c’mon OG, don’t leave me hanging, what’s wrong with eggplant!?
[quote]G87 wrote:
c’mon OG, don’t leave me hanging, what’s wrong with eggplant!?[/quote]
JICAMA
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 small raw (365.0 g)
Amount Per Serving
Calories
140
% Daily Value*
Sodium
15mg
1%
Total Carbohydrates
32.0g
11%
Dietary Fiber
18.0g
72%
Sugars
8.0g
Protein
3.0g
Vitamin A 0% ? Vitamin C 120%
Calcium 4% ? Iron 10%
EGGPLANT
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 cup (1" cubes) (99.0 g)
Amount Per Serving
Calories
33
Calories from Fat
2
% Daily Value*
Total Fat
0.2g
0%
Saturated Fat
0.0g
0%
Polyunsaturated Fat
0.1g
Monounsaturated Fat
0.0g
Cholesterol
0mg
0%
Sodium
237mg
10%
Total Carbohydrates
8.1g
3%
Dietary Fiber
2.5g
10%
Sugars
3.2g
Protein
0.8g
Vitamin A 1% ? Vitamin C 2%
Calcium 1% ? Iron 1%
WATER CHESTNUTS
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1/2 cup (130.0 g)
Amount Per Serving
Calories
50
% Daily Value*
Sodium
25mg
1%
Total Carbohydrates
12.0g
4%
Dietary Fiber
4.0g
16%
Sugars
3.0g
Protein
1.0g
Vitamin A 0% ? Vitamin C 2%
Calcium 0% ? Iron 10%
DANG… I wish the cell boxes stay when you cut and paste.
For me I keep to less than 30gs of carbs a day so the ratio of carbs with those sugars and lack of protein would not be something I would be eating.
I probably am at the extreme end of things so I am probably the exception to this one.
It is a great list of low-calorie vegetables. Thanks to the OP for it.
But that is all that it should be called.
While it’s tempting to call 35 calories – a typical value for a modest amount of these things – so negligible as to be nothing, that often does not wind up being so.
For example I could easily eat six 35 calorie servings of these things over the course of a day while keeping the rest of my diet the same, while dieting.
Not it would NOT cause me to eat less of what I was otherwise planning, and being “free” – if I believed it – why would I cut back my macronutrients to accomodate the change of adding these?
But 210 calores a day, 6300 a month, makes no difference? Relative to a goal of losing say 4-5 lb of fat a month or something like that?
Yes it does.
(And no it does NOT take 210 extra calories a day to digest these six small additions to the daily diet.)
There should be viewed as low-calorie, not “free.”
And for those believing in adhering to particular low gram figures for daily carbs, the extra 54 or whatever grams of carbs of having just one say 36-or-so calorie serving per meal say 6 times per day would not fit in as being “free” by their standards either.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It is a great list of low-calorie vegetables. Thanks to the OP for it.
But that is all that it should be called.
While it’s tempting to call 35 calories – a typical value for a modest amount of these things – so negligible as to be nothing, that often does not wind up being so.
For example I could easily eat six 35 calorie servings of these things over the course of a day while keeping the rest of my diet the same, while dieting.
Not it would NOT cause me to eat less of what I was otherwise planning, and being “free” – if I believed it – why would I cut back my macronutrients to accomodate the change of adding these?
But 210 calores a day, 6300 a month, makes no difference? Relative to a goal of losing say 4-5 lb of fat a month or something like that?
Yes it does.
(And no it does NOT take 210 extra calories a day to digest these six small additions to the daily diet.)
There should be viewed as low-calorie, not “free.”
And for those believing in adhering to particular low gram figures for daily carbs, the extra 54 or whatever grams of carbs of having just one say 36-or-so calorie serving per meal say 6 times per day would not fit in as being “free” by their standards either.
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so I suppose this is the line of thinking that since there are 3500Kcal in a pound of fat, this 6300 extra calories a month would obviously make us gain about 2 pounds of fat a month. this way of extrapolating numbers and making the human body a numbers cruncher, and not a biological machine is going too far here i think
You can think what you want but I’ve observed that a couple hundred calories a day DOES make a difference in the dieting situation where everything is controlled and known and of the rate of planned fat loss I referred to.
But if you want to believe the calories are “free” with zero consequence, somehow differing from other calories, it’s a free country (no pun intended.)
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
You can think what you want but I’ve observed that a couple hundred calories a day DOES make a difference in the dieting situation where everything is controlled and known and of the rate of planned fat loss I referred to.
But if you want to believe the calories are “free” with zero consequence, somehow differing from other calories, it’s a free country (no pun intended.)[/quote]
pun enjoyed
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
You can think what you want but I’ve observed that a couple hundred calories a day DOES make a difference in the dieting situation where everything is controlled and known and of the rate of planned fat loss I referred to.
But if you want to believe the calories are “free” with zero consequence, somehow differing from other calories, it’s a free country (no pun intended.)[/quote]
Bill,
If Poliquin and some of the other experts say to count these as free… could they be saying that because of all the extra calorie expenditure it takes to digest the fiber in some of these veggies? Sure, you could ingest 35 impact carbs quite easily with some of these, but, with the slow digestion, low insulin response, and the time it would take to digest them along with the rest of the meal… wouldnt that certainly even out some of those extra calories that we count as impact carbs? Just wondering your opinion… I guess thats the way I rationalize away some of my broccoli, cucumber, brussel sprout binges when I diet. Tks
Nice list. Be aware that alfalfa sprouts contain phytoestrogens, though.
