Low Carb Diet...Not Losing Weight

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hahaha what have I started.

my turn :stuck_out_tongue:

IMO I’m in between both of you. I think calories count but to an extent. I’m more into macros. For those that say I’m counting calories. I threw those in since I added them up with my macros.

I think someone will look different eating 3000 cals made up of like 150g protein, and then rest carbs and bad fats, then someone whos eating clean and eating 300g protein, lowish carbs and health fat.

Thats where I’m at. I use to eat like shit for the past 16 years of my life. (17 now) I know some of you said just eat clean. Honestly, I’ve done that, I still pretty much do. I dont drink soda, I dont rly eat fast food.

The worst thing I do is eat a cookie at lunch once and awhile but I’m not a saint, I have hit up a taco bell or a portillos with friends. But, I am fat. Idk if I’m 25%, thats a guess. I’ve heard I am or that I could be lower. Idk, I can post a picture if u want.

But for me, I do WAY better is I have a planned diet and know that my next meal is THIS…then THIS.

I want to thank everyone for their help, I’m not trashing anyone. But I also need help from you guys improve on what I got. The shakes are one of the things I cant rly change, I can take them out but then Ill only have like 200g protein. IMO its better to drink the shakes then lose 60g of protein on a diet.

I know I should have more but I cant fit it in with my budget. Ill try to whenever I can though.

Plus, not to sound weird but, ppl do use shakes in their diets and they have lost weight, I’ve seen it before so it IS possible but apparently not ideal. I just dont like the talk of ppl saying “you wont lose weight unless you lose the shakes.”

I recently posted some small changes I made. My cals are at like 2300 now, can you guys check out what I listed and help me make that as good as I can make it?

(tell me if u want the picture of me, if it helps guess my bf)

THANKS EVERYONE!!!

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[quote]moofs wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions. Will try to adapt some of those to my diet.

Only problem is, stuff like the steak and all isn’t gonna happen for me. I’m 17 with school 5 days a week. Money/ time wise some of this doesnt rly fit in. I had an extra meal in the end but had to combine it with another to fit it all in.[/quote]

I know what you mean about the steak, but stay on top of your markets!
Go call research , wholefoods, For me New seasons, Trader joes,
other natural places wild oats, and go where the sales are!

often times sirloin for 399 a lb and london broil for 199 lb.

sorry to see how this post got turned into a bunch of crap! people on here can be like andropase or something

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[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
moofs wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions. Will try to adapt some of those to my diet.

Only problem is, stuff like the steak and all isn’t gonna happen for me. I’m 17 with school 5 days a week. Money/ time wise some of this doesnt rly fit in. I had an extra meal in the end but had to combine it with another to fit it all in.

I know what you mean about the steak, but stay on top of your markets!
Go call research , wholefoods, For me New seasons, Trader joes,
other natural places wild oats, and go where the sales are!

often times sirloin for 399 a lb and london broil for 199 lb.

sorry to see how this post got turned into a bunch of crap! people on here can be like andropase or something[/quote]

thanks,
I will do that, like said up above. Ill drink the shakes when I have to but if I can get my hands on a steak or more meat I will use that instead. Hopefully I can do that a few times a week.

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I actually pick up bison patties at Trader Joes, under $6 for 4 of 'em (my freezer’s absolutely packed with em!)

S

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Moofs,

The BEST advice I can give you is to listen to everything Laroyal tells you. I have recently had my biosignnature test done and it was quite an eye opener.

Hormone inbalance is what Laroyal is discussing earlier and HMoUCF87 seems to be from the OLD SCOOL and is not really up to date with the latest progressions in nutrition etc.

I myself would have dissed everything Laroyal has said and backed JMoUCF87 a few months ago…but since the knowledge gained on biosig and the importance of taking in certain nutrients for your body type, I have been well convinced.

You are VERY lucky to have Laroyal give this advice for free bro…Most coaches who do biosignature testing charge a wack to give you half the info he has, relative to your problem, rather than …its simple, eat less calories.

I have many friends who think I talk sht, until I prove them wrong with results, and that shuts them well up. I really dont think Layoral cares, but JMoUCF87 should have a bit more respect before calling him stupid.

