[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Why is anyone bothering to argue with this guy? He’s a nut who won’t have sex with women because he’s afraid of false rape accusations (or because he’s emotionally damaged and has a deranged perception of women and human interaction in general). But, unsurprisingly, women tend to not want to have sex with PUA weirdos anyway, so whats the harm? He avoids sex with women and women avoid sex with him. Everyone wins. [/quote]
But then the internet loses my friend. DO YOU WANT THAT ON YOUR CONSCIENCE???
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Interesting. First you state the following with unbridled vigor when talking about (typically) the man as the perp:
[quote]clinton131 wrote:
In these type of situations we strongly suggest that the suspect submit to a polygraph. These are very accurate in detecting deceit and if a suspect is truly innocent they can assist in clearing them of any charges. I know most of you on these forums are going to say “don’t talk to the police” and never submit to a polygraph. But out of those suspects that are adamant of their innocence, agree to take the polygraph, and pass it, I am very comfortable with the fact that they are telling the truth and that they are being falsely accused.
For those that refuse to take it,I will be honest and say that I would lean towards the victim’s rendition of what occurred as the truth. I realize that those that are refusing to take the polygraph are exercising their 5th amendment right and I respect that right, but I am being honest about my personal feelings on the issue based on my 21 years of experience in this arena. Just for clarification, I cannot use the fact that a suspect refuses to take the polygraph as evidence against them in court…
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But here you don’t display the same amount of ambition for use of the polygraph when it comes to the woman (typically) as the liar:
Why is your scale so seemingly unbalanced?
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As he mentioned, governing bodies and associations like the International Association of Chiefs of Police strongly discourage against polygraphing victims, and several states have legislation specifically prohibiting it. To quote the article I posted, �¢??victims often feel confused and ashamed, and experience a great deal of self-blame because of something they did or did not do in relation to the sexual assault. These feelings may compromise the reliability of the results of such interrogation techniques. The use of these interrogation techniques can also compound these feelings and prolong the trauma of a sexual assault."
I would guess clinton’s reluctance to polygraph victims stems from both practical and ethical concerns. The results would be unreliable whether the accusation was false or not, and if the rape allegation were true, which is typically the case, a polygraph would be traumatic to the victim. Polygraphing an accused perpetrator, whether he was innocent or not, runs neither of these risks and provides useful evidence in a case that is typically difficult to investigate. It seems perfectly logical to me. [/quote]
This ^^^^
@ Push:
The above is a good explanation as to the reason for my State’s law concerning utilizing Polygraphs on victims of sexual assaults.
I would love to go after someone who falsely reported a rape charge with a poly. The bottom line is that my state law prohibits me from doing so.
776.21 “Law enforcement officer” and “victim” defined; submitting victim to polygraph examination or lie detector test; giving polygraph examination or lie detector test to defendant upon request.
Sec. 21.
(1) As used in this section:
(a) “Law enforcement officer” means a police officer of a county, city, village, township, or this state; a college or university public safety officer; a prosecuting attorney, assistant prosecuting attorney, or an investigator for the office of prosecuting attorney; or any other person whose duty is to enforce the laws of this state.
(b) “Victim” means a person who is a victim of a crime under sections 520b to 520e and 520g of Act No. 328 of the Public Acts of 1931, being sections 750.520b to 750.520e and 750.520g of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(2) A law enforcement officer shall not request or order a victim to submit to a polygraph examination or lie detector test. A law enforcement officer shall not inform a victim of the option of taking a polygraph examination or lie detector test unless the victim inquires concerning such a test or as provided by subsection (3).
(3) A law enforcement officer shall inform the victim when the person accused of a crime specified in subsection (1)(b) has voluntarily submitted to a polygraphic examination or lie detector test and the test indicates that the person may not have committed the crime.
(4) Subsections (2) and (3) apply only to a polygraph examination or lie detector test which is requested, ordered, or given in regard to a person being a victim.
(5) A defendant who allegedly has committed a crime under sections 520b to 520e and 520g of Act No. 328 of the Public Acts of 1931, shall be given a polygraph examination or lie detector test if the defendant requests it.
History: Add. 1980, Act 454, Eff. Mar. 31, 1981
“unbridled vigor” huh? You are a fervent vocabulist aren’t you Push.
