I occasionally take ephedrine, Spike etc. to kick it up a bit during training. I was wondering if, as over 35’ers you all have had any problems, or if there are any documented results for the middle aged lifters using such supplements. Personally I found that for squats it kind of messes me up, but for bench it seems to help, and deads don’t seem to go either way.
My biggest concern is what happens if we use these types of supplements long term and at our age. I think that we can go to the well only so long, until the body says “no more” and when that happens will recovery ever bring me back to normal?
I’ve found, for me, occasionaly use seems to be just fine. No long term affects that I’ve noticed. I usually will use Spike when I’m training lower. Keeps me focused. I know when I use them for weightloss, and ECA does work, I go 5 on , 2 off for a few weeks, then I take a week off and start again till I reached my goal. It’s been said that continuous use will lead to adrenal burnout, but I’ve never been there. Probably didn’t answer your question, but this has been my experience. BTW, I’m 43.
Thanks for the reply Ruglayer, I’m 52 and work a lot of night shifts. The reason I posted is that I find that it takes me more and more stimulants to get me going, and when I stop I have a heck of a time getting jacked to lift. I just hope it’s because of being an old fart and not as you mentioned the adrenal burnout. I understand that it takes a long time to recover from adrenal fatigue\burnout so I hope that is not the case. I know a simple cause could also be low test, but I am assuming at this point it might also be my synthroid dosage as I am also hypothyroid. I would rather be due to the lack of sleep or something easily fixed.
Stimulants are hard on the adrenals and long term use can fuck up one’s dopamine system. Dopamine loss is a major factor in age related mental decline, lack of activity and depression.
I was on ritalin at the age of 14 and adderall from 19 until 32. I wonder all the time how much long-term damage was done to my system. The Dr’s claim none, but common sense would suggest otherwise.
Recommend trazodone as a sleep aid and deprenyl/seleginine. Good synergy with cabergoline/Dostinex, but it would be very rare for a doctor to recognize the value or validity. Note that the selective MAO-B inhibitor can potentiate other things and make some other drugs too strong. You would be taking a low dose, 2.5mg EOD.
Recommend trazodone as a sleep aid and deprenyl/seleginine. Good synergy with cabergoline/Dostinex, but it would be very rare for a doctor to recognize the value or validity. Note that the selective MAO-B inhibitor can potentiate other things and make some other drugs too strong. You would be taking a low dose, 2.5mg EOD.[/quote]
I’ve read a number of your responses on this site that are very specific. Is this what you do for a living? You’ve probably said somewhere else but I haven’t seen it. At any rate, I appreciate the input.
Ksman got me to look into this also,I been taking ephedra for over 15 yrs,prob double the gose,ive even taken it with HOT-ROX,SPIKE, at same time…my dr will not give me script for dostinex,well unless I have my prolactin checked,which I have a script for,but doubt it will be low,back to my point,I did start wellbuterin
which has helped…but im looking to do more…
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
I’ve found, for me, occasionaly use seems to be just fine. No long term affects that I’ve noticed. I usually will use Spike when I’m training lower. Keeps me focused. I know when I use them for weightloss, and ECA does work, I go 5 on , 2 off for a few weeks, then I take a week off and start again till I reached my goal. It’s been said that continuous use will lead to adrenal burnout, but I’ve never been there. Probably didn’t answer your question, but this has been my experience. BTW, I’m 43.[/quote]
I’m going to have to parrot this. I’ve had mild adrenal fatigue b4 as a result of over use of stimulants, but it was a LOT of stimulants, and I had a night shift job at the time.(same stuff as the OP mentioned) Now I just use as needed, and find that if I ‘cycle off’ for a while it resets my sensitivity, and stimulants have a greater affect. Guess it’s part of that whole homeostasis thing.