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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
sen say wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so who’s the asshole who still mods the shit out of my posts and edits out the words “gay, fag, faggot, cunt”? i bet theyre a gay cunt, this should make things easier, FIRE THEM IMMEDIATELY!

Wait…do you mean to say you’d sound like an even greater ignoramus if someone wasn’t helping you not sound so dumb?

I don’t believe it for a minute.

The only time I see CrackerFromTheSuburbs posts anymore is when someone quotes him…so please…

[/quote]

the only time i see you post is after i already have, get off my nutsack.

and how can i only post if someone quotes me? i have to have made an initial post in order for it to be quoted, gg.

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[quote]hardgnr wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
TC,

I am glad that you came on here to clear some things up. You continue to be a stand up guy in the midst of all the shit that pops up here. Along with that, I am very pleased and impressed that Tim would call those guys to talk with them and clear the air. Never in my life have I heard of a company having sack like that.

Is it really that suprising? One Long term customer is worth more to a company than 50 first timers is most cases. If I were the owner of a successful business and found out some of my top customers left, I would get in contact with them too. [/quote]

Yes it is surprising, because Tim actually did call, rather than just think it was a great idea and not follow through. Great ideas and having them come to fruition is a whole other animal.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
TC,

I am glad that you came on here to clear some things up. You continue to be a stand up guy in the midst of all the shit that pops up here.

[…]

Many of you make me laugh so hard I nearly fell out of my chair. This place is more than a bodybuilding website, for me, its rubbing elbows with all you sum-bitches. [/quote]

What he said.

Wasn’t this also the original reason for the discussion which lead to the unmoderated T-Cell Alpha? Just asking if my memory is correct here.

In principle, I’m fine with more moderation, as there’s some toxic stuff going on regularly within PWI (which I really care most for) which I don’t like at all. But, as some posters, including Prof X have implied (if I got that correctly) - it’s us posters who are responsible for the quality of the content we provide here. We’re on someone else’s property, and it’s important not bring the provider in disrespect or trouble when we all contribute in our different ways. And it’s in the provider’s interest not to piss off the loyal and vocal customers. Mutual respect should be therefore the basis for all our dealings here.

Makkun

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Professor X

(and everyone else… but I feel PX might enjoy this especially):

https://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_blog_hammer_velocity_shugart/im_back_8

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[quote]G87 wrote:
Professor X

(and everyone else… but I feel PX might enjoy this especially):

https://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_blog_hammer_velocity_shugart/im_back_8
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LOL. He tries so hard to be hard. It’s pretty sad how insecure the guy is. He used to be annoying, but most pity him for his insecurity.

T-Cell Alpha is a success. There isn’t much mindless chatter. Some people (like wannabe gurus) need constant posts as a form of validation of the person’s self. “Say something to me!” There is a virtue, however, in silent contemplation.

Chrissy has his corner. Long-time customers and people who train hard have their corner. It seems to be working nicely.

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wow, nice blog there, V-Diet FTW and T-Alpha FTL lol, yeah ok

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
G87 wrote:
Professor X

(and everyone else… but I feel PX might enjoy this especially):

https://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_blog_hammer_velocity_shugart/im_back_8

LOL. He tries so hard to be hard. It’s pretty sad how insecure the guy is. He used to be annoying, but most pity him for his insecurity.

T-Cell Alpha is a success. There isn’t much mindless chatter. Some people (like wannabe gurus) need constant posts as a form of validation of the person’s self. “Say something to me!” There is a virtue, however, in silent contemplation.

Chrissy has his corner. Long-time customers and people who train hard have their corner. It seems to be working nicely.[/quote]

I used to be such a fan of his, even considered doing the V-Diet. Not saying he’s not a smart guy (cause he is), but I’d rather get big.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I was on EliteFTS today and then over to Dave Tate’s FaceBook to look at Matt Kroczaleski’s run up to the UPA Nationals.

Dave had a post about how he is going to be working with Biotest to develop some new supplements over here. Pretty cool right.

Except on that same post several long time members from T-Nation were posting about how they were banned, heavily moderated and have given up and left.

NattDogg, Kuz and Rainjack…all Level 5 members, all have left because they tried to discuss certain supplements that they had tried and not liked or did not live up to the hype.

