London's Log

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
Congratulations on the enlistment London. Lord Kitchener would be proud.

Without undermining OPSEC, are you regular army or para? Or something else? What a rush either way. I wish you the best![/quote]

Thanks mate. Lord Kitchener would probably poke me out of the way with a sharp stick!

I’m something else. I don’t honestly know what the form is on what I can and can’t divulge, I’m sure if I came out with it, more experienced military guys like Idaho would probably say ‘don’t worry about it’ - but there isn’t a handbook on what you are able to reveal on open forums, and were I to ask the question, I’d obviously get the response - don’t tell people anything on open public forums, so I’m fumbling in the dark here. I’d happily tell you in person, but given that I don’t know who stops by here, or what their motivations are, I need to be a bit circumspect. I’m sorry I can’t be more open, brother.

20th April 2015

5/3/1 Push press

1s week - 5 x 105lbs, 3 x 119lbs, 3 x 133lbs Joker - 150lbsx1

FSL - 3 x 10 x 105

Rear delts 4x14

Rollouts - 40 odd reps Working on a standing rollout. About 80% of the way there. No real structure here, just enjoying myself, and got some good volume in. Some from the knees, some from standing, some up hill, some down hill.

15 minutes shadow boxing

My elbows and right wrist were pretty sore after the past couple of days, so took it a bit easier today.

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
Congratulations on the enlistment London. Lord Kitchener would be proud.

Without undermining OPSEC, are you regular army or para? Or something else? What a rush either way. I wish you the best![/quote]

Thanks mate. Lord Kitchener would probably poke me out of the way with a sharp stick!

I’m something else. I don’t honestly know what the form is on what I can and can’t divulge, I’m sure if I came out with it, more experienced military guys like Idaho would probably say ‘don’t worry about it’ - but there isn’t a handbook on what you are able to reveal on open forums, and were I to ask the question, I’d obviously get the response - don’t tell people anything on open public forums, so I’m fumbling in the dark here. I’d happily tell you in person, but given that I don’t know who stops by here, or what their motivations are, I need to be a bit circumspect. I’m sorry I can’t be more open, brother. [/quote]

I remember when we talked about this several months ago about the process of getting a Top Secret Clearance. Obviously, you got through the process, so, congratulations. I just had my background completed for renewal, they only went back 8 years for this one, so no problems. Some friendly advise: Common sense items like never talking about operational details, where you physically work, your unit and chain of command, what miltary you are assigned too, nothing about any 3 letter agencies. If you have a FaceBook, Twitter, Instagram , photo blogs accounts, etc, either delete the accounts or never go back. Every intelligence agency in the world builds massive data bases off these sites. Never ceases to amaze me what people post on line. I want to find a badguy? I start there. T-Nation is my only source of social media and I only post comments that I consider safe, or, like on the “Bad Ideas” thread, stuff that I can modify. Just use common sense, which believe it or not, is not in vogue these days.

Enjoying your log, keep it up. You got a heavy bag out there in sheep country? or is it goats?:)) Havent been in your part of the world for some time. Stay safe.

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
Congratulations on the enlistment London. Lord Kitchener would be proud.

Without undermining OPSEC, are you regular army or para? Or something else? What a rush either way. I wish you the best![/quote]

Thanks mate. Lord Kitchener would probably poke me out of the way with a sharp stick!

I’m something else. I don’t honestly know what the form is on what I can and can’t divulge, I’m sure if I came out with it, more experienced military guys like Idaho would probably say ‘don’t worry about it’ - but there isn’t a handbook on what you are able to reveal on open forums, and were I to ask the question, I’d obviously get the response - don’t tell people anything on open public forums, so I’m fumbling in the dark here. I’d happily tell you in person, but given that I don’t know who stops by here, or what their motivations are, I need to be a bit circumspect. I’m sorry I can’t be more open, brother. [/quote]

I remember when we talked about this several months ago about the process of getting a Top Secret Clearance. Obviously, you got through the process, so, congratulations. I just had my background completed for renewal, they only went back 8 years for this one, so no problems. Some friendly advise: Common sense items like never talking about operational details, where you physically work, your unit and chain of command, what miltary you are assigned too, nothing about any 3 letter agencies. If you have a FaceBook, Twitter, Instagram , photo blogs accounts, etc, either delete the accounts or never go back. Every intelligence agency in the world builds massive data bases off these sites. Never ceases to amaze me what people post on line. I want to find a badguy? I start there. T-Nation is my only source of social media and I only post comments that I consider safe, or, like on the “Bad Ideas” thread, stuff that I can modify. Just use common sense, which believe it or not, is not in vogue these days.

