Looters

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Of the latter, I would not hesitate to call them animals. But I guess it’s what one would expect when you combine people who are none too bright with the kind of ideas that are preached to them over and over: namely, that corporations are evil and that they (minorities, poor, etc.) are not part of society and that society is biased against them. It’s not much of a stretch for them to combine that idea in their minds to come up with the idea that they are 1) entitled to other people’s things and 2) that anyone who actually owns more and better things than them probably got them through oppressing the little people and thus deserves to have his/her/its property stolen.

You cannot be surprised if those ideas are the crap they are fed, and what they believe.
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If that is what they believe and know to be true, can you blame them? Is it their fault?

If I’m taught that Santa Claus comes every year and brings gifts and every year there are gifts. No one ever in my lifetime tells me diferent and every year there are stills gifts. Why would I believe anything different?

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

If that is what they believe and know to be true, can you blame them? Is it their fault?

If I’m taught that Santa Claus comes every year and brings gifts and every year there are gifts. No one ever in my lifetime tells me diferent and every year there are stills gifts. Why would I believe anything different?[/quote]

Because you’re an adult and can seek information on your own. I don’t buy any excuse for what these pinheads are doing. If you need food & water fine, take it. I’m not sure anyone, included the rightful owner would consider that a punishable crime. Looting material good in a situation like this is inexcusable, and those who do it should be shot.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Taking bread and gatorade is quite different than taking TV’s.
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Anyone who’s ever lived in N.O. cannot possibly be surprised by the looting. I lived in Los Angeles for 15 years and my car was never broken into. It was broken into the first week I was in N.O. Every person I knew had their cars/homes broken into. The murder rate is one of the highest in the nation. People get shot for stopping to ask directions.

A girl was coming to dinner at our house one night – she shows up crying, in hysterics, because she was sitting at a stop light and a guy smashed a brick through the drivers side window next to her face, climbed across her and grabbed her purse and ran off.

Friends of ours from Berkley came to live for a few months, all open minded and innocent, only to leave full of hate at these criminals. They’re everywhere. The flood’s just giving them a chance to do what they do best.

Oh, and as far as the levee breaking? The fucking town’s below sea level, dipshits. Maybe if the politicians weren’t so busy feeding at the public trough year after year after year, they would have fucking taken steps to prevent just such a disaster.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Because you’re an adult and can seek information on your own.[/quote]

And what if I have never been taught to seek information on my own? My parents have never seeked information. Nor have their parents. Things just are the way the are. Information won’t change it–no one I know seeks new information.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
malonetd wrote:

If that is what they believe and know to be true, can you blame them? Is it their fault?

If I’m taught that Santa Claus comes every year and brings gifts and every year there are gifts. No one ever in my lifetime tells me diferent and every year there are stills gifts. Why would I believe anything different?

Because you’re an adult and can seek information on your own. I don’t buy any excuse for what these pinheads are doing. If you need food & water fine, take it. I’m not sure anyone, included the rightful owner would consider that a punishable crime. Looting material good in a situation like this is inexcusable, and those who do it should be shot.[/quote]

Are you forgetting the teachings of your Bible reddog? Would Jesus be smiling at you right now at you raised the gun sights on your fellow man. For those of you who on the religious threads are quite good at pledging your undying belief in the Lord you are quick to forget his most basic tenets.

When the question was raised “who was doing the looting?” what was the answer supposed to be? Poor black people? And what good does that accomplish, but to incite hateful commentary.

Oh, wait now I see… that poor black people who steal are the fault of democrats who preach dependency and they should be shot on sight.

That’s wonderful, I feel very religious all of a sudden does anybody know of a church I can go to and get to calling for assassinations, shootings on sight of minorities, calling grieving mothers pimps and whores, Oh, wait message just in from P. Robertson… the hurricane is biblical punishment from on high for Bush taking so many vacations and not sending that hit team down south quick enough.

Boy, it feels good to feel the brotherly love! Yeehaw!

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Which is why some of us don’t believe. When you get right down to it, what Jesus really taught isn’t practical. The whole turning the other cheek thing, thinking not of tomorrow, loving your enemies. In fact, those who try to live that way usually get killed. Just ask Jesus or Ghandi or Martin Luther King, Jr.

“The only people on earth who do not see Christ and His teachings as nonviolent are Christians.” - Ghandi

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This is clearly a combustible subject matter. I think we are all pretty much in agreement that taking the basic essentials for living (food, water, medicine, diapers) is fine in these situations because there are no open stores to procure these rightfully. Whichever side of the fence you’re on regarding looting, you still have to scratch your heads about stealing televisions when 1: your house is under water and 2: there is no electricity and there won’t be any for days.