He fucking trains clients of a regular basis, AND PROVES HIS KNOWLEDGE WITH RESULTS, results even more impressive than what you would see from simply lowering calories…which you will, but lean muscle mass, relative strength may be sacrificed, which I dont think you want ey.

I should also mention, that I have learned a fair bit over time, trying and testing various diet/training protocols to obtain best results, but I figured cutting to the chase and getting my biosig done to fine tune my current protocols(providing they are right, which they are working, so must be, haha) would save me tons of money and time!

The coach Im working with has put it simply, that if I dont see the results he has promised, he will pay for ALL the Supplements and food he has recommended I take…simply as that, no bullshit, he doesn’t want me to keep coming back to spend money with him, cuz once I find out whats wrong and how to fix it FOR ME, I will know for good…Now u are getting some of this advice for FREE from Laroyal and others, so take it bro.

Good luck on you journey homie.

GJ

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
laroyal wrote:
Hey great to hear from you ksommer:-)

People need to realize that kcals are not always the most important part of the equation, it is nutrients. Consider the TEF (thermic effect of food) if you eat 3000 kcals of protein, fat, and carbohydrate there are going to be 3 signifigantly different outcomes and I am sure we can all agree on this.

That does not even factor in the effect of hormones. When you look at the best bodybuilders in the world I am sure we can agree on 2 points. 1.) they are huge & ripped 2.) they are not natural.

This being said, we know they eat about they same foods most people on this site do infact, some people on here try to emulate their diets to no avail.

The “x” factor is hormonal enviornment and if we can optimize our own with the right food and supplement choices wouldn’t you agree our physiques will reflect this more than a “500 kcal” reduction.

Calories are a small slice of the physique pie and obsessing over them is foolish. Heck, if you keep lowering those kcals as some here have suggested your thyroid will down regulate, your ability to oxidize BCAA’s will be comprimised and you will loose muscle (the ultimate fat burning furnace), and your leptin production will be decreased.

Look no further than better food choices and I am confident you will reach your goals. IMO your kcals are already on the low end.

you really are dumb aren’t you? i don’t care who’s certification you got, you can go back and tell them that you’re getting schooled in nutrition by a 20 year old communications major. Ok, now on to what you wrote…

first of all, energy balance (energy intake vs. energy expenditure) is the bottom line in weight loss. Similarly “fat balance” (fat intake vs. fat oxidation) is the bottom line in fat loss.

Thermodynamics teaches that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form. Nobody on earth is exempt from this law. The thermic effect of food does not disprove this law, it only means that some of the calories are expended in the process of digestion but the energy is still accounted for. Calories STILL count.

Secondly, nobody is suggesting that anyone eat 3,000 calories of any single macornutrient, as anyone who doesn’t have their head up their ass will tell you that all three should be present in a diet to some degree.

Moving on to your point about pro bodybuilders…if you think that anyone on THIS SITE (with perhaps the exception of a few very large individuals) eats the way they do, you are a bigger fucking moron than I thought.

if you want to “optimize the hormonal environment” go abuse some pharmaceuticals like pro bodybuilders do, cause that’s about all you can do. YOU YOURSELF stated that they are not natural, so why even make the comparison? apples to oranges much?

You stated to “focus on calories is foolish”…umm, no it isn’t. What’s foolish is believing that certain food choices (i.e. natural vs. regular PB or brown rice vs. white rice) will have any effect on fat loss given equal calories (hint: they don’t)

To quote from an article by Matthew Perryman, CSCS: “The magic of clean eating then is not because of the quality of the foods, but rather the simple fact that “clean” foods on average have less calories for any given amount. The “clean” dieter has
thus reduced his or her calorie intake simply by changing food choices.”

Read that again, and focus on the part about REDUCING ONES CALORIC INTAKE.

Finally, you wrote that if one continues to reduce ones caloric intake, he will experience some degree of metabolic shutdown. Yes, this is a valid point.

However,

(1) someone at 25% BF has a long way to go before this becomes an issue (typically when ones tries to go from 10-12% to single digit this becomes more of a problem) and

(2) that’s precisely the reason you shouldn’t diet for long stretches of time before taking a 2 week “break”, where one raises the calories to maintenance levels or slightly above and increase carbs to non-ketogenic levels (i.e. over 100g per day)

beyond that, when dieting down to single digit levels, a cycical ketogenic diet should be implemented in which regular high carbs refeeds are used to prevent metabolic slowdown.

