Lookout- Pansy Gyms Rant

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[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
BoxBabaX wrote:
HoratioSandoval wrote:
A lot of people hate it when strangers call them “boss” or “chief” or whatever. It shows a lack of respect, especially to those who are used to being addressed by title or rank.

How the hell does that matter? Who does’nt spot someone who is obviously in need, and then STILL doesnt make a move EVEN after being asked directly. Total idiots.

Honestly, when I was in the military, I would have done the exact same thing as the would-be spotter. You can’t just let people call you whatever name they feel like calling you - your authority would go right out the window. The OP was obviously able to just dump the weight and not get seriously hurt, which the guys would have been able to determine with a quick glance. [/quote]

This isnt the military. I dont need to add anymore to this thread, RIT and digitalchainsaw already summed up everything.

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[quote]flea333 wrote:
It’s in Binghamton.

First off, I was not disrectful to these guys. I’m not like that, that’s why I didn’t go up and bitch at the guy afterward. He clearly just didn’t want to respond. I treat people the way I’d want to be treated. I at first said something like, “hey man, could you help me out?”

I’m not going to be an ass to this guy cause he was to me, I was just pissed somebody could be so irresponsive.[/quote]

That’s cool then. I guess the guys were just douchebags. I was just trying to give a possible explanation for their behavior. Judging from most of the responses to my posts, a lot of people haven’t encountered this before.

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OK, “military authority” was a poor word choice. However, someone is patronising you when they call you “boss” or “chief,” and defending your honor and reputation is not anything new in warrior, gentlemanly, or T-man culture. If a man isn’t going to respect me enough to call me “sir” or “mister,” or at least “man” or “dude,” which nowadays suggests that I’m an equal, I’m not going to respect the man enough to save him the embarrassment from dumping some weights on the floor. I see no reason to give the attitude that we should be polite with strangers a thumbs down. It seems the OP feels the same way, and the other guys were just too scared to act in this case.

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[quote]Sxio wrote:
What about all the martial artists who believe that a kiai helps project power? They make a fair bit of noise.

I’m all for the manly scream if it’s the last few reps. Just not every single rep of the set.

Same with dumping the weight. Don’t do it unless you have absolutely nothing left. [/quote]

Thanks for the elaboration of the manly screams. I guess I’ve done that a couple times on the final rep of a tough set. Not the norm, but it happens.

As far as dumping the weight, it’s pretty dumb to dump on things like curls or upright rows. But, I’ve got no problem with a drop of the weight on deads or DB presses - infact, I expect them.

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[quote]Jprocrastinator wrote:
I dunno, I kinda think the no noise rule is good. Most assholes making noise in my gym are puny assholes curling 15 lb dumbells. Most of the really big guys are like lifting ninjas, you don’t know they’re there. [/quote]

This holds true from my experience of lifting too.

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Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit explanation. You see a fellow bro in iron who is about to rip his tendons b/c the weight is crushing him, you go spot him. Thats lifting 101. If he is still conscious after you finally swallowed your pride and walked over to spot him, then you tell him how you want to be addressed in the future afterwards.

If that was you standing there, I would put you under the bar after I dumped the weight and wait for you to fail miserably. Then I’d sit there untill you addressed me by the proper name I picked out for that day and if you got it right, I would help you get up. Oh and the proper name would have been asshole.

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[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
OK, “military authority” was a poor word choice. However, someone is patronising you when they call you “boss” or “chief,” and defending your honor and reputation is not anything new in warrior, gentlemanly, or T-man culture. If a man isn’t going to respect me enough to call me “sir” or “mister,” or at least “man” or “dude,” which nowadays suggests that I’m an equal, I’m not going to respect the man enough to save him the embarrassment from dumping some weights on the floor. I see no reason to give the attitude that we should be polite with strangers a thumbs down. It seems the OP feels the same way, and the other guys were just too scared to act in this case.[/quote]

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit explanation. You see a fellow bro in iron who is about to rip his tendons b/c the weight is crushing him, you go spot him. Thats lifting 101. If he is still conscious after you finally swallowed your pride and walked over to spot him, then you tell him how you want to be addressed in the future afterwards.

