[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Go to a place like SA, kids get beat if they don’t listen and you’ll see very few who don’t grow up respecting adults and other peoples shit.
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Where is SA? South Africa? South America?
Can’t be South Africa surely, they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.
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LOL, I grew up in South Africa. Trust me on this one.
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.
Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]
All true except the first part. Of course they have the power for that.
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Isn’t it… against the law?[/quote]
How many laws have you broken in your life up to this point? I dont want to start down the road of “I only follow the laws I believe in” but I draw the line at a nanny state telling me I cant give my child a slap on the ass when they’ve really done wrong. If that is what it takes, I will do it regardless of the law because my biggest concern would be to ensure my child grows up KNOWING and REALISING right and wrong. I want them to believe in something, in themselves, to have a moral compass.
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This is true and I agree, but do you really want to risk losing your kids or child abuse charges if some nosy idiot gets involved and calls “authorities”?
Make no mistake, I plan to beat my kids. lol
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.
Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]
All true except the first part. Of course they have the power for that.
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Isn’t it… against the law?[/quote]
How many laws have you broken in your life up to this point? I dont want to start down the road of “I only follow the laws I believe in” but I draw the line at a nanny state telling me I cant give my child a slap on the ass when they’ve really done wrong. If that is what it takes, I will do it regardless of the law because my biggest concern would be to ensure my child grows up KNOWING and REALISING right and wrong. I want them to believe in something, in themselves, to have a moral compass.
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This is true and I agree, but do you really want to risk losing your kids or child abuse charges if some nosy idiot gets involved and calls “authorities”?
Make no mistake, I plan to beat my kids. lol[/quote]
I dont want to run the risk of losing my kids or get done for “child abuse”. Nobody wants that. But I will have to deal with the consequences of trying to bring my child up with those methods [Which I believe are sometimes the best methods in certain situations].
I dont want to look back on any of my life and think “I really should have made the choice I wanted to instead of being scared of some consequences that may or may not happen”. You get one life, and I believe you should do your best.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]rugggby wrote:
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?
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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.
I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).
I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.
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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?
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Its been confirmed he was carrying a converted gun that was loaded. Reason enough for me
Apparently police had intelligence he was on his way to avenge the death of his cousin
[quote]trueblue316 wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]rugggby wrote:
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?
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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.
I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).
I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.
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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?
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Its been confirmed he was carrying a converted gun that was loaded. Reason enough for me
Apparently police had intelligence he was on his way to avenge the death of his cousin[/quote]
And where did you hear that report? All I have heard is contradictions and proof of police lies.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]trueblue316 wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]rugggby wrote:
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?
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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.
I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).
I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.
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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?
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Its been confirmed he was carrying a converted gun that was loaded. Reason enough for me
Apparently police had intelligence he was on his way to avenge the death of his cousin[/quote]
And where did you hear that report? All I have heard is contradictions and proof of police lies.
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BBC news has reported a converted starter pistol was found at the scene of the incident several times over the last couple of days. Obviously this is not concrete but it will soon be dispelled if not true.
The part about avenging his cousins death is purely what different news outlets have theorised on from “police sources”. Again speculation till the police intelligence is released.
Think we have to remember the police aren’t going to be having you under surveillance and having you followed by armed police for having your wheelie bin too full, if in the coming days its announced the guy WAS found to be in possession of a gun, case closed and he shouldn’t be mourned.
What have the police lied about?? Because certain media outlets have run with a story about a bullet in an officers radio this makes the police liars?
The only concrete thing I think they’ve done wrong so far was to not speak to and basically ignore Duggans family when they were outside the police station and not coming down hard and quick enough on the looting and rioting.
Personally I think people should be talking more about this poor guy -
Riots: Arrest over death of Richard Bowes - BBC News
And these three -
[quote]trueblue316 wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]trueblue316 wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]rugggby wrote:
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?
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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.
I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).
I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.
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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?
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Its been confirmed he was carrying a converted gun that was loaded. Reason enough for me
Apparently police had intelligence he was on his way to avenge the death of his cousin[/quote]
And where did you hear that report? All I have heard is contradictions and proof of police lies.
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BBC news has reported a converted starter pistol was found at the scene of the incident several times over the last couple of days. Obviously this is not concrete but it will soon be dispelled if not true.
