[quote]stockzy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
stockzy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Personally, I don’t buy Biotest products. I don’t think they’re worth it. I take pharmaceutical grade fish oil and vitamins from my office and buy some Muscle Milk or other protein. and I eat food. Basically after that, supplements are more expensive and work less well than steroids and people keep falling for it.
EAT FOOD, it works. And it’s cheaper.
This sounds like someone justifying why they don’t want to or don’t have the money to spend on supplements. It’s hard to see the value in something if you have never tried it, so the question is, have you tried Biotest Supps and other brands Supps and seen or felt little differnece between them thus coming to the conclusion that Biotest aren’t worth it? Or is something else going on here?
If your happy with how you feel, how you look, and your progress in the gym then go hard but if you’ve never tried something, don’t bag it. It’s human nature to attack what you don’t understand but that doesn’t make it right.
What’s that saying? If you’ve never seen valleys how do you recognise mountains???
EDIT: I could also go on about modern farming techniques, pasteurization and the declining nutrient density of food and how an apple today is vastly different to an apple as little as 50 years ago meaning more and more supplements will be required to remain healthy but…I can’t be assed.
Ugh, I’m like a chiropractor doctor guy who is 45 years old. I did not say I never used, I said I don’t use.
This is based on my training and experience, much with some of the best lifters on the planet. I’ve been on the medical staff at five Arnold classics and 6 Ironman races.
I’m 5’7" and about 200 pounds now. I have suffered some major health issues the last part of last year, but before the shingles and gall bladder issue, I was a few inches shy of a six hundred pound deadlift.
I’m not poor, i’m not wek, and I have health care training. I have lifted since 13 years of age and lusted after supplements sicne that time, because I knew that would fix everything. Joe Weider, Bob Hoffman, raw glandulars, smilax, cyclofenil. anyone remember that?
Protein powder works, take some. Antioxidants and digestive enzymes can help. Take some fiber, maybe some acidophilus. As for all the whiz bang stuff, you want to try it, go ahead. My perspective is from 32 years of observing the supplement industry.
BTW, I take muscle milk because of the higher calorie content. I pick it up at the local GNC, smemtimes I’ll buy other stuff on a sale.
As for modern farming techiques, be glad you have them because we would be starving without them. Want a good read, buy the Last Centurion by John Ringo.
Not a bad reply. If you had included some of that experience with supplements and training in your intitial post it would have lended more credibility to your statement.
As i’m sure your aware alot of people just jump on here and make unjustifiable snide comments just to get a reaction. This is how it looked to me, and especially because of the topic of this thread you should’ve expected some criticism.
I don’t agree with everything you said in this post and others following it but there’s a time and a place.
Hope your health continues to improve and you get your numbers back to where they were.
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I can of thought this is common sense. Dave Tate wrote years ago about majoring in minor things. With the money people spend they could buy steroids. Now i know that is not for everyone and I know it is illegal and poses health risks for some.
But here is the cost currently of test enathate according to some sources. 100$ for 250mg/ml, 10 ml. Tren acetate is 150$ per 100mg/ml for 10 ml. Let’s say you are going to do an 8 week cycle 1 g a week of test and 300mg a week of tren. You would spend 450$ for the tren with half a bottle left over. You would spend 400$ on the test with 8ml left over. your cost would be 320 for actual use of the test and about 375$ for the tren in actual stuff used.
700$ spent for something that will work. Throw in some post cycle stuff for app 60$ and you spent 800$. These are new inflated prices. A few years back it was about half.
400$ a month. Now how much do you spend on supplements and how much do you actually get out of them? Protein powder is food, but how much are you spending on all the other stuff with all their great promises?
You want to extend your life, get good genes from your parents, don’t get obese, don’t smoke or drink to much, take some C and fish oil and get a load of fiber. The other stuff is icing on the cake if you can afford to take it.
You can’t take lab rats and extrapolate to much from a certain study. stick with the tried and true first, then if you have the cash take the other stuff. It won’t hurt you, but the jury is out on the long term effectiveness of this stuff.
Studies show turmeric has powerful antioxidant properties and it’s dirt cheap. It has shown in some studies to be anticancer.
I though what I wrote was common sense initially,I guess common sense isn’t.