Keep in mind that they were all level 5’s…top 500 Biotest customers and loyal posters on the forums. Needless to say, this has left me pretty disenfranchised, Biotest has the right to Mod whatever they want, but it seems a little short sighted to crack down on your best customers.

Anybody else know of long time folks who have left, and what the story was?
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I could tell you but would ahve to kill you, haha! Seriously, many web sites are run that way.

I was a big poster here when T mag started under a different name. I stopped for a while do to issues that I won’t go into. PM me if you would like to here my gripes privately.

Remember, this isn’t Miracle on 42 st. where Santa sent people to other stores. Biotest runs a business. Talking up the competition or running them down won’t make them happy. And can you blame them? how would you feel if you ran a store and people where talking good about the guy down the street in front of your customers?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
TC,

I am glad that you came on here to clear some things up. You continue to be a stand up guy in the midst of all the shit that pops up here. Along with that, I am very pleased and impressed that Tim would call those guys to talk with them and clear the air. Never in my life have I heard of a company having sack like that.

There are some here who when they start a thread about almost anything, will automatically attract the rest of us to check it out. Because its the person, and maybe not so much the thread itself.

The internet has changed social interaction in this day and age. Sometimes I feel like I am coming into the e-gym to talk shit with all you people. I learn a lot from many of you, more from some than others. Some people here have offered insight that I would never have come across or figured out on my own. Many of you make me laugh so hard I nearly fell out of my chair. This place is more than a bodybuilding website, for me, its rubbing elbows with all you sum-bitches. [/quote]

I stand corrected.

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“…But you know what? I read a lot of non-bodybuilding blogs, and the ones I like the most are the ones that are honest and free of bullshit. Besides, the greatest mistake is to bore yourself.”

It’s funny when an honest comment about the VD is made…nevermind.

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He was cool at first. I liked his older stuff. Then he got a few people riding his nuts. Now he’s insufferable. He considers himself a guru.

He’s easy enough to ignore when he’s not changing the editorial tone of the articles. Thankfully TC isn’t totally in absentia. Once TC is gone, this site is dead.

Oh, and I’m not some guy who goes around all “hard core” or throws a fit anytime there isn’t an article mentioning steroids. I read Men’s Health, Best Life, Outside, and all sorts of other metro magazines.

It’s when people believe their own hype that they are obnoxious.

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[quote]tom63 wrote: Remember, this isn’t Miracle on 42 st. where Santa sent people to other stores. Biotest runs a business. Talking up the competition or running them down won’t make them happy. And can you blame them? how would you feel if you ran a store and people where talking good about the guy down the street in front of your customers?
[/quote]

Sure. But it goes both ways. I’m a level 4. If my old order history would have gotten merges (I was a customer since '99 but only registered in 05 or whenever), I’d be a level 5.

So when I say I don’t like such-and-such product, it’s not to blast or hate. Out of respect I don’t say much. But once I posted that a certain product made me nauseous when taken on an empty stomach. That wasn’t allowed. Nothing was allowed, so I stopped buying.

TC did great. He put in the Alpha Cell, so I returned and am a customer again.

So these things cut both ways.

I’ve long said that no one should be able to say anything negative about Biotest supplements if they haven’t been here for at least a year. This keeps out the competitions’ trolls.

But if I say that I like to cycle a certain fat burner what’s the problem? Or if I say that a certain product doesn’t work… I don’t see the big deal.

Also, and this point is missed on a lot of people: Not all customers are created equal. Some people just shop once or twice.

There are certain people who tend to evangelicize products. I’ve turned a lot of people onto this site and Biotest. I’m betting a lot of the other “old timers” have, too. You think NateDogg, e.g., doesn’t tell people about Biotest? Yeah, right. Of course he does. And if you look big or are in shape, people ask what you take. So guys like X, RainJack, Utah Lama and others are going to get asked those types of questions. As a company, you want those customers happy.

So it’s pretty unsophisticated for people to suggest that turning off level 5 people is smart for business reasons. Often, it’s not.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
chimera182 wrote: I used to be such a fan of his, even considered doing the V-Diet. Not saying he’s not a smart guy (cause he is), but I’d rather get big.

He was cool at first. I liked his older stuff. Then he got a few people riding his nuts. Now he’s insufferable. He considers himself a guru.

He’s easy enough to ignore when he’s not changing the editorial tone of the articles. Thankfully TC isn’t totally in absentia. Once TC is gone, this site is dead.

