How big are all of you again?
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
How big are all of you again?[/quote]
Hehehehe, tell me how big you are, and I’ll tell you how much bigger I am 
Seriously, posting that kinda question on an internet forum…
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
How big are all of you again?[/quote]
coming from the guy with no stats in his profile.
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
How big are all of you again?[/quote]
9 1/4 inches…wait…is that what you wanted?
here is how big I am
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DG
I honestly think that the whole “1 hour rule” is over emphasized. Just get in there, beat your last performance and finish the workout. It’s not going to make a huge difference if it takes you 1 hour or 2.
That said, I agree with what others have said about not being able to sustain high amounts of intensity for 3 hours. And about not wanting to go long periods without food.
I just think that it will vary some depending on the individual and the routine. And that the only thing that matters in the end is results. If this guy is getting huge with 3 hour workouts, and so are his clients, then what he’s doing is working. You can’t argue with results.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I honestly think that the whole “1 hour rule” is over emphasized. Just get in there, beat your last performance and finish the workout. It’s not going to make a huge difference if it takes you 1 hour or 2.
That said, I agree with what others have said about not being able to sustain high amounts of intensity for 3 hours. And about not wanting to go long periods without food.
I just think that it will vary some depending on the individual and the routine. And that the only thing that matters in the end is results. If this guy is getting huge with 3 hour workouts, and so are his clients, then what he’s doing is working. You can’t argue with results.[/quote]
agreed
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
IgneLudo wrote:
How big are all of you again?
9 1/4 inches…wait…is that what you wanted?
here is how big I am
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DG[/quote]
hmmm…doesn’t look like 9 1/4 inches to me. lol, jk
well I did 2 and 3 hour workouts when I first started, and made great gains doing so, I also would train 2 hours a time in an am/pm split 3 times a week and one pm session for the 4th day and built a solid foundation of strength that way…once the years had passed I realized it was no longer necessary for me to spend so much time on each exercise and to take all my strength and focus it into one to two good sets for each exercise…
Personally i would not recommend anyone with less than 4 years experience in solid training use this kind of training, as its a waste…I think you need alot of experience before you can truly understand what high intensity is…and unless you have a solid foundation of strength, one to two sets just won’t cut it…example: 2 sets of bench for 6-8 reps at 225 vs 2 sets of bench 6-8 reps at 405…225 just won’t cut it no matter what
do you get my point? I trained just for strength for yyears even though I wanted to be a bodybuilder, I trained powerlifting…but once I got respectable numbers for reps, I moved back to bodybuilding and grew like a weed
I would reccommend you spend years learning your body, doing 2 and three hour workouts just so you really learn how to work a muscle and work an exercise, and build a solid foundation of strength…once those goals have been accomplished, switch it up, try high intensity or DC or whatever floats your boat as it will be much more effective because you will know how to do the exercises in your sleep and will be able to do them with proper form and heavy weights
[quote]underthestar wrote:
well I did 2 and 3 hour workouts when I first started, and made great gains doing so, I also would train 2 hours a time in an am/pm split 3 times a week and one pm session for the 4th day and built a solid foundation of strength that way…once the years had passed I realized it was no longer necessary for me to spend so much time on each exercise and to take all my strength and focus it into one to two good sets for each exercise…Personally i would not recommend anyone with less than 4 years experience in solid training use this kind of training, as its a waste…I think you need alot of experience before you can truly understand what high intensity is…and unless you have a solid foundation of strength, one to two sets just won’t cut it…example: 2 sets of bench for 6-8 reps at 225 vs 2 sets of bench 6-8 reps at 405…225 just won’t cut it no matter what
do you get my point? I trained just for strength for yyears even though I wanted to be a bodybuilder, I trained powerlifting…but once I got respectable numbers for reps, I moved back to bodybuilding and grew like a weed
I would reccommend you spend years learning your body, doing 2 and three hour workouts just so you really learn how to work a muscle and work an exercise, and build a solid foundation of strength…once those goals have been accomplished, switch it up, try high intensity or DC or whatever floats your boat as it will be much more effective because you will know how to do the exercises in your sleep and will be able to do them with proper form and heavy weights[/quote]
I agree, I also want to add that in your early training years, there’s still this kind of playfulness/inexperience going on (dunno what the right word is), i.e. you hear what someone else does for their delts and want to try it out IMMEDIATELY, no matter how stupid it seems, etc.