However, the OP needs not to be concerned with all this until he reaches a significant degree of leanness. Right now he needs to focus on (1) ensuring a sufficent protein intake (1-1.5g per lb.) and creating a energy deficit (through increased training, decreased food intake, or both)

/thread[/quote]

So let me guess, you recommend using a cyclical ketogenic diet why again? Those carbs don’t do anything to your hormones do they?

Drop your testosterone and tell me how easy it is to gain muscle or stay lean. Go ahead, just do it. I don’t care how many calories you are eating, of what quality, of what macro. You will not see results without adequate anabolic hormones. If you knew anything about BioSig (hint: you don’t) you wouldn’t be talking at all right now.

Finally, it is very, very possible to gain muscle and lose fat at once, especially in a 25% bodyfat individual. You are right in that the energy goes somewhere… and guess what determines that?

Bingo, hormones. I took the class with laroyal, and I can testify to his knowledge AND his physique, which I’m sure has only improved since he now is armed with the knowledge of BioSignature.

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JMoUCF87

my body is going to react very differently if I eat 1500cals of sugar for my daily caloric intake as opposed to me eating 1500cals of protein

some things are simple overall. Over all it is caloric deficit, but in that you have nutrition which is a whole different ball game.

mustard is a digestive irritant, what if I ate nothing but mustard all day?

you can be overfed and malnourished

and why so snarky? your post loses credibility why you ramp up the asshole factor.

laroyal, thanks for all your help with my questions. You’ve always been a good source for info and willing to take the time to answer questions and give advice.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
laroyal wrote:
Hey great to hear from you ksommer:-)

People need to realize that kcals are not always the most important part of the equation, it is nutrients. Consider the TEF (thermic effect of food) if you eat 3000 kcals of protein, fat, and carbohydrate there are going to be 3 signifigantly different outcomes and I am sure we can all agree on this.

That does not even factor in the effect of hormones. When you look at the best bodybuilders in the world I am sure we can agree on 2 points. 1.) they are huge & ripped 2.) they are not natural.

This being said, we know they eat about they same foods most people on this site do infact, some people on here try to emulate their diets to no avail.

The “x” factor is hormonal enviornment and if we can optimize our own with the right food and supplement choices wouldn’t you agree our physiques will reflect this more than a “500 kcal” reduction.

Calories are a small slice of the physique pie and obsessing over them is foolish. Heck, if you keep lowering those kcals as some here have suggested your thyroid will down regulate, your ability to oxidize BCAA’s will be comprimised and you will loose muscle (the ultimate fat burning furnace), and your leptin production will be decreased.

Look no further than better food choices and I am confident you will reach your goals. IMO your kcals are already on the low end.

you really are dumb aren’t you? i don’t care who’s certification you got, you can go back and tell them that you’re getting schooled in nutrition by a 20 year old communications major. Ok, now on to what you wrote…

first of all, energy balance (energy intake vs. energy expenditure) is the bottom line in weight loss. Similarly “fat balance” (fat intake vs. fat oxidation) is the bottom line in fat loss.

Thermodynamics teaches that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form. Nobody on earth is exempt from this law. The thermic effect of food does not disprove this law, it only means that some of the calories are expended in the process of digestion but the energy is still accounted for. Calories STILL count.

Secondly, nobody is suggesting that anyone eat 3,000 calories of any single macornutrient, as anyone who doesn’t have their head up their ass will tell you that all three should be present in a diet to some degree.

Moving on to your point about pro bodybuilders…if you think that anyone on THIS SITE (with perhaps the exception of a few very large individuals) eats the way they do, you are a bigger fucking moron than I thought.

if you want to “optimize the hormonal environment” go abuse some pharmaceuticals like pro bodybuilders do, cause that’s about all you can do. YOU YOURSELF stated that they are not natural, so why even make the comparison? apples to oranges much?

You stated to “focus on calories is foolish”…umm, no it isn’t. What’s foolish is believing that certain food choices (i.e. natural vs. regular PB or brown rice vs. white rice) will have any effect on fat loss given equal calories (hint: they don’t)

To quote from an article by Matthew Perryman, CSCS: “The magic of clean eating then is not because of the quality of the foods, but rather the simple fact that “clean” foods on average have less calories for any given amount. The “clean” dieter has
thus reduced his or her calorie intake simply by changing food choices.”