Enjoying your log, keep it up. You got a heavy bag out there in sheep country? or is it goats?:)) Havent been in your part of the world for some time. Stay safe.
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Thanks Idaho, very much appreciated. That’s pretty much the principle I’d been working to - if in doubt, don’t say anything at all. I’m not quite fully cleared, still have final specialist training to go and I can’t get on it for a month or two still, which is disappointing.

Absolutely agree with the social media thing. I have an account with FB that I use to make sure I can contact friends/people I meet after several years of radio silence, but it’s void of information, or has false information, and hasn’t been updated since 2007 - deliberately.

Obviously I cannot comment on the specific nature of our wildlife for fear that the bad guys will catch us unawares during R&R with some kind of farm-animal-born toxin. We do try to keep the animals lean enough that their hind legs will fit down the front of all standard military issue wellington boots.

22/4/15

5/3/1 Deadlift

Evening:

1s week - 5x240, 3x270, 3x303

Conditioning:

Tabata (20/10 for 4 minutes):

Round 1 - dumbbell snatches
Round 2 - jumping jacks
Round 3 - 8 count bodybuilders

30 seconds rest between rounds. Really pushed to get anything in. Hit the big lift, and hit the conditioning a bit.

Late evening:

500 situps
500 pushups
500 bodyweight squats
250 neck curls

Nice conditioning work here London!

I’m sorry, did that say 500 push ups? Wtf?!

500 situps
500 pushups
500 bodyweight squats
250 neck curls

LB,
Hellacious work there bro, maybe SAS/ SBS in your future.

Thanks very much guys.

I think I’m still getting the hang of notation, and that might have been misleading. I ran that as a circuit, doing 50 reps of each exercise straight through, no rest til all reps were done. The idea was just to be constantly working until I got it all done (got bored of the neck curls and they were giving me too much rest). So those numbers were the totals, rather than me doing 500 straight reps (pushup rep pr is 108 in 2 minutes).

[quote]idaho wrote:
500 situps
500 pushups
500 bodyweight squats
250 neck curls

LB,
Hellacious work there bro, maybe SAS/ SBS in your future.[/quote]

Thanks mate. It is possible that I will be spending a good deal of time in close proximity with that sort of soldier, so my attitude when I train is to be someone they’d take seriously as being able to hold their own.

I’ve come to the end of my 4th cycle of 5/3/1, and I think it’s an excellent program. I’ve made decent progress over the past 3-4 months. However, I don’t feel that my training cycle/schedule really fits a 4 day template, or that it is the most optimal setup for my goals. I’m planning to make some adjustments. The two main things I’d like to change are: 1. number of days trained in a week 2. a specific deadlift day.

  1. I can, and want to train more than 4 days each week. There are things I am not currently training that I would like to. One of the best things 5/3/1 has taught me is to focus on one lift each time you’re in the gym - just to get in, hit one thing hard and use it as a measure of progress, everything else you do that day is about supporting that main movement and making it progress. I prefer this type of training as it makes what I am setting out to achieve each time I step into the gym absolutely clear. If I only have time to hit one movement, that doesn’t matter, because that is the important part of the work anyway. I can always do more another day if I have the time or inclination. That suits me better, as I am bad with structured programs, and outside of the main lift, I can loose motivation with the smaller stuff.

From reading Alpha’s log, there are a few concepts from there that I want to incorporate. I like the idea of doing some conditioning first, and his reasons for doing it obviously make a lot sense with regards to my current situation (ie, all out conditioning effort to get into the situation, max strength/hard weighted work once you’re in, and conditioning after to get yourself out of the situation). I also like the way that he uses his conditioning in part as support work/volume work for various muscle groups. Just as Wendler might get you doing BBB for 5x10@50%, Alpha might use 50% bodyweight and do a number of rounds where there is essentially BBB work involved, just with sprints and conditioning/dynamic work thrown in. This appeals as I like to get in the gym and get shit done, keep moving until I’m through, and then leave.

  1. The deadlift - I feel that it doesn’t offer me as much for my goals as sandbag shouldering and stone lifting. With my other lifts, I always feel like I’ve built strength when I do my sets, but with the deadlift, I leave feeling like I’ve demonstrated it (or a lack of it in my case), rather than added to it. I find I enjoy the sandbag work, both high rep stuff and heavy low rep shouldering much more than I do the deadlift, and I know exactly why I’m doing it. When I do the sandbag work I can feel my grip, my hands, my traps etc all being toughened and strengthened. I’m open minded on this, so if anyone has any thoughts one way or another I’m listening.

As far as how I might program, I’m thinking of a general structure of:

Conditioning - 2xtabata, or a short run if I’m feeling beaten up.

Strength - 1 main lift focused on getting stronger, 1-2 supporting lifts aimed at volume (if I’m pushed for time I’d drop these and do high rep calisthenics later in the day). I’d also do neck work in between sets.

