[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
It’s funny that you bring up Bill Wallace’s name. Everyone I’ve mentioned his name to didn’t know who he was. My Dad lost a full contact karate match to him at the 1974 Black Belt Invitational Championship leaving him in 2nd. I have a video of it on a reel (that I don’t own a player for any longer lol)[/quote]
That’s bad-fuckin-ass.
I second that Bad Ass, that explains a lot. Good hands, + good balance showing through on the video.
Squat
135x5
225x2
315x2
405x2
495x2
545x2
435x5
Bench Press
135x5
225x2
275x2
315x2
345x1
365x1
315x5
I didn’t have a very good training session because I had to watch my 2 year old while I was lifting. She would come and stand between my feet in the middle of a set of squats and try to climb on top of me while I was benching.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
I went and looked at my heavy bag video again frame by frame and I saw a lot of problems with it. I have a habit of “chambering” my opposite hand when I punch. I probably learned this from years of karate where they want you to bring your opposite hand to your belt. You can see a good example of it here:
I did this on numerous occasions with a variety of punches. What a horrifically bad way to teach someone how to punch lol. I’ll have to unlearn this tendency if I want to save my face from getting bashed in.
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Honestly, the quickest way to break yourself from this habit is to spar. You’ll get caught with a couple counters, and you’ll be amazed at how fast you unfuck yourself haha.
Karate and their stupid bullshit. So nuts.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
I went and looked at my heavy bag video again frame by frame and I saw a lot of problems with it. I have a habit of “chambering” my opposite hand when I punch. I probably learned this from years of karate where they want you to bring your opposite hand to your belt. You can see a good example of it here:
I did this on numerous occasions with a variety of punches. What a horrifically bad way to teach someone how to punch lol. I’ll have to unlearn this tendency if I want to save my face from getting bashed in.
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Honestly, the quickest way to break yourself from this habit is to spar. You’ll get caught with a couple counters, and you’ll be amazed at how fast you unfuck yourself haha.
Karate and their stupid bullshit. So nuts.[/quote]
Haha, I’d rather fix the problem before I get face fucked. I learned how to protect my groin in karate that way though. Some kid front kicked me straight in the dick and it never happened again!
So, it looks like I’ll probably have to change up my schedule a little bit because of when the classes are scheduled at this studio. The schedule is:
Monday night: 7-8 Judo/Jiu Jitsu
Tuesday night: 7-8:30 Muay Thai 8:30-9:30 Boxing
Wednesday night: 7-8 Wrestling/MMA
Thursday night: 7-8:30 Muay Thai 8:30-9:30 Boxing
Friday night: 7-8 Judo/Jiu Jitsu
Saturday morning: 11-12 No gi Jiu Jitsu 12-3 Open Mat
The other things I have to juggle are Wednesday night we go to church, I would like to lift 2 days a week and I would also like to do some conditioning at least 4 times a week (although I can do some conditioning Monday and Wednesday mornings and a little bit after I lift)
Which classes do y’all think would be most important for me to make it to?
I genuinely think this is a case of finding out which classes have the best teachers and students. With all due respect to MMA gyms, they seem very often to offer everything, but have some quite shitty coaches for some or many things, so it may well be that there is an excellent Muai Thai coach and a shitty boxing coach, and that makes your mind up for you. Hard to know with out trying a few out. Obviously you’d want to get a balance between ground/grappling work, and a more striking focused art.
If you want to compete, I’d guess that missing the wrestling on Wednesday is less-than-ideal, and makes Saturday’s no gi work all the more critical. If you can spare the time, you might also find people on the open mat who are willing to share their expertise in that area. In time, you might be able to do the muai thai followed by the boxing as well, particularly if they are good about it being just a single fee, like a boxing gym often is (usually they are happy for fighters to train through the juniors and seniors). 90 minutes isn’t terribly long, and an hour alone is too short in my opinion, baring in mind these will be class sessions and there will be some interruptions.
