[quote]stockzy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I can of thought this is common sense. Dave Tate wrote years ago about majoring in minor things. With the money people spend they could buy steroids. Now i know that is not for everyone and I know it is illegal and poses health risks for some.
But here is the cost currently of test enathate according to some sources. 100$ for 250mg/ml, 10 ml. Tren acetate is 150$ per 100mg/ml for 10 ml. Let’s say you are going to do an 8 week cycle 1 g a week of test and 300mg a week of tren. You would spend 450$ for the tren with half a bottle left over. You would spend 400$ on the test with 8ml left over. your cost would be 320 for actual use of the test and about 375$ for the tren in actual stuff used.
700$ spent for something that will work. Throw in some post cycle stuff for app 60$ and you spent 800$. These are new inflated prices. A few years back it was about half.
400$ a month. Now how much do you spend on supplements and how much do you actually get out of them? Protein powder is food, but how much are you spending on all the other stuff with all their great promises?
So your advocating the use of steroids over supplements? Riiiiight. That’s quality advice there from a health care professional.
You want to extend your life, get good genes from your parents, don’t get obese, don’t smoke or drink to much, take some C and fish oil and get a load of fiber. The other stuff is icing on the cake if you can afford to take it.
You can’t take lab rats and extrapolate to much from a certain study. stick with the tried and true first, then if you have the cash take the other stuff. It won’t hurt you, but the jury is out on the long term effectiveness of this stuff. .
You like anti oxidants yet you don’t like Resveratrol? That’s interesting. You do know Resveratrol IS an anti oxidant don’t you? What’s also interesting is Vitamin C is your no.1 choice as an anti oxidant? Sorry but that discredits anything you have to say on the topic of supplements right there.
Studies show turmeric has powerful antioxidant properties and it’s dirt cheap. It has shown in some studies to be anticancer.
Your choice in supps always seems to come back to price? Why is that? What do you say when your chiropractic patients say they can’t afford to see you twice a week and they can get just as good results with a foam roller? You say they place no value on their health don’t you?
I agree alot of supps just give you expensive urine but your applying what little knowledge you have on supplements to every supplement. Did you just read an article on tumeric? Imagine when you find out about Dim, Licorice Root,Fenugreek or even Cinnamon… Seriously your outta your depth.
I though what I wrote was common sense initially,I guess common sense isn’t.
Can’t help the snide comments can you? Well allow me to retort.
I’ve been on the medical staff at five Arnold classics and 6 Ironman races. .
You must come in handy. When does a competitor at a bodybuilding competition or 10 hour iron man race need to get a high velocity adjustment?
I’m done here. Your stupidity needs to be moderated.[/quote]
I’m not advocating using steroids, I am pointing at that they work, most supplements do not do anything like thye promise to and people waste a whole lot of money on them…
Some guy in this thread said he has spent 6 to 7 K on Biotest supplements? and I’m sure he also shops elsewhere. Add it up and how successful are they with adding muscle per pound? What 10k and how many pounds of muscle, or fat lost. AT 50 pounds that is 200$ per pound.
Do you realize how much steak you can buy for 10K? 1000 -2000 pounds. And thta’s a nice surce of protein., Tall me you don’t believe supplement adss? and you think I’m stupid. do you think the Westside guys don’t use, hahaha! or pro bodybuilders?
And what the hell do you mean by a high velocity adjustment. Are you that stupid that you have never heard of ART? You know that soft tissue work that has been written about here. that T Mags beloved Tim Patterson is on the patent? Yep, ART has been the treatment docs for soft tissue injuries for the Ironman races for over ten years.
I might have some raw glandulars, dibencozide, cyclofenil and smilax officianalis for you if you’re interested. Want some gamma oryzanol? As for your wonderful Biotest studies that show that their antioixidant is so super good and will save mankind, why haven’t I hear about it on the news. You do realize that any such great product that will extend you life would merit some mention? Newslash, there are no studies that show a direct extension of life with this product.
But you want to spend your cash, just do it. Don’t get to upset when a health care practitioner with years of experience lifting treating and also wasting cash on whiz bang things and ignoring the basics. Be pissed off and think I’m stupid all you want, it’s your dough.
I might not be a supplement fan, but that does not mean that the guys here at Biotest are idiots. they are far from it. they’re all smart guys. they sell a product and they try to give you the best. I think for most they are unnecessary, but to each his own. Buy the protein, buy the post workout stuff and you’ll get a good product, but unless you learn to chose good real food and workout hard on a good program, you will not succeed.
You seem to be very young and nieve. Have fun with that. Another newsflash, not all supplements work as well as advertised. Did you happen to see the Bell documentary about steroids, Bigger, Stronger, Faster. They discuss the supplement business and the mixed messages that are often sent. And those models often take steroids, imagine that.Watch it and get back to me.
I’ve spent a lot of time talking to Dave Tate and Louie Simmons. I’ve been out to Westside about 4-5 times. The guys talk about training techniques, equipment, steroids, and how to get better from injuries. They almost never talk about supplements. They eat, they take some protein.
A few years ago Jim Wendler wrote a great article on nutrition. He have a quiz. first question was true or false, is candy good for you? Next was Are chicken, beef, and fish good sources of protein? Getting your nutritional house in order is not hard.
Here’s one, doc I need to lose weight and 'm lifting. how shou;d i change my diet. Me: Don’t go to Wing night at the local tavern eating 3 dozen wings and having a six pack. Patient : really, but you said protein was good. Me : Not fried wings, bake or grill some chicken breasts, drink water instead of beer and I think you’ll get better results.
Actual conversation BTW. you need to know two things to lose weight, move more and eat less. The details can be confusing, but it basically comes down to that.
And I almost forgot prohormones. Any of you guys take them in the past? Superdrol? Nandrosol, Androsol, or 1 AD. T bomb? you then took steroids. Maybe crappy steroids, but you still did orals. I know a few guys that will argue with me to this day about being clean but would take those things. now in their defense, they were legal. But they were also steroids.
Supplements are meant to supplement your needs after you have taken care of the major things, like your training and basic macronutrient needs. you have extra time to shop and money to burn try stuff. but I would first go to protein, then fiber. After that C and a good multi. Then fish oil. After that go for the pricier stuff and try it.
But if you’re scrimping on porterhouse steaks to save cash for the latest greatest thing, you’re missing the boat.