[quote]tiddles wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
You can think what you want but I’ve observed that a couple hundred calories a day DOES make a difference in the dieting situation where everything is controlled and known and of the rate of planned fat loss I referred to.
But if you want to believe the calories are “free” with zero consequence, somehow differing from other calories, it’s a free country (no pun intended.)
Bill,
If Poliquin and some of the other experts say to count these as free… could they be saying that because of all the extra calorie expenditure it takes to digest the fiber in some of these veggies? Sure, you could ingest 35 impact carbs quite easily with some of these, but, with the slow digestion, low insulin response, and the time it would take to digest them along with the rest of the meal… wouldnt that certainly even out some of those extra calories that we count as impact carbs? Just wondering your opinion… I guess thats the way I rationalize away some of my broccoli, cucumber, brussel sprout binges when I diet. Tks[/quote]
I believe, Poliquin and others refer to celery, cucumbers and broccoli/brussel sprouts. However, bingeing on some other things = e.g. tomatoes and the list that OG brought up, may hinder progress.
[quote]Cal Jones wrote:
Nice list. Be aware that alfalfa sprouts contain phytoestrogens, though.[/quote]
Yea, in a smaller amount than contained in flax seeds, soy beans, tofu, multigrain bread, garlic, apricots, and many other common foods.
For example a serving of garlic has 603.6 phytoestrogen ug/100g verse alfalfa spourts has 441.1.
^ sorry I couldn’t figure out how to get the scientific symbols to work.
[quote]tiddles wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
You can think what you want but I’ve observed that a couple hundred calories a day DOES make a difference in the dieting situation where everything is controlled and known and of the rate of planned fat loss I referred to.
But if you want to believe the calories are “free” with zero consequence, somehow differing from other calories, it’s a free country (no pun intended.)
Bill,
If Poliquin and some of the other experts say to count these as free… could they be saying that because of all the extra calorie expenditure it takes to digest the fiber in some of these veggies? Sure, you could ingest 35 impact carbs quite easily with some of these, but, with the slow digestion, low insulin response, and the time it would take to digest them along with the rest of the meal… wouldnt that certainly even out some of those extra calories that we count as impact carbs? Just wondering your opinion… I guess thats the way I rationalize away some of my broccoli, cucumber, brussel sprout binges when I diet. Tks[/quote]
No, as I said it doesn’t take 210 calories per day extra digestive work to handle, say, a tomato eaten with each of six meals, or one serving each meal of each or any mix of those choices.
Just because a given Famous Name Trainer says something – nothing in particular about Poliquin, I am speaking in general – does not mean that it is necessarily true, particularly to a high degree of precision.
In SOME context the statement usually will have usefulness. That is different than taking such concepts further than they should be: which the Famous Name Trainer’s words often will be stated as.
For example, here, I think this is a true and useful concept:
Generally speaking athletes eating as they ordinarily do can add these foods to their meals and not worry about extra calories.
However, taking words intended to get this across – “these calories are free” – into contexts such as the bodybuilder with a precise diet which will remain exactly the same but for having these potential additions or not, or the low-carb dieter being very precise about his carbs, and now concluding that they are “free” in these contexts is being too literal with the words of Famous Name Trainers.
How are avocados in this thread? One, they’re a fruit, no? and they have about 300 calories in one of them
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
However, taking words intended to get this across – “these calories are free” – into contexts such as the bodybuilder with a precise diet which will remain exactly the same but for having these potential additions or not, or the low-carb dieter being very precise about his carbs, and now concluding that they are “free” in these contexts is being too literal with the words of Famous Name Trainers.
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Bill,
For the record I agree with you on this. I simply titled this thread according to several of the low carb diets out there and how they refer to veggies.
Hell I don’t even fallow low carb diets 
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
How are avocados in this thread? One, they’re a fruit, no? and they have about 300 calories in one of them[/quote]
Well this was origonally a low carb list, which they are.
Then the title got changed due to Bill’s points and that one now sticks out.
Good grief is everyone gonna bitch? haha
Y’all are a bunch of whiney bastards, you know that right? 
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
How are avocados in this thread? One, they’re a fruit, no? and they have about 300 calories in one of them
Well this was origonally a low carb list, which they are.
Then the title got changed due to Bill’s points and that one now sticks out.
Good grief is everyone gonna bitch? haha
Y’all are a bunch of whiney bastards, you know that right? :P[/quote]
I’m telling TC
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
How are avocados in this thread? One, they’re a fruit, no? and they have about 300 calories in one of them
Well this was origonally a low carb list, which they are.
Then the title got changed due to Bill’s points and that one now sticks out.
Good grief is everyone gonna bitch? haha
Y’all are a bunch of whiney bastards, you know that right?
I’m telling TC[/quote]
Haha d’oh! Not papa TC!
Bump.
I found this list to be incredibly helpful. I figured there might be other new guys out there who would appreciate it as well.
Many thanks to CrewPierce and to others who contributed.
- C.