[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I agree, its scary as fuck, and one of the reasons i have never (and never will) go home with a random chick at a bar
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Being scared of a false rape accusation is just about equivalent to being scared of a plane crash, which is the safest way to travel.
Walkway has blown this thing way out of proportion.
FWIW I know a Sailor that was falsely accused and it was ugly. The woman finally admitted it was made up and was separate from the military. Last I heard he’s doing fine with no real ramifications to speak of.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
ok bud. call it whatever you want lol. USCMD’s logical fallacy was so clearly visible, even stevie wonder blah blah etc…[/quote]
Jesus dude, just let it go. You read the post wrong just admit it and move on. You are the only person that arrived at your dumb conclusion.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Interesting. First you state the following with unbridled vigor when talking about (typically) the man as the perp:
[quote]clinton131 wrote:
In these type of situations we strongly suggest that the suspect submit to a polygraph. These are very accurate in detecting deceit and if a suspect is truly innocent they can assist in clearing them of any charges. I know most of you on these forums are going to say “don’t talk to the police” and never submit to a polygraph. But out of those suspects that are adamant of their innocence, agree to take the polygraph, and pass it, I am very comfortable with the fact that they are telling the truth and that they are being falsely accused.
For those that refuse to take it,I will be honest and say that I would lean towards the victim’s rendition of what occurred as the truth. I realize that those that are refusing to take the polygraph are exercising their 5th amendment right and I respect that right, but I am being honest about my personal feelings on the issue based on my 21 years of experience in this arena. Just for clarification, I cannot use the fact that a suspect refuses to take the polygraph as evidence against them in court…
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But here you don’t display the same amount of ambition for use of the polygraph when it comes to the woman (typically) as the liar:
Why is your scale so seemingly unbalanced?
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As he mentioned, governing bodies and associations like the International Association of Chiefs of Police strongly discourage against polygraphing victims, and several states have legislation specifically prohibiting it. To quote the article I posted, â??victims often feel confused and ashamed, and experience a great deal of self-blame because of something they did or did not do in relation to the sexual assault. These feelings may compromise the reliability of the results of such interrogation techniques. The use of these interrogation techniques can also compound these feelings and prolong the trauma of a sexual assault."
I would guess clinton’s reluctance to polygraph victims stems from both practical and ethical concerns. The results would be unreliable whether the accusation was false or not, and if the rape allegation were true, which is typically the case, a polygraph would be traumatic to the victim. Polygraphing an accused perpetrator, whether he was innocent or not, runs neither of these risks and provides useful evidence in a case that is typically difficult to investigate. It seems perfectly logical to me. [/quote]
So being falsely accused of rape and facing years in prison and a ruined life after that isn’t traumatic? You don’t think a man might blame himself for not protecting himself against the accusations (not getting into a situation where he could be accused)? Walkaway clearly has some issues, but if nothing else it shows that even the prospect is rather terrifying to some men.
What if an innocent accused takes a polygraph and shows a false positive? Now you can be pretty sure that the cops are going to hound him to the end looking for other evidence since the polygraph still is inadmissible. Clinton then goes on to say that if a man refuses the polygraph he believes the accuser. You’ve acknowledged that if someone is traumatized and feels some self blame about the situation that could lead to a false positive. Even if the man has no particular feelings about the situation there is a non-zero chance of a false positive.
So in a case of he said/she said, the man is exposed to the risk of a self positive or else refuses the test and is assumed to be lying by some of those involved. The woman faces no such catch 22.
“There were an estimated 84,376 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2012.”
“The rate of forcible rapes in 2012 was estimated at 52.9 per 100,000 female inhabitants.”
‘A false accusation of rape is the intentional reporting of a rape by an alleged victim when no rape has occurred. Studies have found that police typically classify between 1.5 and 8% of rape accusations as unfounded, unproven or false, however researchers say those determinations are often dubious. The “conventional scholarly wisdom,” according to American law professor Michelle J. Anderson, is that two percent of rape complaints made to the police are false. The United States Justice Department agrees, saying false accusations "are estimated to occur at the low rate of two percent – similar to the rate of false accusations for other violent crimes.’