If I’m doing any looting in this situation, I’d have to go with whoever said the sporting goods store. Head right to the outdoors dept and grab a canoe and lots of camping supplies. Then, shotguns and shells, fishing gear and then go over to the weights section and get a good workout in.

But seriously, it’s damn easy for us all to pontificate about how virtuous we would be in such situations, but unless we’ve been through it, we can hope how we would react, but we don’t really know for sure.

“God forbid you ever have to walk a mile in his shoes. 'Cause then you really might know what it’s like to have to lose.” - Everlast

One thing we can do is give our support to those down there, whether it is time, money, supplies or prayers (good thoughts for those aetheists and agnostics), they can use all we can give.

DB

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
That’s wonderful, I feel very religious all of a sudden does anybody know of a church I can go to and get to calling for assassinations, shootings on sight of minorities, calling grieving mothers pimps and whores, Oh, wait message just in from P. Robertson… the hurricane is biblical punishment from on high for Bush taking so many vacations and not sending that hit team down south quick enough.

Boy, it feels good to feel the brotherly love! Yeehaw![/quote]

And the elkster comes out of his sulking long enough to try and make one of his patented attacks. Anything to say about the subject matter? Nope. Just another cowardly attack. LOL!!

Bravo.

Do you feel tough now? Do you? I hope so.

I didn’t call a grieving mother a pimp and a whore - I called Sheehan a pimp and a whore. There’s a huge difference. But being blinded by the infatuation you have for my writing - you can’t see the point. So you feel compelled to reduce my argument to something you can understand. And you still get it wrong. Maybe you should just stay on the bench. You cost your team points whenever you open your mouth.

But you won’t listen. And you will continue your assault on the windmills. Great job, Don.

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[quote]futuredave wrote:

Which is why some of us don’t believe. When you get right down to it, what Jesus really taught isn’t practical. The whole turning the other cheek thing, thinking not of tomorrow, loving your enemies. In fact, those who try to live that way usually get killed. Just ask Jesus or Ghandi or Martin Luther King, Jr.

“The only people on earth who do not see Christ and His teachings as nonviolent are Christians.” - Ghandi[/quote]

I have to take umbrage at your hijack. Your points are just absurd. First of all, the “turn the other cheek” has been interpreted by many to mean lay back and take it. Another interpretation is that in the days of Christ, the Romans used a right backhand to the cheek to assert dominance over their subjects in a demeaning fashion. If one was to turn the other cheek, it was seen as an act of defiance
in that the slapper would not be able to deliver a backhand with the right hand, thus demeaning themselves to using their left hand.
I don’t really want to debate point by point as there are far more people on here more qualified to do this. I do feel sorry for anyone who doesn’t think its practical to live a decent life with some moral standards, an ability to forgive others and a willingness to feel some love for people they don’t know and understand. As for the quote of Ghandi, that is not assessing Christ’s teachings as much as the perceptions of Christians by the rest of the world. I’m not familiar with the quote and maybe it has been taken out of context, but anyone who has read the new testament and studied Christ’s teachings just a little cannot reasonably say that he taught anything remotely violent. And justifying non-Christian behavior as the only way to not meet a violent end is ludicrous.

DB

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rainjack, at least Cindy Sheehan puts her money where her mouth is which is far more then I can say about a bigot and a coward such as yourself. Do I feel tough now? Kinda of like when you pick fights with women and teenagers on the Internet. No, I guess, I don’t feel as tough as you do at those times.

But, I guess living on a website 24/7 would do that to someone with a weak ego and weaker character. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:

Are you forgetting the teachings of your Bible reddog? Would Jesus be smiling at you right now at you raised the gun sights on your fellow man. For those of you who on the religious threads are quite good at pledging your undying belief in the Lord you are quick to forget his most basic tenets. [/quote]

I’m no Bible scholar, & have never claimed to be one, but if you can show me where it says crime should not be punished I’ll definately re-think my position [quote]

When the question was raised “who was doing the looting?” what was the answer supposed to be? Poor black people? And what good does that accomplish, but to incite hateful commentary. [/quote] I agree with an earlier post. It’s the scum of the earth who are looting, I could care less their heritage or economic status. [quote]

Oh, wait now I see… that poor black people who steal are the fault of democrats who preach dependency and they should be shot on sight. [/quote]

Pulled that one outta you ass didn’t ya? [quote]

That’s wonderful, I feel very religious all of a sudden does anybody know of a church I can go to and get to calling for assassinations, shootings on sight of minorities, calling grieving mothers pimps and whores, Oh, wait message just in from P. Robertson… the hurricane is biblical punishment from on high for Bush taking so many vacations and not sending that hit team down south quick enough.