DC, for example, needs a lot of trust (as Dante or In-Human said, or maybe both) and while you can experiment with exercise selection, you should really already know what works for you and what doesn’t.
You also need to have gone past this mentality of changing your whole routine all the time.
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
How big are all of you again?[/quote]
Read my profile. I’m 6’-2" and 250+lbs. So?
By the way, Max OT type training requires only 30 to 40 minutes for all of 5 weekly workouts. The guys I’ve seen that use this exclusively aren’t exactly underdeveloped.
Plus, if you can get a growth stimulation in 40 minutes with one style of training and the same stiumulation could take three hours, the 40 minute workout is superior period.
Unless you just HAVE to spend that much time hanging out because it makes you feel better or more “hardcore”.
Personally, I’d rather bust my ass for 40 minutes and get home to my life and family but that’s just me.
I get to the gym and usually have eaten a decent amount about an hour before.
Spend 1-2 hours every time. I do probably rest more than average, but this helps me knock out stronger, consistent sets. Works well for me.
You may get larger individuals spending under and hour in the gym, but again, from what I’ve seen the bigger guys are usually in there for 1.5hours+. I’m 6’ @ ~210lbs.
Also, sometimes (rarely), there are guys who look like they lift and may have been for a number of years, but they still don’t fucking know what they are talking about - such as “lifing over 20reps will make you cut” and such things. The big guys are hardly ever wrong.
[quote]derek wrote:
Personally, I’d rather bust my ass for 40 minutes and get home to my life and family but that’s just me.[/quote]
yup, add to that I’m usually toast after a few exercises anyway…
[quote]derek wrote:
Personally, I’d rather bust my ass for 40 minutes and get home to my life and family but that’s just me.[/quote]
No argument there. I just don’t like these “rules” that get tossed around which wind up causing people to stress about minor details. If you read some articles and believed everything said in them, you’d think that you would not make gains if your routine goes over an hour. When, if you take a look at the real world, you’ll see plenty of big guys breaking this “rule” and still making gains.
Just do the workout. If it only takes you 40 minutes, great. If it takes you 2 hours also ok. What matters is progression over the long run, and eating and resting enough. As long as you are getting results what you are doing is working.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
derek wrote:
Personally, I’d rather bust my ass for 40 minutes and get home to my life and family but that’s just me.
No argument there. I just don’t like these “rules” that get tossed around which wind up causing people to stress about minor details. If you read some articles and believed everything said in them, you’d think that you would not make gains if your routine goes over an hour. When, if you take a look at the real world, you’ll see plenty of big guys breaking this “rule” and still making gains.
Just do the workout. If it only takes you 40 minutes, great. If it takes you 2 hours also ok. What matters is progression over the long run, and eating and resting enough. As long as you are getting results what you are doing is working.[/quote]
That is too simple for people. As weird as it sounds.
[quote]Taufiq wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
IgneLudo wrote:
How big are all of you again?
9 1/4 inches…wait…is that what you wanted?
here is how big I am
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DG
hmmm…doesn’t look like 9 1/4 inches to me. lol, jk[/quote]
hahaha…ya ok I’m lying. lol
DG
Fucking pussy.
Just my 2 cents here but…
What the T-Nation articles say about training 45-1 hr are pretty much accurate. Try to lift like an animal for longer. You, like…can’t.
However, I think its possible to grow with a longer routine too. Back in highschool, are football programs consisted of gruelingly high intensity (80-95%) of max, at rep ranges from 3x3 to 5,4,3,2,1 to 3x10. 2 big lifts a day and 4 auxilery lifts. 3 days a week full body work outs,(this story is not about tbt vs. split) rep out the last set. Auxilery lifts were always 3x10.
Now this might seem ridiculous with heavy weights, but there were 50-60 football players in groups of 4 in a small highschool weight room. You had 2 1/2 to 3 minutes to rest, which allowed you to recover enough to do it.
The guys that didn’t dick around got pretty damn big, highschool or otherwise.
The gym guy is probably getting paid by the hour though.