London Riots

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[quote]rugggby wrote:
I fucking hate blaming all this on ‘the youth’ having no future.

I come from a poor family who worked bloody hard to keep a roof over our heads. I grew up in a rough part of south east london, on a council estate where crime occured daily. I did shit at school, for one reason or another (but thats another story), came out with next to nothing.

Did i blame it on other people? Did i blame it on the government?

No. I got a shit job, which i HATE, and have been saving for years so i can do my personal training course, whilst helping pay for my parents troubles.

There are jobs out there, look down the job centre. its just these cunts think they are better than that and its beneath them. Everyone owes them something. I have no respect for people with excuses.

Bottom line - Just get on with it, noone owes you anything in this world. If youre gonna sit in parks, getting stoned, wasting your life, dont blame it on other people.

Its upto to do something about it. I know I am.[/quote]

I’m in this very same situation. 100% true. If you want the world to value you, give you real money and see you as a success, then ACT in a way of value, worth and success.

Sorry to hear about your area, I hope all the local businesses find out or know who did all this and get away with teaching them a VERY big lesson.

The youth of today in this country need a bigger smashing about than what those kids in Manchester got. I dont think any of them should be arrested, I think they should all be beat and told if they go to a hospital they’ll get arrested and sentanced instead of treated.

Free healthcare, education, all the opportunities you could need… and they say our country gives them nothing? I blame the parents. These kids have so much more than I ever had and they cant even bring themselves to get a job and be a part of a working society.

I work about 40 hours a week in a job nobody wants with a load of people I dislike while I go back to college FULL TIME to gain qualifications and to better myself. I share accomodation with a friend while I learn to drive. I’m making progress in the gym. If I can do ALL of this, why cant a load of 16 year olds go to college 3 days a week?

Because the parents of these children are too soft and failed to bring up their children with a set of morals. They gave everything to them and didn’t teach them a work ethic. They didn’t educate them in what it takes to be a real MAN or a real WOMAN. Too many people blame the government, but the government dont bring up your children. PARENTS bring up children.

But thats just my take.

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The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.

Go to a place like SA, kids get beat if they don’t listen and you’ll see very few who don’t grow up respecting adults and other peoples shit.

I would get a hiding at school for not doing homework, sure - it might have been sore and funny at the same time, but I damn well learned the next time round.

Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.

Go to a place like SA, kids get beat if they don’t listen and you’ll see very few who don’t grow up respecting adults and other peoples shit.

I would get a hiding at school for not doing homework, sure - it might have been sore and funny at the same time, but I damn well learned the next time round.

Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]

I was never “beaten up”, but I got slapped at key moments in my life and those sure helped.
Once I have children, I expect to do the same.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.

Go to a place like SA, kids get beat if they don’t listen and you’ll see very few who don’t grow up respecting adults and other peoples shit.

I would get a hiding at school for not doing homework, sure - it might have been sore and funny at the same time, but I damn well learned the next time round.

Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]

I was never “beaten up”, but I got slapped at key moments in my life and those sure helped.
Once I have children, I expect to do the same. [/quote]

My “beating” = a hiding with a belt. At school, we’d get caned sometimes - but always in front of the class to be made an example of, and, most of the time the whole class would end up lining up for their turn, anyway.

Now, parents get sued by their kids for disciplining them.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:
There is a video going around, with someone that looks like a tourist in a bloody heap on the floor, clearly attacked, with one thug helping him up, whilst others steal from his back pack.[/quote]

Seeing that I am ashamed to be English.

Actually I’m ashamed to be human.

Disgusting behaviour. No amount of poverty justifies this.[/quote]

did you just say POVERTY? Go to Africa where mud is cake and tree bark is fiber.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.

Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]

All true except the first part. Of course they have the power for that.

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The fact of the matter is that people learn by experience and nurture more than anything else (no amount of “telling off” at this point is going to change them until they come to their senses themselves). All that can be done is reformation/help for those who’re wanting to change their situation (gang culture), and damage control/protection for respectable well behaved human beings.

It’s a crap situation (circular), parents - children - parents.

On a certain level you can understand why they act the way they do; give a kid no boundaries (plus not teaching patience/hard work ethic), no structure, no routine, no challenge, no discipline (that is, discipline at the right times and consistently carried out when threatened), no attention…and what do you have? A very unhappy child who rebels without even realising why they are rebelling!