Read that again, and focus on the part about REDUCING ONES CALORIC INTAKE.

Finally, you wrote that if one continues to reduce ones caloric intake, he will experience some degree of metabolic shutdown. Yes, this is a valid point.

However,

(1) someone at 25% BF has a long way to go before this becomes an issue (typically when ones tries to go from 10-12% to single digit this becomes more of a problem) and

(2) that’s precisely the reason you shouldn’t diet for long stretches of time before taking a 2 week “break”, where one raises the calories to maintenance levels or slightly above and increase carbs to non-ketogenic levels (i.e. over 100g per day)

beyond that, when dieting down to single digit levels, a cycical ketogenic diet should be implemented in which regular high carbs refeeds are used to prevent metabolic slowdown.

However, the OP needs not to be concerned with all this until he reaches a significant degree of leanness. Right now he needs to focus on (1) ensuring a sufficent protein intake (1-1.5g per lb.) and creating a energy deficit (through increased training, decreased food intake, or both)

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Why don’t you post a pic and tell us who you’ve trained?..teacher. I have better things to do than get in a pissing match with you…train clients. If the OP chooses to follow your advice then more power to him.

My results speak for themselves as do Dr. Serrano’s, Charles Poliquin’s, and Dennis James. Simply put, the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Have you ever competed or got someone into amazing shape where they won a show or event? Just because a few pounds don’t register on the scale doesn’t make you an expert…just a smaller fatter version of your current stature.

Drop the weight keep the muscle and make a living doing it for yourself and others, THEN come talk to me about your law of thermodynamics. I wouldn’t ask a mechanic to sew a quilt and I am pretty sure as a Biology major I know more science than a communications major.

I would love to pick your brain though about speaking presentaitons and I am being totally serious!

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laroyal, can you make any improvements to what I have listed a few posts back under what I fall under? I’m not “throwing ur advice aside.” Heck, I plan to take a bio sig class and poliquin level 2 certification in the future.

I live in Chicago and I’ve even been to his Chicago facility twice. I wish I could train there but its 1000 bucks to just sign up before ur first session. Hopefully in the future I can get a bio sig test done there by mike bystol, but like the problem I face, I dont have the money.

I’m gonna try to make my diet as shake free as possible but for when I cant…I just cant. Would you be willing to work with the problems I have listed I cant change? By that I mean with the shakes and everything.

btw: does anyone know how much protein one should get during breakfast. B/C I was thinking of maybe dropping that shake and throwing in a piece of chicken or somthing later on.

I’m just putting this out there for example, by the time I get home and back from training, if I add anymore bigger meals to my diet I would be eating basically every half hour.

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Fine, if you want to belive that insulin control, hormone manipulation (through diet, not drugs) and only eating “clean” vs. “dirty” foods is the prime determinent of weight gain / loss go ahead.

In the meantime I’ll continue to watch the caliper measurements get smaller, while eating fast food, icecream, and PB&J sandwiches (on white bread, no less) and whatever the hell else I want because I know how fat loss works. and it isn’t an opinon.

Before I go, consider this:

how is it that Michael Phelps is so lean, even though his diet contrains all sorts of “forbidden” foods.

Or how is it that natural bodybuilder Tommy Jeffers continues to eat sugary kiddy cereal only weeks out from a contest? (ISNT HE WORRIED ABOUT TEH INSULIN!??!1)

or how Martin Berkhan (of the website leangains.com) managed to get to single digit bodyfat while eating ice cream every day before bed?

could it be that they are just a mutant breed of human being that magically gets LEAN despite eating so called “junk” food on a regular basis? Or, could it be that they all understand calories in vs calories out, and dont waste their time worrying about things that dont matter.

I hope you enjoy those eating disorders fellas. I hope you like your dinner of boiled chicken breast w/ macadamia nut oil and baby spinach (I’d hate for you to spike your insulin or anything)

.In the meantime, I’m going to sit down to my lunch of tuna noodle casserole. (~450 cal, 50g pro, 50g carbs, 6g fat) it fits perfectly into my macros for the day :slight_smile:

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
Fine, if you want to belive that insulin control, hormone manipulation (through diet, not drugs) and only eating “clean” vs. “dirty” foods is the prime determinent of weight gain / loss go ahead.