‘A report by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) examined rape allegations in England and Wales over a 17-month period between January 2011 and May 2012. It showed that in 35 cases authorities prosecuted a person for making a false allegation, while they brought 5,651 prosecutions for rape. Keir Starmer, the head of the CPS, said that the “mere fact that someone did not pursue a complaint or retracted it, is not of itself evidence that it was false” and that it is a “misplaced belief” that false accusations of rape are commonplace.[4] He added that the report also showed that a significant number of false allegations of rape (and domestic violence) "involved young, often vulnerable people. About half of the cases involved people aged 21 years old and under, and some involved people with mental health difficulties. In some cases, the person alleged to have made the false report had undoubtedly been the victim of some kind of offence, even if not the one that he or she had reported.’
“David Lisak’s study, published in 2010 in Violence Against Women, classified as false 8 out of the 136 (5.9%) reported rapes at an American university over a ten-year period.”
“A study of 812 rape accusations made to police in Victoria Australia between 2000 and 2003 found that 2.1% were ultimately classified by police as false, with the complainants then charged or threatened with charges for filing a false police report.”
2012 reported forcible rapes: 84,000
False Rape Reports
2%: 1,680 = .00053% of U.S. population
5%: 4,200 = .0013% of U.S. population
8%: 6,720 = .0021% of U.S. population
Plane Crash Fatalities:
2012: 794
2011: 828
2010: 1,115
2009: 1,103
There were 1,236 reported rapes in MD alone in 2012 with a population of roughly 6MM. That’s almost the number of false allocations in the entire United States 316MM.
“There were an estimated 84,376 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2012.”
“The rate of forcible rapes in 2012 was estimated at 52.9 per 100,000 female inhabitants.”
‘A false accusation of rape is the intentional reporting of a rape by an alleged victim when no rape has occurred. Studies have found that police typically classify between 1.5 and 8% of rape accusations as unfounded, unproven or false, however researchers say those determinations are often dubious. The “conventional scholarly wisdom,” according to American law professor Michelle J. Anderson, is that two percent of rape complaints made to the police are false. The United States Justice Department agrees, saying false accusations "are estimated to occur at the low rate of two percent – similar to the rate of false accusations for other violent crimes.’
‘A report by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) examined rape allegations in England and Wales over a 17-month period between January 2011 and May 2012. It showed that in 35 cases authorities prosecuted a person for making a false allegation, while they brought 5,651 prosecutions for rape. Keir Starmer, the head of the CPS, said that the “mere fact that someone did not pursue a complaint or retracted it, is not of itself evidence that it was false” and that it is a “misplaced belief” that false accusations of rape are commonplace.[4] He added that the report also showed that a significant number of false allegations of rape (and domestic violence) "involved young, often vulnerable people. About half of the cases involved people aged 21 years old and under, and some involved people with mental health difficulties. In some cases, the person alleged to have made the false report had undoubtedly been the victim of some kind of offence, even if not the one that he or she had reported.’
“David Lisak’s study, published in 2010 in Violence Against Women, classified as false 8 out of the 136 (5.9%) reported rapes at an American university over a ten-year period.”
“A study of 812 rape accusations made to police in Victoria Australia between 2000 and 2003 found that 2.1% were ultimately classified by police as false, with the complainants then charged or threatened with charges for filing a false police report.”
2012 reported forcible rapes: 84,000
False Rape Reports
2%: 1,680 = .00053% of U.S. population
5%: 4,200 = .0013% of U.S. population
8%: 6,720 = .0021% of U.S. population
Plane Crash Fatalities:
2012: 794
2011: 828
2010: 1,115
2009: 1,103
There were 1,236 reported rapes in MD alone in 2012 with a population of roughly 6MM. That’s almost the number of false allocations in the entire United States 316MM.