The part about avenging his cousins death is purely what different news outlets have theorised on from “police sources”. Again speculation till the police intelligence is released.
Think we have to remember the police aren’t going to be having you under surveillance and having you followed by armed police for having your wheelie bin too full, if in the coming days its announced the guy WAS found to be in possession of a gun, case closed and he shouldn’t be mourned.
What have the police lied about?? Because certain media outlets have run with a story about a bullet in an officers radio this makes the police liars?
The only concrete thing I think they’ve done wrong so far was to not speak to and basically ignore Duggans family when they were outside the police station and not coming down hard and quick enough on the looting and rioting.
Personally I think people should be talking more about this poor guy -
Riots: Arrest over death of Richard Bowes - BBC News
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The initial story said the police man with the bullet in his radio had been shot at by the deceased, turns out the bullet was police issue, which raises many other questions and casts doubt (in my eyes) on the official police story. Yeah, cops lie, they have done it over and over to protect themselves when they screw up.
Sorry, just the skeptic and cynic in me.
But thanks to the thugs looting, no one cares.
pic added for lulz
Daughter of some executive. Her house has a tennis court and stuff.
This is about children feeling invincible, not poverty. 50% of arrested rioters are minors.
Many parents have failed.
I just wish I was there helping these disgruntled youths rebel. Riots are definitely my cuppa, there’s something 'bout him that gets me chuffed. But yeah, sometimes you wish you wasn’t associated with the get next to you smashing the glass. Also, there’s no denying you get absolutely KNACKERED after a long day of rioting, definitely necessary to get some nice kip in and start the next day fresh like you’z a superstar playing footie.
I should also mention riots are a great place to get with lasses - tash on for a bit and then get straight back to causing mayhem. Does the body wondas.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem. [/quote]
Please, elaborate. I think this should be interesting to read.
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem. [/quote]
Please, elaborate. I think this should be interesting to read.[/quote]
To be honest with you, that thought was at the back of my mind too. I hate to only hear one side of the story, and the news are really bad for this.
To me, what’s happened lately just uncovers what’s been brewing for years; the disgruntlement between the races. The “social status” is just one of the many variables.
Such a shame because most of it likely is caused by simple misunderstanding, amongst cultural differences. And then when the children grow up, they take on the deeply engrained prejudices of their parents and it just gets worse.
I remember when my brother moved to London, he was shocked by the attitude between the races (where we come from, we are pretty sheltered from all that)…all three races held a proper grudge against each other. It was all around (it stunk), it was like going to work with an “atmosphere” x10.
When I was younger I had a GF that lived in Finsbury park. Very intimidating to have all eyes on you as the only white man walking through the street all week.
All I can say on this matter is that britain pushes a “Multi-cultural” society on a population which CHOOSES to divide themselves. You’ll get groups of blacks, groups of asians, and groups of whites. People talk of the black community, the white community, the turkish and the polish community.
Our country accepts everyone because of their “civil rights”. People in different countries have different beliefes. The more people that believe in different things, the less a multi-cultural community can get along IMO.
Call me old fashioned but if you go to a country, you learn their language and you take part in their culture on the understanding that you are a guest on someone elses land. It’s funny that you cant go to Dubai and act how you like, but everyone that comes to England can get benefits more than OAPs pensions, free housing and STILL insist that we’re not doing enough for them and that they want to bring some of their laws into our country because it’s their right to believe in their faith, and we are making impossible for them to live a moral life.
[I dont know where I went with that, it got a bit out of hand!]
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but if you go to a country, you learn their language and you take part in their culture on the understanding that you are a guest on someone elses land. It’s funny that you cant go to Dubai and act how you like, but everyone that comes to England can get benefits more than OAPs pensions, free housing and STILL insist that we’re not doing enough for them and that they want to bring some of their laws into our country because it’s their right to believe in their faith, and we are making impossible for them to live a moral life.
[I dont know where I went with that, it got a bit out of hand!]
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This was discussed recently in the Bastille Day thread. I defended exactly what you think. I live in a foreign country and I try to adapt as much as I can.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem. [/quote]
Please, elaborate. I think this should be interesting to read.[/quote]
To be honest with you, that thought was at the back of my mind too. I hate to only hear one side of the story, and the news are really bad for this.
To me, what’s happened lately just uncovers what’s been brewing for years; the disgruntlement between the races. The “social status” is just one of the many variables.
