Lo/Rez Training

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]nkklllll wrote:
The subscap work is always pain. I haven’t met a single person that didn’t hate it.[/quote]

Is that the stuff where you have to place you arm behind your back lying on your stomach and the therapist presses hard under your shoulder blade from the middle out?[/quote]

That might be too, but what I’m talking about is… laying on your back, arm straight out over your head, therapist has her thumb pressed hard into the back side of your armpit (pretty much as hard as possible), while also pulling out on your arm (pulling it away from the joint) and moving it from straight up to down across the body (arm stays straight). Then moving the thumb in the armpit up a bit and repeating, then another thumbs length and repeat.

[quote]Alpha wrote:
Are you considering doing a strongman comp in the future? And it is good to see you are looking into some of Mike’s stuff for pressing. He really started focusing on his overhead right around when he turned pro and made some tremendous jumps. [/quote]

Thanks for stopping in.

It’s not even on my radar at this point. It may be in a year or two, but not at all right now.

I’ve always been more interested in overhead strength. I’ve also almost always had shoulder and elbow pain that’s limited benching, so I’m mostly just exploring some options at this point.

What’s the deal with Savickas presses? Do you just sit on the ground w/ legs extended as opposed to a bench or standing? I figure you’ve done the research so you’ll know!

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What’s the deal with Savickas presses? Do you just sit on the ground w/ legs extended as opposed to a bench or standing? I figure you’ve done the research so you’ll know![/quote]

Basically yeah. Sit on the ground, legs in front of you, press the bar. You can also use a bench with no back support as long as you’re not using your legs for support. I have pins set around chin level, but that’s kind of a minor point.

It’s a really good lesson in making sure your press form is spot on, since if you have the bar too far forward or too far back, you’ll lose your balance and fall over. My “research” says it’s also great for core strengthening, since everything is supported and stabilized by your core and not by your hips or legs.

CT’s comment the other day was that it also works great to isolate the delts.

In my case, I’ve been having trouble keeping a flat lower back while pressing; it really wants to arch forward. Ab rollouts and those mat pulls have helped quite a bit, but I lose stability there when I get fatigued.

So that’s probably the main thing I’m trying to get out of it. Secondly, obviously, increase pressing strength. Since it sort of isolates the upper body, it may/may-not be more beneficial than doing them standing. However, also from my research, it seems to be a staple of a lot of really strong overhead pressers, and one of the oft recommended lifts if someone’s complaining about being weak overhead. FWIW, push presses are also often recommended.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What’s the deal with Savickas presses? Do you just sit on the ground w/ legs extended as opposed to a bench or standing? I figure you’ve done the research so you’ll know![/quote]

Basically yeah. Sit on the ground, legs in front of you, press the bar. You can also use a bench with no back support as long as you’re not using your legs for support. I have pins set around chin level, but that’s kind of a minor point.

It’s a really good lesson in making sure your press form is spot on, since if you have the bar too far forward or too far back, you’ll lose your balance and fall over. My “research” says it’s also great for core strengthening, since everything is supported and stabilized by your core and not by your hips or legs.

CT’s comment the other day was that it also works great to isolate the delts.

In my case, I’ve been having trouble keeping a flat lower back while pressing; it really wants to arch forward. Ab rollouts and those mat pulls have helped quite a bit, but I lose stability there when I get fatigued.

So that’s probably the main thing I’m trying to get out of it. Secondly, obviously, increase pressing strength. Since it sort of isolates the upper body, it may/may-not be more beneficial than doing them standing. However, also from my research, it seems to be a staple of a lot of really strong overhead pressers, and one of the oft recommended lifts if someone’s complaining about being weak overhead. FWIW, push presses are also often recommended.[/quote]

Interesting, thanks.

Stupid diet update. Stupid because it’s questionable I’m doing this in the first place.

I’m down 4.1 pounds from the beginning of the month as of this morning. I still have a few pounds to go if I actually want that “chiseled abs” look of a physique competitor or model. That’s kind of surprised me (I mentioned this the other day). I didn’t realize I had that much subcutaneous fat on me.

My calculated net maintenance calories, via two different methods, is sitting right around 2300-2400 a day. This is a pretty useful thing to know for the future if I want to “lean bulk”.