Conditioning - Longer, medley based stuff with a strength/volume/endurance element (eg SB carry, sprint, burpees, jumping jacks, pushups for X rounds), or if I’m feeling beaten up some skipping and shadowboxing.

As for how this might actually look on paper:

Day 1:
Short conditioning

Bench (keep 5/3/1 progression + FSL)
Rows 4-5 sets ramping
Rear delts 3-4 sets/rest pause at consistent weight

Longer conditioning

Day 2:

Short conditioning

Squat (keep 5/3/1 progression + FSL)
High rep SB shouldering.

Longer conditioning

Day 3:

Short conditioning

Weighted chins - work up in sets of 3 to a top set
Rope climbs

Longer conditioning session

Day 4:

Short conditioning

Push press (keep 5/3/1 +FSL progression)
Rear delts - probably one big rest pause set.

Longer conditioning session

Day 5:

Short conditioning

Stone lifting/heavy sandbag shouldering - lots of singles, doubles and triples - I like the idea of doing 1-3 reps on the minute every minute for 10-15 minutes with this.
Shrugs from pins - high reps, 1-2 sets

Longer conditioning.

As I say, some of the longer conditioning sessions would have strength elements thrown in (eg. SB floor presses/suplexes), to make up for the fact that I wouldn’t be doing a massive amount of strength work in the strength portion of any given workout.

I’d be interested to know what people think - I’m planning to start this evening, as I’ll be away with the army over the weekend and I won’t be doing anything particularly physical, so I’d like to get some quality work in tonight and tomorrow before I go.

There will inevitably be tweeks and changes but your training plan looks pretty good. Keep up the good work! You’re killing it in here.

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
There will inevitably be tweeks and changes but your training plan looks pretty good. Keep up the good work! You’re killing it in here.[/quote]

Thanks mate, I was hoping you’d stop by and give me your opinion. You’re dead on, I don’t think I’ll get through a single 7 days period where I manage to do everything exactly as it’s written, whether that’s a conditioning session that has to go, or an accessory lift that doesn’t get hit, something’s always likely to have to give. That said, the idea is that I’ve picked 5 exercises to progress on each week, either with weight or reps, and if in my worst week I got those, and a few hard conditioning sessions in, I could live with that. I’ll still be mostly judging progress on the 5/3/1 lifts.

No objection to dropping deadlifts? Obviously I’ve tried to include work that provides a similar hip hinge movement.

Well, obviously a powerlifter is going to have objections about someone cutting out deadlifts lol. You can’t really “replace” deads with anything other than other deadlift variations. The reason being is that your deadlift is limited by the strength of ones hips and back; whereas, sandbag shoulders, etc… are limited by arm, hand and shoulder strength. I would classify sandbag shoulders along side power movements like clean and anatch variations. IMO, you should still do some sort of deadlift at least every other week. The thing is, it doesn’t EVER have to be barbell deadlifts from the floor unless you are a powerlifter (and even then it doesn’t have to be those very often).

I would sub pulls from blocks with the bar just below the knee frequently if I were you. You could also use a trap bar, lots of chains so it is easy off the floor but heavy at lockout (this is kind of along the lines of a block or rack pull), Romanian deads, deads with straps, deficit deads and the list goes on. I favor pulls with a shortened rom because they will train your back and hips but without the huge recovery demands of the longer rom variations, plus, you get to move some massive poundages that way which trains your tendons and ligaments to grow tougher.

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

I would sub pulls from blocks with the bar just below the knee frequently if I were you. You could also use a trap bar, lots of chains so it is easy off the floor but heavy at lockout (this is kind of along the lines of a block or rack pull), Romanian deads, deads with straps, deficit deads and the list goes on. I favor pulls with a shortened rom because they will train your back and hips but without the huge recovery demands of the longer rom variations, plus, you get to move some massive poundages that way which trains your tendons and ligaments to grow tougher.[/quote]

Thank you my friend, that’s the business. Would you recommend going for reps, or going for heavier weights? I was basically going to buy a bunch of mats, as TH3 PWNISHER suggests in his log, and stand the barbell on that. I’d love to use chains but damn they are expensive round here. So maybe the answer is to pull from those mats, just below the base of the knee, as my second exercise on day 5? I actually really like the deadlift, I just find, for whatever reason, that it really takes it out of me. I think perhaps because I have long legs, and normal sized arms, I have to move the weight through quite a long range of motion.

Really grateful for the advice, mate.

Edit - the whole tendon and ligament training is something I’m really interested in. I’m a big fan of Bud Jeffries, and he is huge on that, and if you think block pulls or what have you will help with that, then I’m all in.