Such a shame because most of it likely is caused by simple misunderstanding, amongst cultural differences. And then when the children grow up, they take on the deeply engrained prejudices of their parents and it just gets worse.
I remember when my brother moved to London, he was shocked by the attitude between the races (where we come from, we are pretty sheltered from all that)…all three races held a proper grudge against each other. It was all around (it stunk), it was like going to work with an “atmosphere” x10.[/quote]
But say that is the case - did these rioters then just discard their racial ‘opinions’ to then loot and pillage aside one another? I’m not denying that there isn’t racial tension there, of course that’s the case, but these riots don’t seem to be about anything (including Mark D.) other than mob mentality, free goods and the high of chaos without repercussion.
It very quickly became apparent on the streets and in the media that the police couldn’t contain the problem and like a rolling stone gathering moss, even more young people (predominately - some as young as 11 or worse) took to the streets. As pointed out over the media so frequently over the last few days - alot of our youth have an undisciplined upbringing, lack respect for others and generally just do not give a shit about anything other than themselves.
Not all of them mind you - I was a bit touched by the story of the mother who spotted her daughter (an Olympic ambassador no less) on the telly at the front of a riot crowd throwing bricks, and made the tough call to grass her in. Here is possibly the case of a young girl just caught up in the excitement of it all. Who knows?
But I wouldn’t discredit the capacity for Britain’s youth to just run riot, just because they can. Having lived in Possil for 7 years and witnessing kids as young as 7 smoking dope, chasing the dragon or drinking Buckfast - I wouldn’t discredit their capacity to do anything.
Hell, even some of the rioters themselves basically said they did it - because they ‘could’.
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
When I was younger I had a GF that lived in Finsbury park. Very intimidating to have all eyes on you as the only white man walking through the street all week.
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Ah come on, don’t say that… are you sure you were the only white guy in the streets? Or what your eyes chose to see only was the ethnic people?
I usually travel all the way to Finsbury Park (the park has got some awesome hills for sprinthills by the way) and it is unfair for you to say it is only populated by minorities. There’s a good mix of White, Asians and Black in that area. Unless the whites only go there for the Arsenal FC shop. Maybe?
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem. [/quote]
Please, elaborate. I think this should be interesting to read.[/quote]
To be honest with you, that thought was at the back of my mind too. I hate to only hear one side of the story, and the news are really bad for this.
To me, what’s happened lately just uncovers what’s been brewing for years; the disgruntlement between the races. The “social status” is just one of the many variables.
Such a shame because most of it likely is caused by simple misunderstanding, amongst cultural differences. And then when the children grow up, they take on the deeply engrained prejudices of their parents and it just gets worse.
I remember when my brother moved to London, he was shocked by the attitude between the races (where we come from, we are pretty sheltered from all that)…all three races held a proper grudge against each other. It was all around (it stunk), it was like going to work with an “atmosphere” x10.[/quote]
But say that is the case - did these rioters then just discard their racial ‘opinions’ to then loot and pillage aside one another? I’m not denying that there isn’t racial tension there, of course that’s the case, but these riots don’t seem to be about anything (including Mark D.) other than mob mentality, free goods and the high of chaos without repercussion.
It very quickly became apparent on the streets and in the media that the police couldn’t contain the problem and like a rolling stone gathering moss, even more young people (predominately - some as young as 11 or worse) took to the streets. As pointed out over the media so frequently over the last few days - alot of our youth have an undisciplined upbringing, lack respect for others and generally just do not give a shit about anything other than themselves.
Not all of them mind you - I was a bit touched by the story of the mother who spotted her daughter (an Olympic ambassador no less) on the telly at the front of a riot crowd throwing bricks, and made the tough call to grass her in. Here is possibly the case of a young girl just caught up in the excitement of it all. Who knows?
But I wouldn’t discredit the capacity for Britain’s youth to just run riot, just because they can. Having lived in Possil for 7 years and witnessing kids as young as 7 smoking dope, chasing the dragon or drinking Buckfast - I wouldn’t discredit their capacity to do anything.
Hell, even some of the rioters themselves basically said they did it - because they ‘could’.
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I personally think that the media and politicians are trying to deflect attention away from the uncomfortable truth that a lot of these rioters are, on paper, law-abiding citizens.