Of course people can change, and there are brave ones out there who plucked up the courage and faith within themselves to break free from their old lifestyle. But, not everyone is wired like that (independent/strong willed). And to get enraged by it may be a bit short-sighted on our part (something I have to convince myself lol).

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What do you guys think about this?

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[quote]rugggby wrote:
HAHA! Hit the nail on the head my friend.

Very reminiscent of David Cameron and his condemning of the looters, what the hell will that do?! Also at the end of his speech when he said, if you excuse me, there is important work to be done…

Like sitting in no. 10 and having a cup of tea. Good cuppa solves everything.[/quote]

David who? :slight_smile:

It seems that people of authority these days don’t have power. Like a policeman said, if they hadn’t been emancipated by the higher powers, they could do their job.

It’s like last year with the really bad weather we had that brought the country to a standstill, it wasn’t the fact of the weather, it’s that no-body was prepared for it or pro-active enough.

Anyway, better stop my ranting otherwise I’ll wet my knickers

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?

Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.

I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).

I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.

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[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?

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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.

I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).

I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.

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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?

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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.

I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).

I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.

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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?
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In this case, yes. Its not like him getting caught and going to prison would have sorted him out. His rep as a ‘gangsta’ would far outweigh anything the police would have thrown at him. He was well known and wouldve carried on being a blight on society.

Thats my take on it but I hate people and only see the worst in them. In my view, people dont change.

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[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
What do you guys think about this?

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Just seemed like a really emotional old man to me.

I have no idea why he’s talking about Mark Duggan’s death, like it was some innocent man. The man was a drug dealer, who had a converted gun in his car when he was shot. One less on the streets, good work on the marksmen who ‘blew his head off’ (shot him once in the chest).

I did LOL when he turned on the presenter for calling him a rioter. What a complete goon she is.

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Small time drug dealing is now deserving of death?
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In this case, yes. Its not like him getting caught and going to prison would have sorted him out. His rep as a ‘gangsta’ would far outweigh anything the police would have thrown at him. He was well known and wouldve carried on being a blight on society.

Thats my take on it but I hate people and only see the worst in them. In my view, people dont change.[/quote]

Interesting.

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Wasn’t the man who got “his head blown off” killed by accident? Which is why the news presenter said that they should wait for the full report?

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That’s Darcus Howe, a known maniac.

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.

Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]

All true except the first part. Of course they have the power for that.

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Isn’t it… against the law?

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Go to a place like SA, kids get beat if they don’t listen and you’ll see very few who don’t grow up respecting adults and other peoples shit.
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Where is SA? South Africa? South America?

Can’t be South Africa surely, they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.

[quote]endofallclarity wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:
There is a video going around, with someone that looks like a tourist in a bloody heap on the floor, clearly attacked, with one thug helping him up, whilst others steal from his back pack.[/quote]

Seeing that I am ashamed to be English.

Actually I’m ashamed to be human.

Disgusting behaviour. No amount of poverty justifies this.[/quote]

did you just say POVERTY? Go to Africa where mud is cake and tree bark is fiber.[/quote]

Poverty is relative to living expenses. Everyone in the Western world is wealthy compared to Africa if you look at it that way.

‘I’ don’t think these people are poor, it was the excuse ‘they’ were using to justify their behaviour. I think if you can afford a mobile phone, sky tv, to get pissed every weekend and be covered in tattoos, you are not poor.

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The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem.

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
The media does everything it can to prevent people from seeing that the problem is about race and not about “youths”, “disadvantaged”, “bored people”, “unemployed people” or whatever. Being bored or too lazy to get a job does not cause one to loot, rob and cause mayhem. [/quote]

So what was the cause?

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The fact is that parents have no power in disciplining their kids… nor do many of them even care. Half of them have kids to get onto benefits in the first place.

Give them everything free and they’ll want everything free.[/quote]

All true except the first part. Of course they have the power for that.

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Isn’t it… against the law?[/quote]

How many laws have you broken in your life up to this point? I dont want to start down the road of “I only follow the laws I believe in” but I draw the line at a nanny state telling me I cant give my child a slap on the ass when they’ve really done wrong. If that is what it takes, I will do it regardless of the law because my biggest concern would be to ensure my child grows up KNOWING and REALISING right and wrong. I want them to believe in something, in themselves, to have a moral compass.