I’d try a few out in the beginning, when you’re going to suck at whichever you chose, and feel out which ones chime with you then try to enjoy that one. Some of them will appeal to your character more than others - personally, while I have massive respect for Muai Thai, it would be a horrible fit for my character. Boxing, by contrast, was a natural fit. I don’t think there is a right answer. Find people and coaches you like and respect, and go to work.
Your deadlift advice in Irish’s thread helped me pull my previous 1rm for an easy triple this evening, putting me at a 400lb+ pull for the first time in my life. Thanks for sharing your advice.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
I genuinely think this is a case of finding out which classes have the best teachers and students. With all due respect to MMA gyms, they seem very often to offer everything, but have some quite shitty coaches for some or many things, so it may well be that there is an excellent Muai Thai coach and a shitty boxing coach, and that makes your mind up for you. Hard to know with out trying a few out. Obviously you’d want to get a balance between ground/grappling work, and a more striking focused art.
If you want to compete, I’d guess that missing the wrestling on Wednesday is less-than-ideal, and makes Saturday’s no gi work all the more critical. If you can spare the time, you might also find people on the open mat who are willing to share their expertise in that area. In time, you might be able to do the muai thai followed by the boxing as well, particularly if they are good about it being just a single fee, like a boxing gym often is (usually they are happy for fighters to train through the juniors and seniors). 90 minutes isn’t terribly long, and an hour alone is too short in my opinion, baring in mind these will be class sessions and there will be some interruptions.
I’d try a few out in the beginning, when you’re going to suck at whichever you chose, and feel out which ones chime with you then try to enjoy that one. Some of them will appeal to your character more than others - personally, while I have massive respect for Muai Thai, it would be a horrible fit for my character. Boxing, by contrast, was a natural fit. I don’t think there is a right answer. Find people and coaches you like and respect, and go to work.
Your deadlift advice in Irish’s thread helped me pull my previous 1rm for an easy triple this evening, putting me at a 400lb+ pull for the first time in my life. Thanks for sharing your advice.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice, I’ll check out some of the classes before I put together a schedule.
Glad I could help out with your deadlift 
I did my first jiu jitsu class today. It felt very natural to me and I picked up everything really fast. I just need to work on my flexibility and obviously, on my techniques since I am new. It was a lot of fun and it wasn’t as hard conditioning-wise as I thought it would be.
New split:
Sunday: Squat/OHP/Jump Rope
Monday: AM Sprints/PM Jiu Jitsu
Tuesday: Muay Thai/ Boxing
Wednesday: AM Sprints/PM Push Up, Sit Up, Pull Up
Thursday: Deadlift/Bench Press/Bag Work
Friday: Rows/Jiu Jitsu
Saturday: Jiu Jitsu
I will deload or take a day off here or there as needed.
Overhead Press…ss…Bodyweight Squats
45x5-x10
95x5-x10
135x5-x10
185x5-x10
135x8-x10
135x5-x10
135x5-x10
Steep Incline DB Press
70’sx10
70’sx15
70’sx15
Bilateral DB Rows
70’sx10
70’sx15
70’sx15
Nice and easy tonight. The AM running sessions start tomorrow morning.
AM: Jog to the track (about a mile) sprint the straights and walk the curves for 2 laps (4 sprints of 100+ yards) jog home. Jogging makes my anterior tibialis hurt. Sprinting feels fine though.
PM: Jiu Jitsu
Class went well. We warmed up with 2 laps of shrimping, 2 laps of front rolls and 2 laps of backward rolls (I suck at rolling btw). Shrimping is harder than it looks and I’m slow at it although my form is apparently okay. Then we drilled a move where we were laying on our back and our opponent has the side guard. We then bridge and walk our feet around to spread their arms out, shrimp to the side and slide our knee under their belly, square our shoulders with theirs, shrimp to the side again to make room for our foot to get out from in between their legs and regain the guard. From the guard we would then “hug” one of their arms and shrimp to the side so that we had them in an armbar. Then we’d push their hip back with our foot and squeeze the arm. It didn’t take much pressure to submit someone and it wasn’t as difficult as it sounds; although, my training partner was around 300lbs but he was nothing but fat so his gut was gigantic. This really made things difficult because it was constantly getting in the way. At least I have someone who is roughly my size to train with.