So 2% of rape charges are demonstrably, maliciously false to the extent that the police chose to prosecute the accuser. The total rate of false accusations is almost certainly higher (unless you think that all women are horrible liars and never get away with it) According to this: Rape: A Lack of Conviction — Information is Beautiful , only 18% of reported rapes are prosecuted and only 7% of reported rapes lead to a conviction (data is for UK but US is probably similar). That means a large majority of reported rapes lead to no charges either against the accused or against the accusor for making a false report.
In over 90% of the cases that a rape is reported, nobody is convicted of any crime. In most of those cases, a crime was probably committed (either a rape or a false report). I have yet to see anybody make a good argument as to how we can know what the breakdown of those cases is (a lot of them probably went nowhere due to a lack of evidence one way or the other), but I’m guessing that some of them are false accusations (unless all women are horrible liars and get caught).
According to your statistics, only about 0.05% of the US female population will report being raped in a year (less if some women are reporting multiple incidents). Yet I don’t hear you making fun of women that are afraid of being raped. I don’t hear you downplaying the importance of trying to prevent rape. Why when the issue is something that threatens women do you rush to defend and take it seriously but if the issue threatens men you trivialize and mock?
As to your plane crash analogy, there are rigorous checks and standards in place to reduce the incidence of plane crashes because even though it’s rare it’s pretty horrible when it happens. A debilitating fear of plane crashes is pointless in the same way a debilitating fear of false rape accusations is silly. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take seriously the possibility of false rape accusations and do what is possible to prevent them.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Interesting. First you state the following with unbridled vigor when talking about (typically) the man as the perp:
[quote]clinton131 wrote:
In these type of situations we strongly suggest that the suspect submit to a polygraph. These are very accurate in detecting deceit and if a suspect is truly innocent they can assist in clearing them of any charges. I know most of you on these forums are going to say “don’t talk to the police” and never submit to a polygraph. But out of those suspects that are adamant of their innocence, agree to take the polygraph, and pass it, I am very comfortable with the fact that they are telling the truth and that they are being falsely accused.
For those that refuse to take it,I will be honest and say that I would lean towards the victim’s rendition of what occurred as the truth. I realize that those that are refusing to take the polygraph are exercising their 5th amendment right and I respect that right, but I am being honest about my personal feelings on the issue based on my 21 years of experience in this arena. Just for clarification, I cannot use the fact that a suspect refuses to take the polygraph as evidence against them in court…
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But here you don’t display the same amount of ambition for use of the polygraph when it comes to the woman (typically) as the liar:
Why is your scale so seemingly unbalanced?
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As he mentioned, governing bodies and associations like the International Association of Chiefs of Police strongly discourage against polygraphing victims, and several states have legislation specifically prohibiting it. To quote the article I posted, â??victims often feel confused and ashamed, and experience a great deal of self-blame because of something they did or did not do in relation to the sexual assault. These feelings may compromise the reliability of the results of such interrogation techniques. The use of these interrogation techniques can also compound these feelings and prolong the trauma of a sexual assault."
I would guess clinton’s reluctance to polygraph victims stems from both practical and ethical concerns. The results would be unreliable whether the accusation was false or not, and if the rape allegation were true, which is typically the case, a polygraph would be traumatic to the victim. Polygraphing an accused perpetrator, whether he was innocent or not, runs neither of these risks and provides useful evidence in a case that is typically difficult to investigate. It seems perfectly logical to me. [/quote]
Seems like a double standard, stressed out over emotional woman who is accusing someone of rape cant give an accurate reading on a polygraph, but the stressed out guy who is sitting in the police station having done nothing and never been in trouble wondering what the hell is happening, can?? You basically just made a very solid case for why the accused rapist (especially if he didn’t do it) should definitely NOT submit to a polygraph.
And for what its worth… I fall somewhere in the middle. I think false rape accusations occur more than what some are saying, but not nearly as frequently as some others. I also would not define rape as “I was to drunk to say no”; “I don’t remember saying yes”; “I am pretty sure I said no”; “I went home with this guy and we were getting really involved when I changed my mind but e didn’t get it out as soon as it occurred to me that I was tired of this” (Sat on a jury where this was basically the case).