Oh, and I’m not some guy who goes around all “hard core” or throws a fit anytime there isn’t an article mentioning steroids. I read Men’s Health, Best Life, Outside, and all sorts of other metro magazines.

It’s when people believe their own hype that they are obnoxious.[/quote]

This beats anything I was going to type.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
tom63 wrote: Remember, this isn’t Miracle on 42 st. where Santa sent people to other stores. Biotest runs a business. Talking up the competition or running them down won’t make them happy. And can you blame them? how would you feel if you ran a store and people where talking good about the guy down the street in front of your customers?

Sure. But it goes both ways. I’m a level 4. If my old order history would have gotten merges (I was a customer since '99 but only registered in 05 or whenever), I’d be a level 5.

So when I say I don’t like such-and-such product, it’s not to blast or hate. Out of respect I don’t say much. But once I posted that a certain product made me nauseous when taken on an empty stomach. That wasn’t allowed. Nothing was allowed, so I stopped buying.

TC did great. He put in the Alpha Cell, so I returned and am a customer again.

So these things cut both ways.

I’ve long said that no one should be able to say anything negative about Biotest supplements if they haven’t been here for at least a year. This keeps out the competitions’ trolls.

But if I say that I like to cycle a certain fat burner what’s the problem? Or if I say that a certain product doesn’t work… I don’t see the big deal.

Also, and this point is missed on a lot of people: Not all customers are created equal. Some people just shop once or twice.

There are certain people who tend to evangelicize products. I’ve turned a lot of people onto this site and Biotest. I’m betting a lot of the other “old timers” have, too. You think NateDogg, e.g., doesn’t tell people about Biotest? Yeah, right. Of course he does. And if you look big or are in shape, people ask what you take. So guys like X, RainJack, Utah Lama and others are going to get asked those types of questions. As a company, you want those customers happy.

So it’s pretty unsophisticated for people to suggest that turning off level 5 people is smart for business reasons. Often, it’s not.[/quote]

Agreed. Any time there is a discussion about lifting with someone who comes up to me, the first questions asked are in regards to whatever supplements are being taken. Their sell of HOT-ROX probably has gone up as a direct result of my word of mouth alone, let alone those of others. My frat brothers came to the house and saw Spike all over the place so they wanted it too.

The people who are actually making some type of visible progress are the biggest billboard signs for this website.

It would be nice if this were realized and a muzzle were thrown over Shug’s writing from time to time.

If there is any “hate” thrown in his direction, it is because he keeps instigating it. Otherwise, I doubt anyone would care that much about what he writes aside from the groupies…[quote]But that’s okay. As long as those turds keep buying stuff.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
tom63 wrote: Remember, this isn’t Miracle on 42 st. where Santa sent people to other stores. Biotest runs a business. Talking up the competition or running them down won’t make them happy. And can you blame them? how would you feel if you ran a store and people where talking good about the guy down the street in front of your customers?

Sure. But it goes both ways. I’m a level 4. If my old order history would have gotten merges (I was a customer since '99 but only registered in 05 or whenever), I’d be a level 5.

So when I say I don’t like such-and-such product, it’s not to blast or hate. Out of respect I don’t say much. But once I posted that a certain product made me nauseous when taken on an empty stomach. That wasn’t allowed. Nothing was allowed, so I stopped buying.

TC did great. He put in the Alpha Cell, so I returned and am a customer again.

So these things cut both ways.

I’ve long said that no one should be able to say anything negative about Biotest supplements if they haven’t been here for at least a year. This keeps out the competitions’ trolls.

But if I say that I like to cycle a certain fat burner what’s the problem? Or if I say that a certain product doesn’t work… I don’t see the big deal.

Also, and this point is missed on a lot of people: Not all customers are created equal. Some people just shop once or twice.

There are certain people who tend to evangelicize products. I’ve turned a lot of people onto this site and Biotest. I’m betting a lot of the other “old timers” have, too. You think NateDogg, e.g., doesn’t tell people about Biotest? Yeah, right. Of course he does. And if you look big or are in shape, people ask what you take. So guys like X, RainJack, Utah Lama and others are going to get asked those types of questions. As a company, you want those customers happy.

So it’s pretty unsophisticated for people to suggest that turning off level 5 people is smart for business reasons. Often, it’s not.

