A couple months I mentioned that I was in the process of being hired for a new job. It didn’t pan out, but at the time I was glad because as the hiring process went on it became more and more evident that there were internal issues with the company that would soon rear their head.
About a week after deciding to turn down the offer I was contacted by a headhunter about an available position at a logistics company. The initial phone interview was a disaster, I ended up having to reschedule and it seemed that the “hiring manager” never really got over that.
However, I impressed the sales manager and the owner enough that I was able to continue interviewing. This process has been going on for about a month now. I’ve gone to 4 different interview/meeting (totaling about 18 hours of my time), I’ve sat in on one of their Monday morning sales meetings (3hrs), I’ve had lunch with the sales manager (few hours), and I’ve even been texting one of the managers back and forth throughout.
Last week I finally told them that it was time shit or get off the pot. They told me I had the job and wanted to have me come back in to go over the compensation package. When I did we figured out that we were about 8k in compensation apart. One reason being is that the recruiter lied and told me that the salary was higher than what it is.
After hashing out the compensation (they didn’t budge at all really, I think they gave me a candy bar) yesterday, they told me to take a night decide and we’ll speak tomorrow. I called them today to tell them I wanted to take the job and they told me that they were pulling the offer. They said it didn’t seem like a right fit and they didn’t think I proved to them that I could get the job done.
I just spent a month of my life (in the busy season of my current job) going back and forth with this company, they gave me an offer, and even wanted to coach me through my resignation process at my current company to ensure that it went smoothly enough. And then out of fucking no where the guy tells me it’s not gonna happen now, maybe contact them at the end of the summer.
Honestly, I’m fucking pissed and I don’t really know where to go from here. I can’t believe that I have to go out and look for a job all over again, go through all that same bullshit again. Has this ever happened to anyone?
That’s shit, man. Do you think they pulled the offer because you couldn’t sell them on your salary proposal? If so, that’s bs. Like how fucked up would it be if that was the point? He “lies” to you about the salary. You request the aforementioned salary. They insist the actual salary is lower. They don’t budge, and therefore, you fail in their little lest.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
That’s shit, man. Do you think they pulled the offer because you couldn’t sell them on your salary proposal? If so, that’s bs. Like how fucked up would it be if that was the point? He “lies” to you about the salary. You request the aforementioned salary. They insist the actual salary is lower. They don’t budge, and therefore, you fail in their little lest.[/quote]
I’m not sure. In the beginning of the conversation he told me that the meeting yesterday and this issues we spoke about had put doubt in his mind, and after the meeting he told the owner that he didn’t think it would work. He then proceeded to tell me that during that meeting he felt that there were things that were presented that made him think that I wasn’t capable of performing the job at a high level.
But towards the end of our conversation he told me that he didn’t blame me for pushing for the original comp plan.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
That’s shit, man. Do you think they pulled the offer because you couldn’t sell them on your salary proposal? If so, that’s bs. Like how fucked up would it be if that was the point? He “lies” to you about the salary. You request the aforementioned salary. They insist the actual salary is lower. They don’t budge, and therefore, you fail in their little lest.[/quote]
I’m not sure. In the beginning of the conversation he told me that the meeting yesterday and this issues we spoke about had put doubt in his mind, and after the meeting he told the owner that he didn’t think it would work. He then proceeded to tell me that during that meeting he felt that there were things that were presented that made him think that I wasn’t capable of performing the job at a high level.
But towards the end of our conversation he told me that he didn’t blame me for pushing for the original comp plan. [/quote]
Doesn’t sound very professional to be frank although that could just be due to paraphrasing. Why high level? Is this a “you can or you can’t” type of job?
Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Be thankful it only cost you a month out of your life and not 3 years.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
That’s shit, man. Do you think they pulled the offer because you couldn’t sell them on your salary proposal? If so, that’s bs. Like how fucked up would it be if that was the point? He “lies” to you about the salary. You request the aforementioned salary. They insist the actual salary is lower. They don’t budge, and therefore, you fail in their little lest.[/quote]
I’m not sure. In the beginning of the conversation he told me that the meeting yesterday and this issues we spoke about had put doubt in his mind, and after the meeting he told the owner that he didn’t think it would work. He then proceeded to tell me that during that meeting he felt that there were things that were presented that made him think that I wasn’t capable of performing the job at a high level.
But towards the end of our conversation he told me that he didn’t blame me for pushing for the original comp plan. [/quote]
Doesn’t sound very professional to be frank although that could just be due to paraphrasing. Why high level? Is this a “you can or you can’t” type of job?[/quote]
I paraphrased a lil bit but he really did tell me that. It’s a sales job, I don’t know why they act like it’s saving the world.
That sucks. I know good jobs aren’t just raining down from the sky, but don’t dwell on this one too much. Look at what you did well and what could use some work and move on. I’ve had some that looked like sure shots and ended up failing, and others that seemed as dry as an arctic tundra that called before I even got home.
I agree with the Dr. This was probably not a good fit. My guess is that they pulled the offer because they were concerned, rightfully so, that you would not be happy there due to the 8k gap in compensation expectations. My guess is that they were worried you would treat their organization as a stop-gap until the next best thing came along.
From what you have told me, this is the fault of the headhunter. Organizations draw out the interview process all the time. That’s generally a good sign, as it shows that they choose their team with care. It is not their fault that the headhunter did not properly manage everyone’s expectations.