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May I just say on behalf of the feminists that we would also like to pursue with unbridled vigor the conviction and stern sentencing of women who make false rape accusations?
While I am speaking for all feminists everywhere, let me also state for the record that we prefer that men not wear hipster hats to indoor concerts and the like, as they are in many cases taller than the ball caps you have historically hidden your bald spots with, and as such impede our view.
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I guess we have different opinions on the competence and impartiality of the FBI. We have courts, judges, juries, evidence standards, and standards of proof precisely because law enforcement screws up and has been known to have its own agenda.
As far as the comparison to murder, you’re stretching. With murder, you never get he said/she said because one of the parties is dead. Further, it’s a stretch to argue that the person you killed actually wanted to be killed and changed his or her mind later.
Rape is a uniquely difficult crime to prosecute without violating the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. Likely that leads to the relatively low reporting, prosecution, and conviction rates. However, to then make assumptions about the guilt of men who were accused by not prosecuted or not convicted shows a similar disregard for the rights laid out in those amendments.
Even if he hadn’t posted during his alleged incarceration, it was pretty obvious he was trolling. OP has posted several times about his paranoia regarding alleged rape allegations. It’s one of the reasons he states he’s still a virgin. Why he would use the internet to somehow validate his paranoia is beyond me. Especially when so thinly veiled and has now backfired.
OP - I think you actually have some issues you need to deal with. It’s probably mentally unhealthy for a young 20 something male to abstain from sexual activity due to an unreasonable fear of alleged rape allegations. Add on to that a weird made up story for validation and I’m thinking you should seek some help. [/quote]
Just wanted to brag that I NAILED IT ON PAGE 1.
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Eh I don’t know if you nailed it that well Lanky. I think the fear of rape accusation would fall in the category of Excuse For Being Shitty With Women category.[/quote]
Isn’t the fear of rape accusation exactly what we’re currently discussing? What am I missing here?
Although, I’m beginning to side with others who have said this is probably a manifestation of other problems he has. Even someone with an unreasonable fear of rape allegations would probably get close enough to a woman at some point to sleep with them between the ages of 16-25.
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OE - ah, I get what you’re saying. Eh, it’s all interconnected, I still feel pretty good about it. :)[/quote]
Frankly, his biggest problem–as it relates to this thread and the people that he’s interacting with in it–is that he’s just a fucking liar.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
I guess we have different opinions on the competence and impartiality of the FBI. We have courts, judges, juries, evidence standards, and standards of proof precisely because law enforcement screws up and has been known to have its own agenda.
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In this case the FBI is just compiling the data. Rape cases are tried at the state level.
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As far as the comparison to murder, you’re stretching. With murder, you never get he said/she said because one of the parties is dead. Further, it’s a stretch to argue that the person you killed actually wanted to be killed and changed his or her mind later. [/quote]
I agree it’s a stretch. You can just throw something else in there though like battery, domestic abuse, etc…
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Rape is a uniquely difficult crime to prosecute without violating the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. Likely that leads to the relatively low reporting, prosecution, and conviction rates. However, to then make assumptions about the guilt of men who were accused by not prosecuted or not convicted shows a similar disregard for the rights laid out in those amendments. [/quote]
I don’t think the level of reporting has almost anything to do with the 5th, 6th, or 14th and I didn’t make any such assumption. Others may have, I did not.
If someone is so obsessed with the idea of false rape accusations, that he avoids women entirely and posts false stories about being arrested in internet forums, then he obviously needs professional help.
With respect to the issue of avoiding false rape accusations, a little bit of common sense goes a long way.
[quote]OldFatGuy2 wrote:
If someone is so obsessed with the idea of false rape accusations, that he avoids women entirely and posts false stories about being arrested in internet forums, then he obviously needs professional help.
With respect to the issue of avoiding false rape accusations, a little bit of common sense goes a long way.[/quote]
As is true of many rapes. (Not to blame the victim or suggest that they should hold responsibility, but just as a safeguard don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy, for example. If you’re male - don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy!)
[quote]OldFatGuy2 wrote:
If someone is so obsessed with the idea of false rape accusations, that he avoids women entirely and posts false stories about being arrested in internet forums, then he obviously needs professional help.