With that said, the women who make outright false accusations or accusations similar to the above are despicable human beings (similar to walkaway) who trivialize one of the single worst crimes that can be committed against a person.
My wife’s cousin was abducted from her house by three men and raped two years ago while she held her baby. She and her husband, who was at work, had just moved in and apparently the previous occupants were involved in drugs and owed these three some money. She then had to lie there and listen to the discuss whether or not to kill her before they decided not to because one of the men recognized her.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
So 2% of rape charges are demonstrably, maliciously false to the extent that the police chose to prosecute the accuser. The total rate of false accusations is almost certainly higher (unless you think that all women are horrible liars and never get away with it) [/quote]
No, the FBI estimates 2% of rape accusations are false, period.
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According to this: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rape-a-lack-of-conviction/ , only 18% of reported rapes are prosecuted and only 7% of reported rapes lead to a conviction (data is for UK but US is probably similar). That means a large majority of reported rapes lead to no charges either against the accused or against the accusor for making a false report. [/quote]
Second, there are a lot of reasons for a 7% conviction rate. According to your chart only about 21% of rapes in the UK are even reported. Of that 21%, according to your chart, 82% are withdrawn by the alleged victim for a dozen reasons.
A no charge or a no conviction =/= no rape.
And that proves what exactly?
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In most of those cases, a crime was probably committed (either a rape or a false report). I have yet to see anybody make a good argument as to how we can know what the breakdown of those cases is (a lot of them probably went nowhere due to a lack of evidence one way or the other), but I’m guessing that some of them are false accusations (unless all women are horrible liars and get caught). [/quote]
I just gave you the FBI statistics that, “classify between 1.5 and 8% of rape accusations as unfounded, unproven or false.”
That seems pretty clear to me.
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According to your statistics, only about 0.05% of the US female population will report being raped in a year (less if some women are reporting multiple incidents). Yet I don’t hear you making fun of women that are afraid of being raped. [/quote]
First of all, I haven’t made fun of anyone.
Second of all, if a woman had come on this website and made a pretend rape thread, I’d of call out her bullshit too.
Statistically a woman is more likely to be raped than a man falsely accused of rape, but it is still a small percentage.
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I don’t hear you downplaying the importance of trying to prevent rape.[/quote]
Is that what the premise of this thread is about? No, it isn’t.
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Why when the issue is something that threatens women do you rush to defend and take it seriously but if the issue threatens men you trivialize and mock? [/quote]
You are misconstruing what I’ve written. I have not trivialize of mocked anyone.
I’ve no idea where you’re even getting that from. I don’t think I’ve responded to you once.
No where did I say men shouldn’t be pro-active in avoiding situations that could lead to a false accusation. No where did I say it’s not an ugly fact of life (in fact I’m pretty sure I wrote just that).
If I have, point it out.
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As to your plane crash analogy, there are rigorous checks and standards in place to reduce the incidence of plane crashes because even though it’s rare it’s pretty horrible when it happens.[/quote]
Even if he hadn’t posted during his alleged incarceration, it was pretty obvious he was trolling. OP has posted several times about his paranoia regarding alleged rape allegations. It’s one of the reasons he states he’s still a virgin. Why he would use the internet to somehow validate his paranoia is beyond me. Especially when so thinly veiled and has now backfired.
OP - I think you actually have some issues you need to deal with. It’s probably mentally unhealthy for a young 20 something male to abstain from sexual activity due to an unreasonable fear of alleged rape allegations. Add on to that a weird made up story for validation and I’m thinking you should seek some help. [/quote]
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I just can’t believe that they are permitted to do by society. im sure that if a lot of you guys did some research, your minds would be absolutely blown as well. get red-pilled. .you’ll be doing yourselves a favor.
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Is that what you’ve feel you have done? You’ve done yourself a favor?
