Limited Contraceptives=Abortion?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]joebassin wrote:
Look at this human embryo. What is he thinking right now? Wait, he can’t think, he doesn’t have a brain. [/quote]

What did the joebassin embryo have in common with the joebassin today? The same individual human life. YOU are not a different life. You ARE that life. Your life started as that embryo, sorry. Your brain–that precious, beautiful, brain we’ve been graced with here–developed because that life, the one you’re still living today, was not murdered. End of story, Joe. There was no switcheroo in the womb between some placeholder organism and the you-organism, at some special time.

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I’ll have to credit Groo with staring the thing in the face, at least.

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How do you know joe? I know you didn’t run the tests to determine this.

How do the cells, in an embryo, know where to go, when to go to the destination in the embryo and when to divide? Science finds new ways to test for the different stages of life. So please tell me, should and can we kill a newborn because they are not self aware until around six months of age? When and why should we stop killing newborns?

[quote]joebassin wrote:
Look at this human embryo. What is he thinking right now? Wait, he can’t think, he doesn’t have a brain. [/quote]

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Abortion is the direct, deliberate, killing of an innocent human life.
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False. Abortion is the removal of a fetus from a woman.

Want to solve the problem? Invent a way to remove the fetus without it dying.

BAM. Problem solved. Why aren’t you funding this??

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I have to watch Capped claim a right to life, apparently oblivious to the fact that his life began in the womb (fact, same individual organism). [/quote]

My rights end where another persons rights begin. My mother had the right to choose to use her body to incubate and support me - I never had the right to force her to do that, did I?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Abortion is the direct, deliberate, killing of an innocent human life.

CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
False. Abortion is the removal of a fetus from a woman.

Want to solve the problem? Invent a way to remove the fetus without it dying.[/quote]

How you put those statements together, without realizing you’d just falsified your first sentence, I’ll never know. I’m literally stunned. It just speaks for itself.

Never realized you were an economic libertarian.

I’m sorry your mother viewed her pregnancy in such a shallow manner, but it doesn’t convince me to approve of the DELIBERATE KILLING OF INNOCENT INDIVIDUAL HUMAN LIVES. Not sure why you thought it would. Well, perhaps she didn’t see the human value of the human life in her womb, only seeing it as a consumer choice. However, I’m glad she made the right decision, for your sake.

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I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin.

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I will help Sloth because he has finals. Cap, define the unborn for me. Where else should the baby go? Nature intended the fetus right where it is, in the uterus of the mother.

I know I could never support another life simply because of my pulsatile hormonal profile [many reasons, in reality].

Please enlighten me as to what the embryo is, if not alive.

When does another persons rights start?

Actually she chose to create you with your father. A moment later or earlier and you would be a different person, if in existence at all.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
False. Abortion is the removal of a fetus from a woman.

Want to solve the problem? Invent a way to remove the fetus without it dying.

BAM. Problem solved. Why aren’t you funding this??

My rights end where another persons rights begin. My mother had the right to choose to use her body to incubate and support me - I never had the right to force her to do that, did I?[/quote]

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I will help Sloth because he has finals. Cap, define the unborn for me. Where else should the baby go? Nature intended the fetus right where it is, in the uterus of the mother.

I know I could never support another life simply because of my pulsatile hormonal profile [many reasons, in reality].

Please enlighten me as to what the embryo is, if not alive.

When does another persons rights start?

Actually she chose to create you with your father. A moment later or earlier and you would be a different person, if in existence at all.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
False. Abortion is the removal of a fetus from a woman.

Want to solve the problem? Invent a way to remove the fetus without it dying.

BAM. Problem solved. Why aren’t you funding this??

My rights end where another persons rights begin. My mother had the right to choose to use her body to incubate and support me - I never had the right to force her to do that, did I?[/quote]
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I’m sorry, I keep looking at the bottom of your post and I dont see anything. Weird.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.[/quote]

“I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.”

Knock it off.

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Sloth, you keep using the logic that “Abortion results in the death of a person, so abortion is murder.”

By that logic, anything else that directly results in the death of even one person is murder.

War? Murder.

Pulling the plug? Murder.

A hospital refusing to treat a sick person? Murder.

An economic system which leads to starvation in parts of the world? Murder.

Doctor assisted suicide? Murder.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.[/quote]

“I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.”