Notice how the rioters are frequently referred to as gangs in the news. They are trying to tie in rioters to gang culture, or at least suggesting to the viewing public that there is some explanation for why people are behaving like this in a civilized society.
i like the ‘little emperor’ theroy. it sums up alot of people i know that are probably getting involved in this.
its like the time a few guys jumped out on me with knives to my throat etc…turns out they were all unemployed druggies with no hope and a feeling of entitlement (not to mention 2g of coke loaded up in their system lmao).
people like this belive they are the shit and they deserve everything because they are little ‘princes’. the parents dont control them and the drugs are freely available.
Trust me when i say there are guys as young as 10 who are being supplied drugs like speed and coke and weed and alcohol by others in their family (i.e parents and older siblings). doesn’t set u up well in life…
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem. [/quote]
Please, elaborate. I think this should be interesting to read.[/quote]
To be honest with you, that thought was at the back of my mind too. I hate to only hear one side of the story, and the news are really bad for this.
To me, what’s happened lately just uncovers what’s been brewing for years; the disgruntlement between the races. The “social status” is just one of the many variables.
Such a shame because most of it likely is caused by simple misunderstanding, amongst cultural differences. And then when the children grow up, they take on the deeply engrained prejudices of their parents and it just gets worse.
I remember when my brother moved to London, he was shocked by the attitude between the races (where we come from, we are pretty sheltered from all that)…all three races held a proper grudge against each other. It was all around (it stunk), it was like going to work with an “atmosphere” x10.[/quote]
But say that is the case - did these rioters then just discard their racial ‘opinions’ to then loot and pillage aside one another? I’m not denying that there isn’t racial tension there, of course that’s the case, but these riots don’t seem to be about anything (including Mark D.) other than mob mentality, free goods and the high of chaos without repercussion.
It very quickly became apparent on the streets and in the media that the police couldn’t contain the problem and like a rolling stone gathering moss, even more young people (predominately - some as young as 11 or worse) took to the streets. As pointed out over the media so frequently over the last few days - alot of our youth have an undisciplined upbringing, lack respect for others and generally just do not give a shit about anything other than themselves.
Not all of them mind you - I was a bit touched by the story of the mother who spotted her daughter (an Olympic ambassador no less) on the telly at the front of a riot crowd throwing bricks, and made the tough call to grass her in. Here is possibly the case of a young girl just caught up in the excitement of it all. Who knows?
But I wouldn’t discredit the capacity for Britain’s youth to just run riot, just because they can. Having lived in Possil for 7 years and witnessing kids as young as 7 smoking dope, chasing the dragon or drinking Buckfast - I wouldn’t discredit their capacity to do anything.
Hell, even some of the rioters themselves basically said they did it - because they ‘could’.
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IMO, disrespect amongst the youths is all around us (within our own cultures), but riots on that scale don’t happen daily. IF the majority of the rioters parents were hard working shop owners etc, then this would not have happened (at least, not to the extent it did). But because of racial tension, and no respect for the so called “rich” people (different social classes/perspectives), this somehow justifies them helping themselves.
They would not do this to their own mother/brother/sister…because of respect for each other (something that EVERY side says “the other culture lacks towards them”)
Although it has been mentioned that when this happens, even people that have “standards” and deny that they would ever steel anything could get caught up in it all and just go with the adrenaline rush, only to later regret it.
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
When I was younger I had a GF that lived in Finsbury park. Very intimidating to have all eyes on you as the only white man walking through the street all week.
All I can say on this matter is that britain pushes a “Multi-cultural” society on a population which CHOOSES to divide themselves. You’ll get groups of blacks, groups of asians, and groups of whites. People talk of the black community, the white community, the turkish and the polish community.
Our country accepts everyone because of their “civil rights”. People in different countries have different beliefes. The more people that believe in different things, the less a multi-cultural community can get along IMO.
Call me old fashioned but if you go to a country, you learn their language and you take part in their culture on the understanding that you are a guest on someone elses land. It’s funny that you cant go to Dubai and act how you like, but everyone that comes to England can get benefits more than OAPs pensions, free housing and STILL insist that we’re not doing enough for them and that they want to bring some of their laws into our country because it’s their right to believe in their faith, and we are making impossible for them to live a moral life.
[I dont know where I went with that, it got a bit out of hand!]
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Here here.