Agreed. Any time there is a discussion about lifting with someone who comes up to me, the first questions asked are in regards to whatever supplements are being taken. Their sell of HOT-ROX probably has gone up as a direct result of my word of mouth alone, let alone those of others. My frat brothers came to the house and saw Spike all over the place so they wanted it too.

The people who are actually making some type of visible progress are the biggest billboard signs for this website.

It would be nice if this were realized and a muzzle were thrown over Shug’s writing from time to time.

If there is any “hate” thrown in his direction, it is because he keeps instigating it. Otherwise, I doubt anyone would care that much about what he writes aside from the groupies…But that’s okay. As long as those turds keep buying stuff.[/quote]

I think he needs to distinguish between “hate” and disagreement.

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TC,

I think most people appreciate you coming in and offering an explanation, but if you really care to know, I can tell you that a good 6-7 of your long-time customers now shop elsewhere (they have told me explicitly). This is due mostly to the moderation issue. I am not exaggerating because I have joined that crowd now.

If Biotest makes such high quality supplements and believes so highly in its R&D and marketing teams, then I feel having open, unmoderated customer feedback not only keeps Biotest honest by holding it accountable, but also serves as a great PR for the company (if much of the feedback is positive, as is usually the case).

I once wrote that I got nothing out of Spike (I still don’t) and a few members chimed in saying the same, but I was immediately sent a PM that my views do not reflect the majority of customers’ experiences. Well, no shit. It’s called variance in stimulant-response. You even had Poliquin write that people can sometimes experience the opposite effect of what a stimulant is known to do.

And the explanation for moderation of certain posts (namely regarding Biotest products) that your competitors have been known to sabotage you guys on the public forums is really weak; even weaker given that the response is a template response, which I know I have been PM’d twice and seen the exact language of in different threads.

I just can’t seem to buy the excuse of the rogue, Nazi mod causing problems. Given the change in direction of the site (post V-Diet success), it seems that the House of Patterson is receiving many upgrades and round-the-clock surveillance (monitoring of posts) is definitely one of them.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
TC,

I think most people appreciate you coming in and offering an explanation, but if you really care to know, I can tell you that a good 6-7 of your long-time customers now shop elsewhere (they have told me explicitly). This is due mostly to the moderation issue. I am not exaggerating because I have joined that crowd now.

If Biotest makes such high quality supplements and believes so highly in its R&D and marketing teams, then I feel having open, unmoderated customer feedback not only keeps Biotest honest by holding it accountable, but also serves as a great PR for the company (if much of the feedback is positive, as is usually the case).

I once wrote that I got nothing out of Spike (I still don’t) and a few members chimed in saying the same, but I was immediately sent a PM that my views do not reflect the majority of customers’ experiences. Well, no shit. It’s called variance in stimulant-response. You even had Poliquin write that people can sometimes experience the opposite effect of what a stimulant is known to do.

And the explanation for moderation of certain posts (namely regarding Biotest products) that your competitors have been known to sabotage you guys on the public forums is really weak; even weaker given that the response is a template response, which I know I have been PM’d twice and seen the exact language of in different threads.

I just can’t seem to buy the excuse of the rogue, Nazi mod causing problems. Given the change in direction of the site (post V-Diet success), it seems that the House of Patterson is receiving many upgrades and round-the-clock surveillance (monitoring of posts) is definitely one of them.[/quote]

I’m not trying to argue with you, but isn’t trying to avoid getting bashed by other companies reasonable?

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Most of the posts I had “moderated” probably deserved that treatment.

I still do believe though that some moderating is bullshit.

If I speculate that “Anaconda” probably makes your penis grow, hence the name, that is no reason to delete my post in a semi serious thread.

I understand that the S&N forum is more heavily moderated than most, but this is ridiculous.

Thst is not good for this site, it is annoying and serves no purpose.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I just can’t seem to buy the excuse of the rogue, Nazi mod causing problems. Given the change in direction of the site (post V-Diet success), it seems that the House of Patterson is receiving many upgrades and round-the-clock surveillance (monitoring of posts) is definitely one of them.[/quote]

Hmmmm…you may be onto something.

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Oh well, me post has disappeared.

How surprised I am not.

Has the Nazi Mod been resurrected?

Are Zombie Mods stalking T-Nation?

Inquiring minds want to know.