I’m probably going to bump things up a notch for the last week, just to see how close I can really get in that time frame. In other words, just more cardio, and thermogenic 2x daily instead of just in the morning. Also shift carbs more to workouts and replace with fats throughout the day. My [pure] water intake is at least half a gallon daily, and then a fair amount of other drinks on top of that.

Strength has actually gone up, energy is better (since I’m sleeping better), and mood has been pretty stable. Some of the massage stuff and the related bruising has had me a bit irritated at times though. Psychologically I actually like being leaner, since it feels like a more true reflection of how much/little muscle I have and how it’s distributed. In clothes though, I AM smaller. But it’s more inspiration to maintain leanness and put on the size.

Food-wise, I’ve eaten a lot of salmon recently. The grocery store was selling some wild-caught Alaskan Sockeye for 60% of its original price (normally $16.99/lb) so I picked up all of that. I also grabbed some swordfish on sale too. Something like .8lbs of that salmon is equivalent to 30 of my fish oil pills in Omega 3 content. Not necessarily cheaper, but definitely tastier. Salmon with an herb, wine, butter reduction sauce was really really good.

Basic salmon recipe: take a chunk of salmon with skin still on (my pieces were .4 to .5 lbs apiece). Rinse and dry. Generously salt and pepper the fleshy side. Preheat oven to 400. Heat olive oil in a cast iron pan until hot and just starting to smoke (this is just under medium on my stove, but ymmv). Place salmon flesh side down for 3 minutes. Flip and put in oven for 3 minutes. Remove and let it rest for 5 minutes (you can cover with foil if you want). Then eat.

You can cook swordfish pretty much the same way, just use some lemon juice and rosemary too.

Bullet proof coffee… I’m having some right now with some Kerrygold instead of LoL butter, and it is a smoother flavor. I’ve actually made homemade butter on a few occasions too, just never used it for the coffee. (Actually, I last used homemade butter when I made homemade puff pastry. That was pretty involved.)

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Stupid diet update. Stupid because it’s questionable I’m doing this in the first place.

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Oh God no, please cook your meat!

:slight_smile:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Stupid diet update. Stupid because it’s questionable I’m doing this in the first place.

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Oh God no, please cook your meat!

:)[/quote]

Haha, that was good.

So, I was wondering if there were any overhead press and deadlift only competitions out there.

Ran across this video. “How to combine an overhead press and a deadlift”

When I saw what he actually meant, I laughed pretty hard:

(not so stupid) Training Update

BTN Press
115 x 5, 5, 12

These felt heavy. I’m only taking them to the top of my head, not even to my ears these days. They probably felt heavy because of all the other overhead work I’ve done through the week.

OR, because I’m working out on fats with no carbs.

But they’re progressing. Added 2.5 lbs and still kept the 12 reps on the 5+ set. My low back felt a lot more stable on these than it normally does. Chiro + massage + z presses + rack pulls + squats seem to be helping that.

I got the Axle cut down to 7’ last night. Just took it back to Home Depot and they cut off the threads and cut it down for free. Did some squats with it to test it out last night and squatting with it feels amazing too… to the point where I wonder why I ever squatted without one. Deadlifting and rack pulls are awful though, lol.

For when I stall on my current rack pull 5+ with 5lb/wk progression. Or whenever. Just for future reference.

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Not strictly a powerlifting routine, but WSM Competitor Travis Ortmayer’s deadlift training:

[quote]I use the (Benni) Magnusson/Ortmayer routine.

70% of projected max for 4 sets of 4 reps
80-90% for 2 sets of 2
70% for 8+ reps
if you get 8 or more move up 10 lbs next week.
On week 1 and 2 I then pull that same 70% off a 4" block trying to get 8 reps.

I do this for 3 weeks then take a week off from deadlifting.

Week 1: I do 80% for the 2 sets of 2
Week 2: I do 1 set at 80% then 1 set at 90%
Week 3: I do this again but hopefully with more weight.
I always do the 4x4 at 70% to start the workout.
If you miss a lift anywhere in the workout then DON’T move up the next week.[/quote][/quote]

I’m thinking about compiling a list of stuff on the overhead press all in one place, much like trivium’s “great powerlifter routines” thread.