If that was you standing there, I would put you under the bar after I dumped the weight and wait for you to fail miserably. Then I’d sit there untill you addressed me by the proper name I picked out for that day and if you got it right, I would help you get up. Oh and the proper name would have been asshole.

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HoratioSandoval wrote:
OK, “military authority” was a poor word choice. However, someone is patronising you when they call you “boss” or “chief,” and defending your honor and reputation is not anything new in warrior, gentlemanly, or T-man culture. If a man isn’t going to respect me enough to call me “sir” or “mister,” or at least “man” or “dude,” which nowadays suggests that I’m an equal, I’m not going to respect the man enough to save him the embarrassment from dumping some weights on the floor. I see no reason to give the attitude that we should be polite with strangers a thumbs down. It seems the OP feels the same way, and the other guys were just too scared to act in this case.

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Thank you for responding to this, I cannot believe he is still posting this.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit explanation. You see a fellow bro in iron who is about to rip his tendons b/c the weight is crushing him, you go spot him. Thats lifting 101. If he is still conscious after you finally swallowed your pride and walked over to spot him, then you tell him how you want to be addressed in the future afterwards.

If that was you standing there, I would put you under the bar after I dumped the weight and wait for you to fail miserably. Then I’d sit there untill you addressed me by the proper name I picked out for that day and if you got it right, I would help you get up. Oh and the proper name would have been asshole.

AA

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Bullshit explanation? Because a “bro in iron” is worth more than a brother in arms? A guy that works out next to me in a particular gym is worth more to me than a man who has pledged to carry my dead body for however many miles it takes so I can receive a proper burial? That same man would be ashamed if I let someone disrespect me, which in turn disrespects our unit. Ever heard of esprit de corps?

Is military etiquette different from civilian etiquette? Yes, nowadays it is. That’s why my standards have relaxed. However, I bet if you made fun of just about any man’s title 150 years ago, you would be challenged to a duel to the death. This would be true if you were in the Wild West, New England, Great Britain, or Feudal Japan. What was different then? Everyone could have been armed, which is where you’re at today in the military.

Again, the OP was doing a Zercher squat, and at worst he would look a little foolish. If he was really going to hurt himself, I probably would have been the first to help him out. I seem to have hit a nerve here, which is a little strange, because nobody freaked out when TC said he wouldn’t save a rude man from a mugging in “Testosterone Knights.”
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=793047&pageNo=0
Admittedly, TC is a much better writer then I am, but I was trying to convey the same message about courtesy, which I think a lot of people here agreed with.

Finally, I think calling someone “boss” or “chief” who obviously isn’t in charge of you is more cowardly and offensive than calling someone “asshole” or “fag” or whatever. If you walk up to a random man and call him a “fag,” which most men consider a major insult, you’d probably expect to get in a fight. In this case, at least you are prepared to back up your name-calling. If you patronize a random man who is not your boss by calling him “boss,” it’s only a slight insult. If the man doesn’t challenge you, you feel superior to him, as he didn’t have enough self-respect to stand up to you, irregardless of whatever family or societal obligations that man may have not to react with violence. If he does challenge you, he overreacted. Either way, you get off by knocking the guy down a bit.

Any other military folk care to weigh in on this?

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit explanation. You see a fellow bro in iron who is about to rip his tendons b/c the weight is crushing him, you go spot him. Thats lifting 101. If he is still conscious after you finally swallowed your pride and walked over to spot him, then you tell him how you want to be addressed in the future afterwards.

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^^^BUMP^^^

I don’t care if the guy calls me “cocksucker”, I’m going to get him out of danger first. If it turns out he needs a foot in his ass later on, that’s a whole different issue.