Let’s take a hypothetical. Say, for instance, the boogey man exists. But not everyone believes in the boogey man. The boogey man randomly kills 1 in 10M people without warning.
You take the red pill and learn of the boogey man’s existence. Now you live in constant fear of the boogeyman, even though the chances of him getting you are 1 in 10M.
Was taking the red pill really doing yourself a favor?
The other thing I wanted to mention - is your beef that women rarely falsely accuse rape or is your beef that society does nothing to punish them? Because your fear is that this will happen, when the chances of it happening are pretty slim regardless of whether or not society decides to punish the women who wrongly accuse.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
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It seemed to feel like you were trivializing the fear and mocking Mr Walkaway based on his fear of false rape accusations. Good to hear that’s no what you wanted to do.
The site I referenced was just the first thing that came up on Google. If you think it’s way off, let me know. I don’t think my point hinges on the precise validity of the numbers. The point is just that most rape reports don’t result in a conviction, and I believe that is pretty solid.
As far as the FBI estimates, you’re missing the point. How the hell would the FBI know? The only way that the FBI could be sure that less than 8% of rape reports are false is if they have definitive proof that at least 92% of rape reports are true. If they have definitive proof of guilt in 92% of cases, then I’m very concerned about the competence required to obtain only a 7% conviction rate.
Of course, some rape accusations involve an attacker that cannot be found or identified, so we wouldn’t necessarily expect 92% of rape reports to result in a conviction, but I’d certainly expect it to be pretty high. Stranger rape accounts for a pretty small percentage of rape reports.
In short, if 93% of rape reports don’t result in a rape conviction, we simply don’t know how many of those were false accusations. Moreover, there are documented cases of false rape reports leading to a conviction. The only thing we do know is how many rape reports led to a conviction and how many led to prosecution or conviction of the accuser for filing a false report.
Even if he hadn’t posted during his alleged incarceration, it was pretty obvious he was trolling. OP has posted several times about his paranoia regarding alleged rape allegations. It’s one of the reasons he states he’s still a virgin. Why he would use the internet to somehow validate his paranoia is beyond me. Especially when so thinly veiled and has now backfired.
OP - I think you actually have some issues you need to deal with. It’s probably mentally unhealthy for a young 20 something male to abstain from sexual activity due to an unreasonable fear of alleged rape allegations. Add on to that a weird made up story for validation and I’m thinking you should seek some help. [/quote]
Just wanted to brag that I NAILED IT ON PAGE 1.
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Eh I don’t know if you nailed it that well Lanky. I think the fear of rape accusation would fall in the category of Excuse For Being Shitty With Women category.
Even if he hadn’t posted during his alleged incarceration, it was pretty obvious he was trolling. OP has posted several times about his paranoia regarding alleged rape allegations. It’s one of the reasons he states he’s still a virgin. Why he would use the internet to somehow validate his paranoia is beyond me. Especially when so thinly veiled and has now backfired.
OP - I think you actually have some issues you need to deal with. It’s probably mentally unhealthy for a young 20 something male to abstain from sexual activity due to an unreasonable fear of alleged rape allegations. Add on to that a weird made up story for validation and I’m thinking you should seek some help. [/quote]
Just wanted to brag that I NAILED IT ON PAGE 1.
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Eh I don’t know if you nailed it that well Lanky. I think the fear of rape accusation would fall in the category of Excuse For Being Shitty With Women category.[/quote]
Isn’t the fear of rape accusation exactly what we’re currently discussing? What am I missing here?
Although, I’m beginning to side with others who have said this is probably a manifestation of other problems he has. Even someone with an unreasonable fear of rape allegations would probably get close enough to a woman at some point to sleep with them between the ages of 16-25.
Edit:
OE - ah, I get what you’re saying. Eh, it’s all interconnected, I still feel pretty good about it.
Even if he hadn’t posted during his alleged incarceration, it was pretty obvious he was trolling. OP has posted several times about his paranoia regarding alleged rape allegations. It’s one of the reasons he states he’s still a virgin. Why he would use the internet to somehow validate his paranoia is beyond me. Especially when so thinly veiled and has now backfired.