In the meantime I’ll continue to watch the caliper measurements get smaller, while eating fast food, icecream, and PB&J sandwiches (on white bread, no less) and whatever the hell else I want because I know how fat loss works. and it isn’t an opinon.

Before I go, consider this:

how is it that Michael Phelps is so lean, even though his diet contrains all sorts of “forbidden” foods.

Or how is it that natural bodybuilder Tommy Jeffers continues to eat sugary kiddy cereal only weeks out from a contest? (ISNT HE WORRIED ABOUT TEH INSULIN!??!1)

or how Martin Berkhan (of the website leangains.com) managed to get to single digit bodyfat while eating ice cream every day before bed?

could it be that they are just a mutant breed of human being that magically gets LEAN despite eating so called “junk” food on a regular basis? Or, could it be that they all understand calories in vs calories out, and dont waste their time worrying about things that dont matter.

I hope you enjoy those eating disorders fellas. I hope you like your dinner of boiled chicken breast w/ macadamia nut oil and baby spinach (I’d hate for you to spike your insulin or anything)

.In the meantime, I’m going to sit down to my lunch of tuna noodle casserole. (~450 cal, 50g pro, 50g carbs, 6g fat) it fits perfectly into my macros for the day :-)[/quote]

I’ve just got to say,… I’ve been on this site along time, and usually think of myself as one of the veterans on here. Still, I’ll occassionally learn something from someone else, and have no problem admiting as such.

There is a way to disagree, or present an alternative argument to someone without being an ass. You might want to google that info, as you sorely seem to be lacking.

S

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[quote]moofs wrote:
laroyal, can you make any improvements to what I have listed a few posts back under what I fall under? I’m not “throwing ur advice aside.” Heck, I plan to take a bio sig class and poliquin level 2 certification in the future.

I live in Chicago and I’ve even been to his Chicago facility twice. I wish I could train there but its 1000 bucks to just sign up before ur first session. Hopefully in the future I can get a bio sig test done there by mike bystol, but like the problem I face, I dont have the money.

I’m gonna try to make my diet as shake free as possible but for when I cant…I just cant. Would you be willing to work with the problems I have listed I cant change? By that I mean with the shakes and everything.

btw: does anyone know how much protein one should get during breakfast. B/C I was thinking of maybe dropping that shake and throwing in a piece of chicken or somthing later on.

I’m just putting this out there for example, by the time I get home and back from training, if I add anymore bigger meals to my diet I would be eating basically every half hour.[/quote]

If you are deadset on sticking with the protein powdeer option try at least rotating the types for a more complete amino spectrum. Additionally try the following recipie for your shakes:

2 Scoops Metabolic Drive (or any of the other protein powders I have recommended).
1 Whole Omega 3 egg (run it under warm tap h2o for a minute to break the ativan bonds in the egg white for better digestion
1 T greek yogurt
1/8th cup Dark berries (blueberries, strawberries or rasberries work well)
2 cups frozen organic spinach or broccoli (it will turn the shake green buut you won’t taste it:-)
16-20oz H2o

Shakes are not optimal but that is a much better option than just some powder.

In terms of your protein intake I am a firm believer in 2.0grams/ lb bw. Protein has a greater thermic effect than any other macro and often times UPPING your protein to 2.0grams/ lb bw will have a leaning effect. From this figure simply divide you protein requirement by 6 or 7 (number of meals you eat) and consume that amount (it will be in grams) per meal.

Hope that helps.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
Fine, if you want to belive that insulin control, hormone manipulation (through diet, not drugs) and only eating “clean” vs. “dirty” foods is the prime determinent of weight gain / loss go ahead.

In the meantime I’ll continue to watch the caliper measurements get smaller, while eating fast food, icecream, and PB&J sandwiches (on white bread, no less) and whatever the hell else I want because I know how fat loss works. and it isn’t an opinon.

Before I go, consider this:

how is it that Michael Phelps is so lean, even though his diet contrains all sorts of “forbidden” foods.

Or how is it that natural bodybuilder Tommy Jeffers continues to eat sugary kiddy cereal only weeks out from a contest? (ISNT HE WORRIED ABOUT TEH INSULIN!??!1)

or how Martin Berkhan (of the website leangains.com) managed to get to single digit bodyfat while eating ice cream every day before bed?

could it be that they are just a mutant breed of human being that magically gets LEAN despite eating so called “junk” food on a regular basis? Or, could it be that they all understand calories in vs calories out, and dont waste their time worrying about things that dont matter.

