Hi All,
I’ll be around for discussion for a couple of hours tonight, as of now.
Before we get going too fast, I’d like to suggest that this Thursday we tackle a tough topic…
What are your experiences AFTER dieting?
Metabolically there’s aplenty going on in the post-diet phase, and I’m curious to get your input on practical expereinces.
But on to tonight’s thread…
First,
Last Thursday and Friday I got hit HARD by what I believe was food poisoning from a Tyrosine-containing supplement powder; it was left on the counter WAY too long.
I should know better but hey, despite being certified in foodservice sanitation (believe it or not!) I’m human too.
I can’t be sure this was the cause of my problems but I suggest that if you’ve got supplements, particularly protein or amino acid-containing ones, CHECK THEIR EXPIRY DATE. Stretching your supplement dollar with chancy expired stuff may eventually come back to bite you in the butt!
How much Vitamin C is too much?
I’ve read articles suggesting 6000 mg daily because it’s great antioxidant.
What do you think?
Hey Lonnie,
It seems that cheat meals have been a constant diet topic, and obviously the opinions as to their effectiveness in fat-burning (or lack thereof) vary greatly. I wonder how you feel about them?
Lonnie - I know this has been discussed before somewhere… but I usually wake up at 5:15am to hit the gym by 6am before work. What would you consider to be an optimal nutritional strategy, including some good ideas “waking up” my brain and prepping me for heavy training?
Hey Atreides.
Well, you’re going to get very different schools of thought, from supplement abstinence (trained athletes upregulate natural anti-ox defenses) to mega-dose Linus Pauling stuff in the muti-gram range.
The tolerable upper level of 2000mg is the “official” reasonable limit for a person, including hard-training athletes.
I’m more conservative considering the risk of pro-oxidant effects (wrote about these in a book chapter with John B a while back) and think that a 250mg dose is sufficient, when adding C-rich foods in abundance.
They can help keep one sane.
The risk is that one might be consuming tons of kcal while in “starvation mode” and hence store an undue amount of fat… even if energetically, I can’t see undoing a week’s worth of work with a single meal.
I’m also not convinced that a single meal or even day of slightly stricter refeeding helps significantly from a metabolic point of view. My approach has long been to eat more in general for say, 5 days, without “junking out” after several weeks of kcal restriction.
This makes more sense biologically and is more refreshing psychologically for many folks.
[quote]vtkess02 wrote:
Hey Lonnie,
It seems that cheat meals have been a constant diet topic, and obviously the opinions as to their effectiveness in fat-burning (or lack thereof) vary greatly. I wonder how you feel about them? [/quote]
Camaro Hair,
Actually, I struggle with this a bit myself, but not every weekday.
I think the pre-workout ritual - you know, the same rampimg-up behaviors each time like music, a protein shake, some java (if not overdone), etc. really help. A shower or 5-10 minute walk around the block or on a treadmill can be done, even while darn-near asleep when beginning. Some guys just aren’t AM people and do well with rising an extra half-hour earlier than usual when having a rough time of it. This would require an earlier bedtime. That means no TV, and possibly meditating or reading someting relaxing at a given time, say 9:30 PM.
Nutritionally, I personally avoid carbs like cereal while still in bed because this knocks me out and I risk missing a session by sleeping in in a “carb coma”!
[quote]Lonnie Lowery wrote:
Hey Atreides.
Well, you’re going to get very different schools of thought, from supplement abstinence (trained athletes upregulate natural anti-ox defenses) to mega-dose Linus Pauling stuff in the muti-gram range.
The tolerable upper level of 2000mg is the “official” reasonable limit for a person, including hard-training athletes.
I’m more conservative considering the risk of pro-oxidant effects (wrote about these in a book chapter with John B a while back) and think that a 250mg dose is sufficient, when adding C-rich foods in abundance.[/quote]
I’ve been reading about intravenous Vit C therapy lately and I’ve been wondering are the pro-oxidative effects more likely to be observered with oral vs intravenous?
LL,
Can you suggest any tips on getting rid of Gyno? Diet/Supplements
A client of mine, who is a FFB has had the problem since his early teens and now that he has lost about 25kg over the past 3-4yrs he is kind of embaressed about it even though his body fat is around 12-14%.
Any ideas would be great.
D
Lonnie,
I was wondering about the limits of protein synthesis and amino acid spikes post-workout.
Here’s my current practice:
1st shake (30 P, 60 Carbs [50/50 malto/dextro]) 15 mins pre-workout
2nd shake (same as above) immediately after my workout
3rd shake (same as above) 1 hour after shake #2.
Eat 1- 1.5 hours after 3rd shake.
Specifically, I’m curious if taking the third shake PWO would be pointless, since my amino acid levels are already high, and the body will simply excrete the excess aminos?
Should I just eat food about an hour after shake #2, or should I continue with my current method?
(My goals are to gain as much size as possible).
Thanks
Hello:
How much piracetam should one be taking before workout and is it soemthing you would recommend every day. I mix it in with Power Drive and I am having great results. Thanks
deadly69,
Sometimes breast tissue that is perceived as “gyno” is stromal (supportive soft tissues) or adipose tissue rather than glandular. Although some guys use flax to combat estrogen, the fat in the area may just not come off like other body fat does. A (natural) powerlifter friend of mine, Fortress, eventually had some minor surgery done to fix this lingering problem.
Your current practice looks reasonable for many guys looking to gain size. I think that when you view overall daily needs (kcal, P, C) those extra macronutrients do some good, regardless of amino acid pulsatility issues.
[quote]chunkylover56 wrote:
Lonnie,
I was wondering about the limits of protein synthesis and amino acid spikes post-workout.
Here’s my current practice:
1st shake (30 P, 60 Carbs [50/50 malto/dextro]) 15 mins pre-workout
2nd shake (same as above) immediately after my workout
3rd shake (same as above) 1 hour after shake #2.
Eat 1- 1.5 hours after 3rd shake.
Specifically, I’m curious if taking the third shake PWO would be pointless, since my amino acid levels are already high, and the body will simply excrete the excess aminos?
Should I just eat food about an hour after shake #2, or should I continue with my current method?
(My goals are to gain as much size as possible).
Thanks [/quote]
deshawn,
I know this sounds like a copout but I can’t responsibly recommend any intake of drug, nootropic or otherwise. And admittedly, it’s been 10 years since nootropics beyond a few nutritional compounds held my attention (pun not intended!).
Here, however, is a list of nootropics for readers to learn about on Medline or otherwise: piracetam, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), selegiline, Ginkgo biloba, pentoxifylline, cerebrolysin, solcoseryl, ergoloid, vinpocetin, sertraline…
Okay everyone, I’m logging off for tonight. Thanks for your input!
LL
LL,
Assuming you’re familiar with it, what are your thoughts on the Velocity Diet? I’m finishing it up next week and I’ll be down about 15 lbs in 28 days. It has recently crossed my mind that I might be in trouble when I gradually return to normal eating as far as my metabilism goes. Any suggestions to transition? I can post more specifics (cals, height, weight, etc) if necessary. Thanks.