would definitely tackle the GH issue before any of the others. Then thyroid hormones. Then clomid for LH/FSH/Test.

You may find that as you address one of the prior steps, the subsequent steps will become unnecessary.