I hope you enjoy those eating disorders fellas. I hope you like your dinner of boiled chicken breast w/ macadamia nut oil and baby spinach (I’d hate for you to spike your insulin or anything)

.In the meantime, I’m going to sit down to my lunch of tuna noodle casserole. (~450 cal, 50g pro, 50g carbs, 6g fat) it fits perfectly into my macros for the day :-)[/quote]

Still waiting on the pictures of you and your clients:-) I guess they will be in your upcoming nutrition article on this site eh’. Enjoy your meal and good luck with your goals!

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One thing I think JMoUCF87 is overlooking and has not been mentioned by anyone else is the health benefits of eating 3,000 kcals of “clean” food vs. 3,000 kcals of “junk”. And I don’t think you can debate much which one wins if you want the added health benefits.

Also I think it’s vrey irresponsible to tell an overweight person that they can eat what they want as long as they keep their energy balance in check, because they:

a) probably already have some health problems that eating junk can cause

b) they obvisouly have bad eating habbits (i.e. no concept of portion control) or they wouldn’t be in the situation that they are in the first place

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ya know, i try and leave this thread be, but you people keep saying stupid shit, so i have to keep coming back and correcting you.

first of all what i said was not “irresponsible”. explain to me how this is irresponsible:

(1) ensure sufficient protein intake (again ~1.5g / lb.)
(2) get sufficient amounts of micronutrients from fruits and/or veggies and (for health reasons)
(3) keep your calories in check so your body is forced to use stored energy (i.e. fat) to cover the deficit
oh yeah and (4) lift heavy things so your body has a reason to keep the muscle (though this isn’t much of a concern at 25% BF anyway)

you said yourself, overweight individuals have “no concept of portion control”. so how does telling them “calories don’t count” help?

portion control = calorie control. fat people don’t do this. the result: they stay fat.

what IS irresponsible is telling someone who is experiencing a weight loss plateau that:
(1) calories don’t count and
(2) making them think they need to buy expensive and worthless supplements (HCL) and/or do wacky things like drink a shake with “orgnic blueberries, 1 whole omega-3 egg, spinach, and 1 tbsp greek yogurt” to lose weight.

So tell me, why is it my roommate who plays rugby and water polo so lean, yet eats frozen pizzas and hot pockets?

I KNOW, he must be taking his HCL and drinking his “organic blueberry omega-3 egg spinach greek yogurt shakes” when i’m not looking? :-/

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JMoUCF87,

I understand your concepts and as I may have mentioned above I too would have backed EVERYTHING you have said up until recently, when I learned a whole lot more about biosignature.

One thing I have learned in life, is that you should strive to PROGRESS, learn more about everything you can…this “GAME” we are in(bodybuilding) is evolving as science does and we learn more about how to IMPROVE…Sure, your concepts may work, but may not work anywhere near as well.

I have a few friend who are just like YOU, very hard headed, once they have made their mind up about an issue, thats it…and they will argue all damm week if they have to, until I prove them wrong. These guys too, dont believe in much when they read newer approachs to certain things in life, not just training etc.

Using a handful of examples of people are NOT the way to go dude…Clearly, these guys are genetically gifted, whereby there hormone levels are not a major issue and not out on balance. Heck, I have a freind who trains at my gym, just like you…eats whatever he bloody wants, gains size and strength and IF he starts getting a bit flabby, he eats a tub of ice-cream every second day instead of every night…haha, pissing me off, because I certainly do not have those types of genetics!!. ITS VERY RARE.

Clearly, there are far more examples of people making progress in the bodybuilding industrie eating better than worse bro.

This said, you recommendations are not outrageous, given that you suggested high protein, veggies, fruit etc…but it certainly does not warrant you calling ANYONE stupid, nor do you have any experience with working with athletes…like I said, using examples from the genetically gifted or yourself, certainly does not back your ideas and why he should listen to you.