Boy, it feels good to feel the brotherly love! Yeehaw![/quote]

Nothing like staying on subject is there?

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
rainjack, at least Cindy Sheehan puts her money where her mouth is which is far more then I can say about a bigot and a coward such as yourself. Do I feel tough now? Kinda of like when you pick fights with women and teenagers on the Internet. No, I guess, I don’t feel as tough as you do at those times.

But, I guess living on a website 24/7 would do that to someone with a weak ego and weaker character. :)[/quote]

And there we have it yet again - the oft tried and failed standby postion. I told you Friday that that excuse was old and worthless even before you got your hate-filled panties in a wad and sulked for 4 or 5 months. It’s still old. It still fails, and you still don’t know it.

And you call me a bigot and a coward from behind the safety of your computer screen. I gotta say - that’s awful manly of you. But that’s about right for a little man such as yourself.

I don’t know of any “fight” I have picked with any woman, or teen-ager. But you are the one with the rainjack infatuation - so I’ll defer to your compulsive knowledge of my posting.

I’m just wondering if there is any other straw men you could drag out and parade around? You have no ability to argue the topic. You never have had that. But you do seem to have quite the talent for whipping up a strawman at the drop of a hat.

Have a nice evening, tough guy.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I have to take umbrage at your hijack. [/quote]

It was not a hijack. It was a direct response to the last post. He feels Christians are being hypocritical if they say shoot a looter on site. I say I’m not bound by that. Shoot 'em.

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I do feel sorry for anyone who doesn’t think its practical to live a decent life with some moral standards, an ability to forgive others and a willingness to feel some love for people they don’t know and understand. [/quote]

I, and millions of other non-christians, live my life this way. Stop acting like Jesus invented morality and love.

[quote]
As for the quote of Ghandi, that is not assessing Christ’s teachings as much as the perceptions of Christians by the rest of the world… anyone who has read the new testament and studied Christ’s teachings just a little cannot reasonably say that he taught anything remotely violent.[/quote]

My point exactly. Rightly or wrongly, Ghandi perceived a huge gulf between what Christ taught and the way Christians act. Many non-Christians agree with him.

I have no idea what you meant by this last statement.

Unfortunately, this is becoming a hijack. So back to the looters. Whatever happened to shooting on sight? Not at grocery stores, mind you. But flat screen tvs? Come on.

Clearly, lettting it run its course didn’t work in Iraq. It just promoted a culture of lawlessness.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
When the question was raised “who was doing the looting?” what was the answer supposed to be? Poor black people? And what good does that accomplish, but to incite hateful commentary.
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I am sure that was the goal. I wonder what the response would have been if I had made a similar comment when the BTK killer was caught, adding to dozens of other white male serial killers, this one getting away with it for 30 years. How about a good, “who is this damn crazy?”

Good and bad can be found in every culture and ethnicity. The fact that the actions of a few still stand to represent a whole in the minds of some is sad. It is equally amazing that the question was raised by one who seems to consider himself the appointed homosexual hater/Christian.

Thanks Zeb.

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[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
Of the latter, I would not hesitate to call them animals. But I guess it’s what one would expect when you combine people who are none too bright with the kind of ideas that are preached to them over and over: namely, that corporations are evil and that they (minorities, poor, etc.) are not part of society and that society is biased against them. It’s not much of a stretch for them to combine that idea in their minds to come up with the idea that they are 1) entitled to other people’s things and 2) that anyone who actually owns more and better things than them probably got them through oppressing the little people and thus deserves to have his/her/its property stolen.

You cannot be surprised if those ideas are the crap they are fed, and what they believe.

malonetd wrote:

If that is what they believe and know to be true, can you blame them? Is it their fault?

If I’m taught that Santa Claus comes every year and brings gifts and every year there are gifts. No one ever in my lifetime tells me diferent and every year there are stills gifts. Why would I believe anything different?[/quote]

At a certain point, I care less why they believe something than I do about taking swift and strong action to stop them from doing it. That point is generally reached somewhere after they reach age 12 or so.

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One last point before I stop obsessively checking the boards and actually try to get some work done.