I would follow-up with the headhunter’s manager. Misleading you from the outset was a serious breach of professional ethics. He was fucking with your life for a chance - A CHANCE - at a commission.
Time to move on.
One time, I had a job interview, and they asked me “Why should we pick you over someone else?” (or something like that)
I said (with a completely straight face), “You shouldn’t. You should pick the most qualified person.”
The look on their faces was priceless. Guess they weren’t expecting that answer!
Got the job, but they turned out to be shit, so I got out of there.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Be thankful it only cost you a month out of your life and not 3 years.
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That’s what it’s sounding like.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
One time, I had a job interview, and they asked me “Why should we pick you over someone else?” (or something like that)
I said (with a completely straight face), “You shouldn’t. You should pick the most qualified person.”
The look on their faces was priceless. Guess they weren’t expecting that answer!
Got the job, but they turned out to be shit, so I got out of there. [/quote]
LOL
Flip that shit. Works 60% of the time, ALL THE TIME.
Welcome to job searching in the modern world man.
I was taught from an early age that where acceptance and rejection are concerned; it has more to do with them than you.
I once interviewed for a job where I was straight up about a blemish on my record from day 1 which they assured me was fine. I was offered the position to start about a month later. A week later I put in my 2 weeks (was going to take a week off in between) at my job at the time.
On Tuesday, the week before I started and the week after I had left my previous job, they called to tell me they were pulling my offer because of that blemish on my record. I was furious. I now had no job b/c of the dirty they had done to me and had to go on unemployment for a little bit. I lit into the hiring manager about her fuck up and lit that bridge on fire with gasoline. Fuck that company.
In the end, at least you still have your current position. You could be in a much worse spot.
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I would follow-up with the headhunter’s manager. Misleading you from the outset was a serious breach of professional ethics. He was fucking with your life for a chance - A CHANCE - at a commission.
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IMO these guy’s are scumbags and I refuse to deal with them if at all possible. The manager’s are probably even worse as they are the ones trying to incentivize their guy’s to turn leads into accepted offers and revenue.
Watch what you sign when you deal with them as well, as they are often compensated to the tune of your first year’s salary, which you are often legally obligated to pay back to the headhunter if you leave the company in a year.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I would follow-up with the headhunter’s manager. Misleading you from the outset was a serious breach of professional ethics. He was fucking with your life for a chance - A CHANCE - at a commission.
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IMO these guy’s are scumbags and I refuse to deal with them if at all possible. The manager’s are probably even worse as they are the ones trying to incentivize their guy’s to turn leads into accepted offers and revenue.
Watch what you sign when you deal with them as well, as they are often compensated to the tune of your first year’s salary, which you are often legally obligated to pay back to the headhunter if you leave the company in a year. [/quote]
My experience has been the opposite, but I have only dealt with one firm that specializes in higher-level staffing for finance and IT positions. They managed to pluck me out of my private consulting business and put me in a position that is a fantastic fit for me.
I had absolutely no complaints with the process, but it is not a stretch to imagine that many of them are, in fact, unscrupulous vultures.
I had a friend of mine work for a recruiting firm cold calling “professionals” for about six months. He hated it. To make any money at it, you pretty much have to sell your soul and turn into a “vulture”. Fuck that shit.
If they flipped on you like that, then you are probably lucky you didn’t end up working for them. Imagine how poorly they’d treat you once they got their hooks in. You dodged a bullet AND gained experience for your next interview process. I’m sure you learned a few lessons from this. Don’t look at it as a waste of time. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and apply what you’ve learned. Go get 'em!
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I once interviewed for a job where I was straight up about a blemish on my record from day 1 which they assured me was fine. I was offered the position to start about a month later. A week later I put in my 2 weeks (was going to take a week off in between) at my job at the time.
On Tuesday, the week before I started and the week after I had left my previous job, they called to tell me they were pulling my offer because of that blemish on my record. I was furious. I now had no job b/c of the dirty they had done to me and had to go on unemployment for a little bit. I lit into the hiring manager about her fuck up and lit that bridge on fire with gasoline. Fuck that company.
In the end, at least you still have your current position. You could be in a much worse spot.[/quote]
If that had happened in the states you would not have qualified for unemployment.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I once interviewed for a job where I was straight up about a blemish on my record from day 1 which they assured me was fine. I was offered the position to start about a month later. A week later I put in my 2 weeks (was going to take a week off in between) at my job at the time.
On Tuesday, the week before I started and the week after I had left my previous job, they called to tell me they were pulling my offer because of that blemish on my record. I was furious. I now had no job b/c of the dirty they had done to me and had to go on unemployment for a little bit. I lit into the hiring manager about her fuck up and lit that bridge on fire with gasoline. Fuck that company.
In the end, at least you still have your current position. You could be in a much worse spot.[/quote]
If that had happened in the states you would not have qualified for unemployment. [/quote]
Did you mean to quote me? I’m in DC (actually VA). And I most certainly did qualify- I had to explain the situation to the VEC but I was able to collect until I got back on my feet a month or so later.
“The Virginia Employment Commission (VEC) administers the unemployment insurance program that provides temporary financial assistance to individuals who become unemployed through no fault of their own.”
At no point was it a fault of my own. I was forthright with my information and they waited over 3 weeks after offering me the position to rescind the offer citing information they already had. At that point I had already left my previous job. I had to send proof of these correspondence, of course.