Knock it off.[/quote]

Unless you can say that the right to collect blood for a collection is somehow like a womans right to govern her own body, then, nope, that fails, again.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.[/quote]

“I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.”

Knock it off.[/quote]

Unless you can say that the right to collect blood for a collection is somehow like a womans right to govern her own body, then, nope, that fails, again.
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Fine, charge him with theft. Murder though? Nah, we should’ve invented bloodless human beings. Sorry Capped, that was the dumbest bit of reasoning I’ve ever seen.

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Oh, and didn’t realize you were anti-welfare state, Capped. Since you folks brought it up.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.[/quote]

“I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.”

Knock it off.[/quote]

Unless you can say that the right to collect blood for a collection is somehow like a womans right to govern her own body, then, nope, that fails, again.
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Fine, charge him with theft. Murder though? Nah, we should’ve invented bloodless human beings. Sorry Capped, that was the dumbest bit of reasoning I’ve ever seen.[/quote]

So…wait.

You’re saying the idea of finding a way to extract a fetus from a woman without it dying, and keep it alive…

is as absurd as a person living with no blood in their body?

Wait… no, you’re…

You’re not serious, you must be…

Ok, really. Not sure if serious.

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“Like yeah, I shot him in the head, but it’s not my fault people die when shot in the head. Should’ve invented anti-head shot death people!”

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.[/quote]

“I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.”

Knock it off.[/quote]

Unless you can say that the right to collect blood for a collection is somehow like a womans right to govern her own body, then, nope, that fails, again.
[/quote]

Fine, charge him with theft. Murder though? Nah, we should’ve invented bloodless human beings. Sorry Capped, that was the dumbest bit of reasoning I’ve ever seen.[/quote]

So…wait.

You’re saying the idea of finding a way to extract a fetus from a woman without it dying, and keep it alive…

is as absurd as a person living with no blood in their body?

Wait… no, you’re…

You’re not serious, you must be…

Ok, really. Not sure if serious.[/quote]

I have to admit. at first I thought you were playing at it, to avoid saying aloud the uncomfortable truth of what you support. Even if you had to come up with the most absurd thing possible, I didn’t actually think you believed it, really, yourself. Capped, take of yourself.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m usually not vulgar, but I’m going to be here. Grow some balls. Own it for what it factually is. Capped, that was one of the most pathetic cases of doublespeak I’ve ever seen here. “I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.” And yeah, it pissed me off to watch you play games with the deaths of millions of human lives. Own it for what it is, and argue it for what it is. You’re not stupid, so don’t pretend to be with me, just to avoid what we ALL know. You should be embarrassed trying to float something that clumsy and thin. [/quote]

Abortion is removing a fetus from a woman. As it stands, removing a fetus from a woman results in the death of that fetus.

Now, if a woman could remove the fetus without it dying, and chose to kill it, then, yes, your argument would have some merit. But it doesn’t.

As it stands, you have the right of life vs the right to govern ones own body. As such, I side with the right of a woman to govern her body over the right a fetus has to life.[/quote]

“I didn’t mean to kill that woman, I merely wanted to remove her blood for a collection I keep in my basement. Invent people that don’t need blood, problem solved.”

Knock it off.[/quote]

Unless you can say that the right to collect blood for a collection is somehow like a womans right to govern her own body, then, nope, that fails, again.
[/quote]

Fine, charge him with theft. Murder though? Nah, we should’ve invented bloodless human beings. Sorry Capped, that was the dumbest bit of reasoning I’ve ever seen.[/quote]

So…wait.

You’re saying the idea of finding a way to extract a fetus from a woman without it dying, and keep it alive…

is as absurd as a person living with no blood in their body?

Wait… no, you’re…

You’re not serious, you must be…

Ok, really. Not sure if serious.[/quote]

I have to admit. at first I thought you were playing at it, to avoid saying aloud the uncomfortable truth of what you support. Even if you had to come up with the most absurd thing possible, I didn’t actually think you believed it, really, yourself. Capped, take of yourself.
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Oh. You were serious. Thats… sad.

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So, lets reiterate: the right a fetus has to live supercedes the right a grown woman has to govern her own body.

Ensuring that a child is born is our collective responsibility, ensuring that that child is fed and otherwise cared for is not.

No medical procedure could ever remove a fetus from a woman without killing it.

Anything that results in the death of a human being is murder, except for things conservatives say isn’t murder.

Am I wisening up yet, Sloth? You wanna chime in, Push?