GJ

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The other finer point of detail that JMoUCF87 is missing is that the body will prefer to tap into a particular energy store depending on the energy COST, i.e. lower energy cost = more preferable. It is NOT as simple as energy balance and “Laws of Thermodynamics” (are you seriously that naive?) We are not talking about a physical experiment conducted on a few atoms and in a lab. We are talking about the human body. Even at different points throughout the day the body will process stuff differently. Thermodynamic laws get pissed on.

If your carnival schtick of being a cunt has worked for you in the past, great, otherwise you should stop acting your shoe size and respect different viewpoints; I have yet to see Berardi, CT or any of the authors on this site talk so much shit toward people they disagree with it, and I bet they’d be nobodies had they done so. Even among the academic elite, everyone is considered a peer and their input equally valid.

Communications major? Blow me. Bring knee pads.

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biosig is pseudoscience at best. Take a look at this video for example:

Ok, first of all the guy confuses “cortisol” and “cortisone” (2:45) yeah…real advanced pal. secondly, cotiSOL impacts the accumulation of visceral fat, not subcutaneous abdominal fat (stike 2) and finally he says something about getting her to a “healthy” 12-14% bodyfat, which is fine, if you’re a guy, not so much for a woman (who wants a period anyway, right?) so i believe that is strike three for the biosig guy. says a lot about poliquins certification doesn’t it? seems like he’s just “certifying” a bunch of supplement salesmen, no?

furthermore, there’s a difference between being “hard headed” and not believing in bro-science “hormone imbalances” (humor me, how can you tell his hormonal profile from a single forum post?) I don’t believe in the tooth fairy either, does that mean that I’m too “dogmatic” and “old school”?

if anything, it’s YOU who are the dogmatic ones: believing that given equal calories / macros 6 meal per day will have any different effect than 3 meal per day (it doesn’t) or that 50g of protein from an organic cage free hen is any different than 50g of protein from a grilled chicken sandwich from Mcdonalds (it isn’t) or that the body can tell the difference between a molecule of glucose from a piece of wonder bread than a molecule of glucose from a bowl of oatmeal (it can’t)

if the OP has two choices (1) waste money on expensive whole food sources of protein and choke down spinach/blueberry shakes and worry all night if his “hormonal environment” is just right for magical fat burning to happen or (2) do it my way and cut back on the almonds, drop the olive oil shooter, and replace his coconut oil with cooking spray.

One way has been proven by decades of empirical and anecdotal evidence. The other way lets you impress all your buddies by telling them you drink spinach like Popeye.

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You have certainly made up your mind, which is cool. All I care about is results nothing more.

GJ

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
ya know, i try and leave this thread be, but you people keep saying stupid shit, so i have to keep coming back and correcting you.

first of all what i said was not “irresponsible”. explain to me how this is irresponsible:

(1) ensure sufficient protein intake (again ~1.5g / lb.)
(2) get sufficient amounts of micronutrients from fruits and/or veggies and (for health reasons)
(3) keep your calories in check so your body is forced to use stored energy (i.e. fat) to cover the deficit
oh yeah and (4) lift heavy things so your body has a reason to keep the muscle (though this isn’t much of a concern at 25% BF anyway)

you said yourself, overweight individuals have “no concept of portion control”. so how does telling them “calories don’t count” help?

portion control = calorie control. fat people don’t do this. the result: they stay fat.

what IS irresponsible is telling someone who is experiencing a weight loss plateau that:
(1) calories don’t count and
(2) making them think they need to buy expensive and worthless supplements (HCL) and/or do wacky things like drink a shake with “orgnic blueberries, 1 whole omega-3 egg, spinach, and 1 tbsp greek yogurt” to lose weight.

So tell me, why is it my roommate who plays rugby and water polo so lean, yet eats frozen pizzas and hot pockets?

I KNOW, he must be taking his HCL and drinking his “organic blueberry omega-3 egg spinach greek yogurt shakes” when i’m not looking? :-/[/quote]

It is easy to sit there and critique something you don’t understand. I am still waiting for some proof, a picture of you or someone you train or for that matter your “ripped” roomate. If what you do works for you and your clients? then by all means keep doing it.

The system that myself and ksommer uses works for us, our clients and is backed by 26 years of data, The success of Charles on not only an average perosn’s level but with olympians and pro athletes and T-Nation’s own CT. If what you do is so much more efficient and productive I would say you are selling yourself short in the communication’s field. Start contacting some pro teams or celebs and show em what you can do, people pay for results and results keep them comoing back!