OP - I think you actually have some issues you need to deal with. It’s probably mentally unhealthy for a young 20 something male to abstain from sexual activity due to an unreasonable fear of alleged rape allegations. Add on to that a weird made up story for validation and I’m thinking you should seek some help. [/quote]
Just wanted to brag that I NAILED IT ON PAGE 1.
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Eh I don’t know if you nailed it that well Lanky. I think the fear of rape accusation would fall in the category of Excuse For Being Shitty With Women category.[/quote]
Isn’t the fear of rape accusation exactly what we’re currently discussing? What am I missing here?
Although, I’m beginning to side with others who have said this is probably a manifestation of other problems he has. Even someone with an unreasonable fear of rape allegations would probably get close enough to a woman at some point to sleep with them between the ages of 16-25.
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OE - ah, I get what you’re saying. Eh, it’s all interconnected, I still feel pretty good about it. :)[/quote]
Yeah, I meant that specifically for Walkaway not for the general discussion.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
It seemed to feel like you were trivializing the fear and mocking Mr Walkaway based on his fear of false rape accusations. Good to hear that’s no what you wanted to do. [/quote]
I was not. Just a friendly fyi, you should know this isn’t the first time Walkway has posted something controversial or blatantly offensive. Tbh I’m really not sure why I even bothered with his thread. Slow at work I guess.
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The site I referenced was just the first thing that came up on Google. If you think it’s way off, let me know. [/quote]
No, just curious about the data itself.
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I don’t think my point hinges on the precise validity of the numbers. The point is just that most rape reports don’t result in a conviction, and I believe that is pretty solid. [/quote]
I believe that’s a moot point as far as this conversation goes. A lack of conviction =/= a lack of a rape or vice versa for that matter.
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As far as the FBI estimates, you’re missing the point. How the hell would the FBI know? The only way that the FBI could be sure that less than 8% of rape reports are false is if they have definitive proof that at least 92% of rape reports are true. [/quote]
How do you know they don’t?
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If they have definitive proof of guilt in 92% of cases, then I’m very concerned about the competence required to obtain only a 7% conviction rate. [/quote]
Aside from the fact that that’s a state district attorney’s issue, evidence supporting a rape and a rape conviction are not the same thing.
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Of course, some rape accusations involve an attacker that cannot be found or identified, so we wouldn’t necessarily expect 92% of rape reports to result in a conviction, but I’d certainly expect it to be pretty high. Stranger rape accounts for a pretty small percentage of rape reports. [/quote]
Or _______any number of reasons why the case doesn’t go to court (see your site for some of the choices).
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In short, if 93% of rape reports don’t result in a rape conviction, we simply don’t know how many of those were false accusations. [/quote]
Yes, but we have an estimate by a solid source (The FBI).
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Moreover, there are documented cases of false rape reports leading to a conviction. [/quote]
As there are for all crimes.
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The only thing we do know is how many rape reports led to a conviction and how many led to prosecution or conviction of the accuser for filing a false report. [/quote]
Ya, but you could say that about pretty much any crime.
Ex:
All we know is how many people were murdered and the number of murder convictions. So if there wasn’t a conviction then there was a murder??
[quote]Silyak wrote:
It seemed to feel like you were trivializing the fear and mocking Mr Walkaway based on his fear of false rape accusations. Good to hear that’s no what you wanted to do. [/quote]
I was not. Just a friendly fyi, you should know this isn’t the first time Walkway has posted something controversial or blatantly offensive. Tbh I’m really not sure why I even bothered with his thread. Slow at work I guess.