Muay Thai Class: Damn, this class is seriously tough. We started out with basic stuff: leg swings, stretches, jogging, side shuffling, and jumping jacks. Then we did footwork drills: step slide to the front, back and sides, quarter turns both ways and quarter turns evading punches with a partner. Then focus mitt drills. The coach was impressed with my right cross 
Then the torture began. Coach set the ring timer for 3 minuted and we did sit ups, he set it for 3 more minutes and we did push ups, then 3 laps around the studio for bear crawls. I am pretty sure I actually died at some point.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
AM: Jog to the track (about a mile) sprint the straights and walk the curves for 2 laps (4 sprints of 100+ yards) jog home. Jogging makes my anterior tibialis hurt. Sprinting feels fine though.
PM: Jiu Jitsu
Class went well. We warmed up with 2 laps of shrimping, 2 laps of front rolls and 2 laps of backward rolls (I suck at rolling btw). Shrimping is harder than it looks and I’m slow at it although my form is apparently okay. Then we drilled a move where we were laying on our back and our opponent has the side guard. We then bridge and walk our feet around to spread their arms out, shrimp to the side and slide our knee under their belly, square our shoulders with theirs, shrimp to the side again to make room for our foot to get out from in between their legs and regain the guard. From the guard we would then “hug” one of their arms and shrimp to the side so that we had them in an armbar. Then we’d push their hip back with our foot and squeeze the arm. It didn’t take much pressure to submit someone and it wasn’t as difficult as it sounds; although, my training partner was around 300lbs but he was nothing but fat so his gut was gigantic. This really made things difficult because it was constantly getting in the way. At least I have someone who is roughly my size to train with.
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Sounds like an Inside Escape from Bottom Side Control/Mount to a Hugging/Reverse Armbar.
Your observation about the degree of effort it takes to submit someone is accurate, and I’d go so far as to say, the more precise you are with your positioning/mechanics, the less effort it should take. Later, when you get more into grappling you will discover that the better your set-ups, timing and judgement become then easier it will be yet. You being a really big strong guy could probably force a lot of submissions on people, and there is nothing wrong with this as it does work. But the closer someone is to your size and strength, the more things like timing and judgement will play into whether a submission is effective or not.
I believe it’s Saulo Ribiero’s who says (paraphrased), “If you don’t train your techniques correctly/enough you have to think, if you have to think you will be late, when you are late you must use strength to try to force the technique, when you use strength you will eventually tire, when you tire you can be defeated.”
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
AM: Jog to the track (about a mile) sprint the straights and walk the curves for 2 laps (4 sprints of 100+ yards) jog home. Jogging makes my anterior tibialis hurt. Sprinting feels fine though.
PM: Jiu Jitsu
Class went well. We warmed up with 2 laps of shrimping, 2 laps of front rolls and 2 laps of backward rolls (I suck at rolling btw). Shrimping is harder than it looks and I’m slow at it although my form is apparently okay. Then we drilled a move where we were laying on our back and our opponent has the side guard. We then bridge and walk our feet around to spread their arms out, shrimp to the side and slide our knee under their belly, square our shoulders with theirs, shrimp to the side again to make room for our foot to get out from in between their legs and regain the guard. From the guard we would then “hug” one of their arms and shrimp to the side so that we had them in an armbar. Then we’d push their hip back with our foot and squeeze the arm. It didn’t take much pressure to submit someone and it wasn’t as difficult as it sounds; although, my training partner was around 300lbs but he was nothing but fat so his gut was gigantic. This really made things difficult because it was constantly getting in the way. At least I have someone who is roughly my size to train with.
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Sounds like an Inside Escape from Bottom Side Control/Mount to a Hugging/Reverse Armbar.
Your observation about the degree of effort it takes to submit someone is accurate, and I’d go so far as to say, the more precise you are with your positioning/mechanics, the less effort it should take. Later, when you get more into grappling you will discover that the better your set-ups, timing and judgement become then easier it will be yet. You being a really big strong guy could probably force a lot of submissions on people, and there is nothing wrong with this as it does work. But the closer someone is to your size and strength, the more things like timing and judgement will play into whether a submission is effective or not.
