Limited Contraceptives=Abortion?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]
What is your interpretation of “accepting philosophy”? Are you applying this term to discussion of sex with your children or acceptance of all birth control methods, including abortion. I’m using the term here to refer to the acceptance on the part of the parent that their kids will have sex as a teen and that it’s okay. I’m pretty sure neither you nor Push disagree with that. [/quote]

Maybe you should stop making assumptions about what I (or Push) think.

“the acceptance on the part of the parent that their kids will have sex as a teen and that it’s okay” is purposefully vague. I can neither agree nor disagree with that.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

So?

It seems to me that the relative absence of abstinence nutjobs correlates quite strongly with lower abortion rates if I use the sample you have brought up. [/quote]

How can it when the very example YOU brought up, Sweden, smacks you right in the face like Moe whippin’ on Curly?[/quote]

Because its one example that bucks the trend and it stands out so much because the general trend is very clearly not as you have insinuated. [/quote]

There is no trend, per se, to be bucked.[/quote]

Eh !?!

All of those liberal nut jobs running wild, no abstinence advocates to be seen (maybe Poland, who knows) and consistently lower abortion rates than the US?

[/quote]

They be no more liberal nutjobbish with no greater lack of abstinence advocates than in Sweden and yet…

Perhaps your “open sexuality prevents abortions and abstinence programs increases them” hypothesis is flawed?

Have you examined other countries where abstinence promotion may be relatively high (just conjecturing South America for instance) and correlated that info? I haven’t but since you and the biology major seem to think this deal is ironclad I suggest you do.[/quote]

Meh, I seem to remember it was Europe and Asia.

Also, I would like to use statistics that are at least semi trustworthy.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

So?

It seems to me that the relative absence of abstinence nutjobs correlates quite strongly with lower abortion rates if I use the sample you have brought up. [/quote]

How can it when the very example YOU brought up, Sweden, smacks you right in the face like Moe whippin’ on Curly?[/quote]

Because its one example that bucks the trend and it stands out so much because the general trend is very clearly not as you have insinuated. [/quote]

There is no trend, per se, to be bucked.[/quote]

So what is your explanation for the significantly reduced abortion rates in the Netherlands (.20%) and Germany (.23%).

BTW, I’m not sure where the argument that Sweden has a ridiculously high abortion rate is coming from. Their abortion rate is actually lower than the US:

In 1996 they were at .56%
the US was at .69%
Switzerland was at .25%

In fact, it appears that legalizing abortion has far less to do with it’s prevalence of society than the economic level of that society.

For instance, in Eastern Europe accounts for 81% of the abortions in Europe. Also, the entirety of Africa in the survey had 5 million abortions (all illegal), whereas Northern, Southern, and Eastern Europe combined 1.5 million abortions, only .1 million illegal.

Worrying about legalization of abortion is clearly focusing on the wrong thing, as there’s clear evidence that in the majority of developed countries with legalized abortion, there are lower incidences of it than in an undeveloped country where abortion is illegal. Instead of worrying whether or not I’m right, try coming up with some explanations of your own. Since this data indicates that legalizing abortion isn’t the main contributor to its prevalence, what do YOU think is?

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[quote]kamui wrote:

I have no idea what you’re even trying to disagree with what’s written in this thread.

My statement was perfectly clear. You’re either okay with the idea that your teen is going to have sex or you aren’t. Also, with the background of the previously posted article, there should be very little question as to what my statement meant.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
FTR, I think sex between unmarried teens is a stupid idea, generally speaking, and to be discouraged.

There are a lot of things in this world that ARE appropriate for adults that are NOT appropriate for children. Do I have to cite examples or are you bright enough to figure this one out for yourself, IC?[/quote]

I’m disappointed to hear your feel this way.

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your links show that :
-developped and developping countries have nearly equal rates of abortions.
-countries where abortion is still illegal have the lowest ratio of abortions.

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sigh.
Yes, i’m “openly sexual” (or sexually open) therefore i SHOULD be perfectly okay with the idea that my teen is going to have sex with my neighbor’s dog.

Again, “teen” and “have sex” are purposefully vague terms.

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I’m pretty sure she is against “military enlistement” and “signing contracts”.
Both are evil things you know.

See, i can make assumptions too.
But chances are mine are true.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

your links show that :
-developped and developping countries have nearly equal rates of abortions.
-countries where abortion is still illegal have the lowest ratio of abortions.
[/quote]

No, it doesn’t. Pull out the numbers yourself.

of abortions in millions

Developed regions: 10.0 If you take Easter Europe out of this count: 3.8!

Developing regions: 35.5 if you take China out of this count:24.9

Northern Europe: 0.4

Southern Europe: 0.8

Western Europe: 0.4

Including China in the discussion is probably a bad idea (although you can see that I did take them into account), because China has other family size policies that affect their abortion rates in a way not seen anywhere else.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

sigh.
Yes, i’m “openly sexual” (or sexually open) therefore i SHOULD be perfectly okay with the idea that my teen is going to have sex with my neighbor’s dog.

Again, “teen” and “have sex” are purposefully vague terms.

[/quote]

lol. No, it appears that you’re being purposely vague in your interpretation, especially given the context of the discussion. What teen having sex with their dog has ever led to pregnancy?

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Ok.
Developped regions’s rate : 39
Developping regions’s rate : 34

Chile has the highest ratio of abortion amongst the countries where abortion is illegal : 35
Belas has the Highest ratio of abortions amongst the countries where abortion is legal : 61

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
FTR, I think sex between unmarried teens is a stupid idea, generally speaking, and to be discouraged.

There are a lot of things in this world that ARE appropriate for adults that are NOT appropriate for children. Do I have to cite examples or are you bright enough to figure this one out for yourself, IC?[/quote]

I’m disappointed to hear your feel this way. [/quote]

Your disappointment illustrates the shallow depth that your intellect must operate in on this subject.

Surely then you are “for” the following from a 16 year old?

Alcohol and recreational drug consumption

Military enlistment

Driving privileges that are comparable with adults

Uninhibited entry to bars, strip clubs and nightclubs

Signing contracts

Etc.

Etc.

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lol. This is a perfect example of the crisis thinking that the article on Dutch parents pointed out Americans develop toward teen sex.

"“In the Netherlands, thereâ??s the belief that young people are capable of recognizing when theyâ??re ready and self-regulating as opposed to the notion that they have raging hormones that are out of control. Thereâ??s the belief that young people can fall in love and that their sexuality is anchored in relationships so it becomes easier to accept and normalize relationships from about 16 to 17 onwards.”

“The religious right organized, and sexuality, especially teen sexuality, became a political issue.” Our country has NO faith in self-regulation when it comes to so many things, hence stupid fears, laws, etc.

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that’s precisely why it should be encouraged.
Beastiality is THE perfect birth control.
Cheap. No hormonal side effect. No failure. And it’s more fun (and as such more reliable) than abstinence.