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

I would sub pulls from blocks with the bar just below the knee frequently if I were you. You could also use a trap bar, lots of chains so it is easy off the floor but heavy at lockout (this is kind of along the lines of a block or rack pull), Romanian deads, deads with straps, deficit deads and the list goes on. I favor pulls with a shortened rom because they will train your back and hips but without the huge recovery demands of the longer rom variations, plus, you get to move some massive poundages that way which trains your tendons and ligaments to grow tougher.[/quote]

Thank you my friend, that’s the business. Would you recommend going for reps, or going for heavier weights? I was basically going to buy a bunch of mats, as TH3 PWNISHER suggests in his log, and stand the barbell on that. I’d love to use chains but damn they are expensive round here. So maybe the answer is to pull from those mats, just below the base of the knee, as my second exercise on day 5? I actually really like the deadlift, I just find, for whatever reason, that it really takes it out of me. I think perhaps because I have long legs, and normal sized arms, I have to move the weight through quite a long range of motion.

Really grateful for the advice, mate.

Edit - the whole tendon and ligament training is something I’m really interested in. I’m a big fan of Bud Jeffries, and he is huge on that, and if you think block pulls or what have you will help with that, then I’m all in.
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It is my opinion that the most beneficial aspect of deadlifts is the gigantic stress they can provide in the form of poundage. For this reason I would do them with low, low reps and auper heavy weights. For me, working up to a top set of 1, 2 or 3 reps is all that I need (of course, it takes me at least 7 or 8 sets to work up to that weight because I can pull quite a bit). If you want to build a little mass you could drop the weight and do 3x5-8 for some volume. 80% of your top set weight is appropriate for these volume sets. Then just try to hit a tiny little PR every other week. The PR could be an extra rep or 5 extra lbs. Just keep the PR’s as small as possible and don’t hit them more often than every other week. On weeks that you aren’t going to hit a PR, go kind of easy on the deadlifts; no more than 85% of your previous PR. You can still row heavy, etc…

Thanks Lofty, I will do exactly as you suggest with those. I’ll probably do mini-cycles with them, unless you recommend otherwise - so 4 weeks aimed at strength (a few sets, ramping to a very heavy rep or two), and the next 4 weeks with a lower weight, more reps/set, aimed at building mass.

I actually would suggest otherwise. I like block periodizing for a precontest cycle for a powerlifter because it is essentially just a tapering peak cycle but for someone with your goals I would

You have certain jobs that meed to be done in your training and certain tools to accomplish those jobs. The deadlift is a tool to increase strength before it is a tool to build mass or condition. So, for the job of building strength, use the deadlift with heavy weights and lower reps. Use a more appropriate tool for your hypertrophy goals (accessory lifts like rows, pull ups, etc…) and appropriate tools for your conditioning as well. If you want to train in blocks you can just focus on which of those 3 things you emphasize for a 2-6 week period but they all still get trained which stops you from gaining one skill at the expense of another. So you could just push conditioning 1 month, hypertrophy the next month and strength the month after that but you would train all 3 the whole time. An example of a deadlift day would be something like:

Box Jumps
5x5

Block Pulls
Work up to 3rm

Barbell Rows
5x8-12

Conditioning circuit
Just pick movements that involve primarily legs and back since it’s deadlift day.

You get the idea, something for power, something for strength, something for mass, something for conditioning. You can do this for all of your lifting days. I would keep the days like this at 4 sessions a week. On the other days you can hit up some arms, jogging, etc…

Thank you for taking the time to explain that, I think I understand what you’re getting at.

I don’t especially like training in blocks, if I’m honest, I find it a bit disjointed, although I probably tend to auto-regulate a bit.

For Deadlift day then, I would be looking at something like the following:

1st conditioning - Tabata/circuits: jumping lunges/bodyweight squats/manmakers/burpees

Strength - Block pulls working up to 3rm, heavy sandbag shoulders/stone lifts (1-2 reps on the minute each minute)

2nd conditioning - SB carry, hill sprint, SB rows (12ish reps), SB lunges (20ish reps) Rinse and repeat a few times.

23rd April 2015

Bench day 5/3/1

Conditioning intro:

Minute drills: 2:30 work, 30s rest.

10 burpees
10 pressups
10 jumping lunges
10 db swings (2x25lb dumbells)

Strength work:

5s week Bench

5x120lbs, 5x139lbs, 6x157lbs

‘Supersetted’ with neck work - front and back bridges 3 x 1min of each type

Giant set

Bench FSL 10,10,10
Pendlay rows 12,12,10
Rear delt raises 10,11,9

Conditioning outro:

Shadowboxing & jump rope

20 minutes straight.

Notes: this was harder than I thought it would be. Although the overall volume isn’t that different to what I’d typically do, the layout made it all much more difficult, which surprised me