I believe it’s Saulo Ribiero’s who says (paraphrased), “If you don’t train your techniques correctly/enough you have to think, if you have to think you will be late, when you are late you must use strength to try to force the technique, when you use strength you will eventually tire, when you tire you can be defeated.”[/quote]
This all makes sense. I am trying to do everything very gently right now so I can learn to perform the techniques as accurately as possible. Down the road if I need to “put some stank on it” I will but for now I’ll go easy.
AM: Walked to the park. Sprinted the straights and walked the curves for 5 sprints and then walked home. I’ll add 1 sprint each AM workout until I get to 15. Then I will deload for a week and increase the distance of the sprints.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
AM: Walked to the park. Sprinted the straights and walked the curves for 5 sprints and then walked home. I’ll add 1 sprint each AM workout until I get to 15. Then I will deload for a week and increase the distance of the sprints.[/quote]
Only advice I’d maybe give is to be sure you’re building up to it slowly enough. I massively increased the amount of roadwork I do recently, and have had to back off as my shins have been protesting. You could increase the sprints by one each week and still make solid progress. Up to you, of course, as I’m sure you’ll be smarter than I was, but it’s been a frustration to me, and I already did a reasonable amount of roadwork.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
AM: Walked to the park. Sprinted the straights and walked the curves for 5 sprints and then walked home. I’ll add 1 sprint each AM workout until I get to 15. Then I will deload for a week and increase the distance of the sprints.[/quote]
Only advice I’d maybe give is to be sure you’re building up to it slowly enough. I massively increased the amount of roadwork I do recently, and have had to back off as my shins have been protesting. You could increase the sprints by one each week and still make solid progress. Up to you, of course, as I’m sure you’ll be smarter than I was, but it’s been a frustration to me, and I already did a reasonable amount of roadwork. [/quote]
Yea, I think you’re probably right about the sprints. I go to the track 2 mornings a week so increasing it by 1 sprint a week will slow my progress to 50%. That would give me 3.5 months to work up to 15 sprints which seems pretty reasonable. I had tossed that idea around in my head earlier but when I got the track, 4 sprints just wasn’t enough. I probably should have started at 6 or 7 sprints but it’s always better to start with not enough than it is to start with too much.
I decided since I can’t go to class on Sundays or Wednesdays that those will be the days that I lift.
Block Pull
315x5
405x5
495x3 (damn I am burnt out. I have done 655x5 on these )
Bench Press
135x5
225x5
275x5
315x5
335x4 (Not bad but not good either, I did that like it was nothing just a month ago)
275x5
225x10
185x15
I was exhausted going into this session and it really showed.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
AM: Walked to the park. Sprinted the straights and walked the curves for 5 sprints and then walked home. I’ll add 1 sprint each AM workout until I get to 15. Then I will deload for a week and increase the distance of the sprints.[/quote]
Only advice I’d maybe give is to be sure you’re building up to it slowly enough. I massively increased the amount of roadwork I do recently, and have had to back off as my shins have been protesting. You could increase the sprints by one each week and still make solid progress. Up to you, of course, as I’m sure you’ll be smarter than I was, but it’s been a frustration to me, and I already did a reasonable amount of roadwork. [/quote]
Yea, I think you’re probably right about the sprints. I go to the track 2 mornings a week so increasing it by 1 sprint a week will slow my progress to 50%. That would give me 3.5 months to work up to 15 sprints which seems pretty reasonable. I had tossed that idea around in my head earlier but when I got the track, 4 sprints just wasn’t enough. I probably should have started at 6 or 7 sprints but it’s always better to start with not enough than it is to start with too much. [/quote]
Definitely. I’m looking at at least 1 - 2 weeks of no running, if not longer, because of my shins. Your conditioning will be getting a good workout from your MMA training, and as you improve at those disciplines, you will learn how to push yourself harder and take more from each session, much like I’m sure you are able to do with the weights. Much better to do it right and avoid minor injuries, in my view.