4 weeks. In black and white because with my tanning the color is now all off.

Not exactly consistent posing, but eh.

One week left.

Definitely a visible difference in a short amount of time. It’s always a bit humbling realizing how you aren’t usually as lean as you thought once you actually start cutting (we’ve all been there), but you definitely look a lot better when looking at ab, triceps, and delt definition. Last little bit of this week should definitely put you in ‘ho ready’ condition.

You’re not as big as what you think you are and you’re fatter than what you think you are
You’re= everyone of us

Lol, but I’d hardly call my before picture “fat”. Nor, by any stretch of the imagination, “big”.

Girlfriend’s pretty happy with the photos she’s seen too… even though she’s laughed at me for acting like a girl with my dieting, tanning, and “diet pills”. The ends justify the means, right?

7 Mat Pulls w/Chains
135 x several
185 x 5
225 x 3
275 x 3
315 x 1
330 x 6

Weighted Chins
BW + 12.5 x 7
BW + 12.5 x 7

I changed my notation so now it looks like I actually did some work. :wink:

I’d switched to the more compact notation when I was doing layer system stuff. I was doing something like 30+ sets every day… so I needed something a little more compact.

330 was a bit intimidating today for some reason. After the first rep, the other 5 went smoothly. All were TnG w/straps. I’ll be nice and sore for the next couple days. Getting stronger in a deficit is pretty nice.

So, Alpha put the seed of an idea in my head regarding strongman. And then he mentioned the seminar with Rob Orlando today… meanwhile, earlier today, I was looking at the NAS records in the various lifts they keep records for, and came across Rob’s records.

I’m not going to completely change directions and start training for strongman or anything, but there’s a few records I’d like to chase after down the road. Mostly the overhead pressing stuff.

I also didn’t realize exactly how strong Mike Jenkins was in his pressing. Savickas is pretty much #1, and Mike was pretty much #2 in recent times. And both of them are probably in the top 5 in terms of all the overhead pressers throughout recorded lifting history. Serge Reding and Alexeev obviously up there too.

A couple vids. A strongman competition Rob Orlando won:

Axle Clean and Press 230 x 8
18" Axle Deadlift w/Straps 540 x 10
and some other stuff.

But those are the two I kinda care about, and they both seem pretty achievable in the next 2-3 years if I trained for them. 18" is pretty high off the ground… and straps negate the fact that it’s an axle.

Frame hold for time? Yoke? Farmers walks? Atlas Stones? Not really things I care about right now.

And Mike:

That’s… wow. No leg drive at all. Pretty much speechless.

yea man, he was an ox!

For the past few weeks, I’ve been trying to justify spending $300 or so on a swiss bar… but then I talked to my girlfriend last night, and she told me she just bought another 10 weeks with her trainer for $1500 or so (she was rounding a bit, but it was at least $1200).

I was shocked.

After a little digging, not including her [not cheap] gym membership, that means she’s spent over $4000 on training since she moved there. And she hasn’t seen the results she’s wanted.

I was shocked. (Repeating for emphasis.)

She said she asked at least one other person, and that’s about the same rate they paid for training too. Granted, she asked one of her doctor friends, but wow.

After basically telling her she’s getting ripped off, I told her that she could get coaching from some of the top people in the industry for less than that. She said if I can find her someone to work with that she’d be ok with that. It’s a one-on-one session 2x a week right now, but she’s on her own the rest of the week. Her gym is decently equipped with several serious lifters (more fitness/physique/bb oriented), and she’s comfortable in the actual weight room with actual weights, so there’s that going for her too.

I won’t be out there for another two months… but I think I can find her someone in the meanwhile.

(I also don’t feel at all guilty about splurging on a swiss bar now.)

[quote]LoRez wrote:
So, I was wondering if there were any overhead press and deadlift only competitions out there.

Ran across this video. “How to combine an overhead press and a deadlift”

When I saw what he actually meant, I laughed pretty hard:
How to Do an Overhead Press & Deadlift Together : LIVESTRONG - Exercising with Jeremy Shore - YouTube [/quote]

Careful, might strain yourself with these bad boys!