The reason I favor shooting looters is because there are tens of thousands of people in N.O. who desperately need help and need to be protected from these criminals. Letting the looters run free gives the criminals the OK signal to do whatever the hell they want – and that includes victimizing the people who are struggling because they have lost their homes and family members.

Shoot the jackals so you can tend to the flock.

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While I am not offended by this post, I also hope none of it was directed at me. I have posted on the “religious” threads, and I have also posted on this thread. I reread my post on this thread several times and fail to see where anything I said could be mistaken for the things you have listed in your post. If you could point out anything in my post on this thread that could be taken as, and this is directly from your post, “calling for assassinations, shootings on sight of minorities, calling grieving mothers pimps and whores,”, then please bring it to my attention so I may publicly apologize for my lack of sensitivity. If not, then you must certainly realize that not all of us who “are quite good at pledging your undying belief in the Lord” are such bad people as to wish such horrible things as you have listed. In fact, I tried to relay, via my post, sincere feelings about the tragedy that has happened to the people affected by the storm.

If I have misread your post, and the last paragraph was not sarcastic and not the slam that it appeared to be, then I will publicly and privately apologize to you.

If I have not misread your post, then I would have to believe you have placed me, and all professing Christians, in the same category whether or not we truly feel the way you believe that we feel. And that would be misfortunate as I simply do not feel the way the way your post would suggest you believe I feel.

Christopher

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Are you forgetting the teachings of your Bible reddog? Would Jesus be smiling at you right now at you raised the gun sights on your fellow man. For those of you who on the religious threads are quite good at pledging your undying belief in the Lord you are quick to forget his most basic tenets.

When the question was raised “who was doing the looting?” what was the answer supposed to be? Poor black people? And what good does that accomplish, but to incite hateful commentary.

Oh, wait now I see… that poor black people who steal are the fault of democrats who preach dependency and they should be shot on sight.

That’s wonderful, I feel very religious all of a sudden does anybody know of a church I can go to and get to calling for assassinations, shootings on sight of minorities, calling grieving mothers pimps and whores, Oh, wait message just in from P. Robertson… the hurricane is biblical punishment from on high for Bush taking so many vacations and not sending that hit team down south quick enough.

Boy, it feels good to feel the brotherly love! Yeehaw![/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am sure that was the goal. I wonder what the response would have been if I had made a similar comment when the BTK killer was caught, adding to dozens of other white male serial killers, this one getting away with it for 30 years. How about a good, “who is this damn crazy?”[/quote]
Actually, that very point was made, a number of times. Serial killers are usually white men. It’s a fact.
Now, most of the people who are looting in New Orleans are blacks. Blacks are, in fact, much more likely to commit violent crimes than whites. It’s a fact.
You are welcome to insert as many PC-platitudes as it takes for you to be able to accept this, such as ‘yes, but the majority are still good,’ or ‘yes, but there are good people in every ethnicity,’ or ‘yes, but it is because society has failed them,’ etc.
The facts remain.

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[quote]RankHypocrisy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am sure that was the goal. I wonder what the response would have been if I had made a similar comment when the BTK killer was caught, adding to dozens of other white male serial killers, this one getting away with it for 30 years. How about a good, “who is this damn crazy?”
Actually, that very point was made, a number of times. Serial killers are usually white men. It’s a fact.
Now, most of the people who are looting in New Orleans are blacks. Blacks are, in fact, much more likely to commit violent crimes than whites. It’s a fact.
You are welcome to insert as many PC-platitudes as it takes for you to be able to accept this, such as ‘yes, but the majority are still good,’ or ‘yes, but there are good people in every ethnicity,’ or ‘yes, but it is because society has failed them,’ etc.
The facts remain.[/quote]

You’re one of those “crazy” white guys, aren’t you?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
When the question was raised “who was doing the looting?” what was the answer supposed to be? Poor black people? And what good does that accomplish, but to incite hateful commentary.

I am sure that was the goal. I wonder what the response would have been if I had made a similar comment when the BTK killer was caught, adding to dozens of other white male serial killers, this one getting away with it for 30 years. How about a good, “who is this damn crazy?”
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You don’t know that. The only folks I’ve seen mentioned mention color has been you and elk.

Elk is so filled with hate that everyone he disagrees with is a wife beating racist. Look it up.

Maybe you have reason to think that it is a color thing. I’ll have to disagree. It is a human decency thing. To steal/take stuff for the survival of your family is not what everyone is against.

it’s the scum that is carting off entire racks of stuff, TV’s, etc. It’s not a black thing or a white thing. It’s a right and a wrong thing. And you know it.