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Yep, his history was such that when I saw the thread title and the topic my first thought was “Well it finally happened, the crazy bastard finally snapped. Cant wait to hear this excuse”
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Interesting. First you state the following with unbridled vigor when talking about (typically) the man as the perp:
[quote]clinton131 wrote:
In these type of situations we strongly suggest that the suspect submit to a polygraph. These are very accurate in detecting deceit and if a suspect is truly innocent they can assist in clearing them of any charges. I know most of you on these forums are going to say “don’t talk to the police” and never submit to a polygraph. But out of those suspects that are adamant of their innocence, agree to take the polygraph, and pass it, I am very comfortable with the fact that they are telling the truth and that they are being falsely accused.
For those that refuse to take it,I will be honest and say that I would lean towards the victim’s rendition of what occurred as the truth. I realize that those that are refusing to take the polygraph are exercising their 5th amendment right and I respect that right, but I am being honest about my personal feelings on the issue based on my 21 years of experience in this arena. Just for clarification, I cannot use the fact that a suspect refuses to take the polygraph as evidence against them in court…
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But here you don’t display the same amount of ambition for use of the polygraph when it comes to the woman (typically) as the liar:
Why is your scale so seemingly unbalanced?
[/quote]
As he mentioned, governing bodies and associations like the International Association of Chiefs of Police strongly discourage against polygraphing victims, and several states have legislation specifically prohibiting it. To quote the article I posted, â??victims often feel confused and ashamed, and experience a great deal of self-blame because of something they did or did not do in relation to the sexual assault. These feelings may compromise the reliability of the results of such interrogation techniques. The use of these interrogation techniques can also compound these feelings and prolong the trauma of a sexual assault."
I would guess clinton’s reluctance to polygraph victims stems from both practical and ethical concerns. The results would be unreliable whether the accusation was false or not, and if the rape allegation were true, which is typically the case, a polygraph would be traumatic to the victim. Polygraphing an accused perpetrator, whether he was innocent or not, runs neither of these risks and provides useful evidence in a case that is typically difficult to investigate. It seems perfectly logical to me. [/quote]
This ^^^^
@ Push:
The above is a good explanation as to the reason for my State’s law concerning utilizing Polygraphs on victims of sexual assaults.
I would love to go after someone who falsely reported a rape charge with a poly. The bottom line is that my state law prohibits me from doing so.
776.21 “Law enforcement officer” and “victim” defined; submitting victim to polygraph examination or lie detector test; giving polygraph examination or lie detector test to defendant upon request.
Sec. 21.
(1) As used in this section:
(a) “Law enforcement officer” means a police officer of a county, city, village, township, or this state; a college or university public safety officer; a prosecuting attorney, assistant prosecuting attorney, or an investigator for the office of prosecuting attorney; or any other person whose duty is to enforce the laws of this state.
(b) “Victim” means a person who is a victim of a crime under sections 520b to 520e and 520g of Act No. 328 of the Public Acts of 1931, being sections 750.520b to 750.520e and 750.520g of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(2) A law enforcement officer shall not request or order a victim to submit to a polygraph examination or lie detector test. A law enforcement officer shall not inform a victim of the option of taking a polygraph examination or lie detector test unless the victim inquires concerning such a test or as provided by subsection (3).
(3) A law enforcement officer shall inform the victim when the person accused of a crime specified in subsection (1)(b) has voluntarily submitted to a polygraphic examination or lie detector test and the test indicates that the person may not have committed the crime.
(4) Subsections (2) and (3) apply only to a polygraph examination or lie detector test which is requested, ordered, or given in regard to a person being a victim.
(5) A defendant who allegedly has committed a crime under sections 520b to 520e and 520g of Act No. 328 of the Public Acts of 1931, shall be given a polygraph examination or lie detector test if the defendant requests it.
History: Add. 1980, Act 454, Eff. Mar. 31, 1981
“unbridled vigor” huh? You are a fervent vocabulist aren’t you Push.
Why is anyone bothering to argue with this guy? He’s a nut who won’t have sex with women because he’s afraid of false rape accusations (or because he’s emotionally damaged and has a deranged perception of women and human interaction in general). But, unsurprisingly, women tend to not want to have sex with PUA weirdos anyway, so whats the harm? He avoids sex with women and women avoid sex with him. Everyone wins.