With respect to the issue of avoiding false rape accusations, a little bit of common sense goes a long way.[/quote]
As is true of many rapes. (Not to blame the victim or suggest that they should hold responsibility, but just as a safeguard don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy, for example. If you’re male - don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy!)[/quote]
Exactly… Which is why I don’t think I could, in good conscience convict someone when the alleged victim voluntarily went home with the alleged assailant after a party night of drinking, and it turns into a big “he said, she said” debate. To say she was asking for it is way to strong because if her complaint is legitimate then what happened to her is terrible, but she put herself in a situation where she has no other recourse other than her word, and one person’s word vs another is not enough to convict someone of rape.
[quote]OldFatGuy2 wrote:
If someone is so obsessed with the idea of false rape accusations, that he avoids women entirely and posts false stories about being arrested in internet forums, then he obviously needs professional help.
With respect to the issue of avoiding false rape accusations, a little bit of common sense goes a long way.[/quote]
As is true of many rapes. (Not to blame the victim or suggest that they should hold responsibility, but just as a safeguard don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy, for example. If you’re male - don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy!)[/quote]
[quote]debraD wrote:
It’s more like the boy who cried wolf inception version. The boy who cried wolf about the girl who cried wolf.
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A false false rape claim. He’s a triple agent.[/quote]
All of that work to end in the same position.
[quote]OldFatGuy2 wrote:
If someone is so obsessed with the idea of false rape accusations, that he avoids women entirely and posts false stories about being arrested in internet forums, then he obviously needs professional help.
With respect to the issue of avoiding false rape accusations, a little bit of common sense goes a long way.[/quote]
As is true of many rapes. (Not to blame the victim or suggest that they should hold responsibility, but just as a safeguard don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy, for example. If you’re male - don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy!)[/quote]
Dunno if youve been blackout drunk but sometimes there is no processing happening. Any guy hitting on a chick that is quite obviously drunk and well too far off is a pig IMO. At that point everybody should go home and try it again when they can see straight
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I agree, its scary as fuck, and one of the reasons i have never (and never will) go home with a random chick at a bar
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Being scared of a false rape accusation is just about equivalent to being scared of a plane crash, which is the safest way to travel.
Walkway has blown this thing way out of proportion.
FWIW I know a Sailor that was falsely accused and it was ugly. The woman finally admitted it was made up and was separate from the military. Last I heard he’s doing fine with no real ramifications to speak of. [/quote]
I know 2 people that have been falsely accused of rape. I know 0 people that have died in a plane crash. Ill have to disagree with your comparison.
When some women in today’s legal climate learn the immense power of the spoken or written accusation of violence against a man in their life they never ever forget it. Many of them will wield that power with gusto. It can be a narcotic to them.
Note: I have never been accused of rape.[/quote]
precisely
- YouTube - ‘the silver bullet’… it happens so often that they made a name for it.
don’t even get me started on paternity fraud… reportedly over 150,000 men in texas alone being forced to pay for children who aren’t there’s.
this must be that ‘male privilege’ I keep hearing about
If you’re male - don’t get drunk and leave bars with strangers who may or may not be batshit crazy!)[/quote]
Is it possible to get drunk and leave bars with strangers (women) who are not batshit crazy?
In other words, I hereby posit that there is no such thing as a woman who is not batshit crazy who would leave a bar with a drunk stranger.
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I believe you may be onto something here. Kind of a catch 22, I realize, if you enjoy sex with strangers. However I gotta say anyone who would have sex with a stranger is someone whose likelihood of batshit craziness is at least somewhat elevated if not certain.
That said, simply avoiding sex wholesale seems a little impractical.
When some women in today’s legal climate learn the immense power of the spoken or written accusation of violence against a man in their life they never ever forget it. Many of them will wield that power with gusto. It can be a narcotic to them.
Note: I have never been accused of rape.[/quote]
Well, sure. Same as the way abusive men, once they realize they’ve met and then secured a woman who’ll allow it, will escalate their battering. It is apparently very heady stuff, as they are extremely resistant to change and when confronted with the loss of one woman who will allow assault, will seek another.
Is it breaking news that some people are very nasty and for seemingly no good reason?
I say this not to diminish the impact of a false accusation (it’s a life-ruiner, all right!) but to remind everyone that assaults upon persons and futures and decency in general are occurring constantly and coming from every possible direction.
*I have not been the victim of domestic violence
**Unless you count my older brother as a perpetrator, in which case I have been