Limited Contraceptives=Abortion?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]Is making it legal to abort your child the same thing as forcing someone to abort their child?
Are you actually making any decision for that person? No. They are free to do as they choose.[/quote]

That’s worse actually. You may be not making any decision for that person, but you are making a decision for all of us. [/quote]

How so?[/quote]

You make it ok the kill, and therefore force all of us to live amongst killers, in a society who now routinely kill its own members.

last time i checked, a change in the law was a change for everyone.

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Our society routinely kills many of its members. That’s what hospice care is all about. Why aren’t we more worried about that? Hospice care begins by depriving the patient of food and water, so the organs will shut down faster. Should we illegalize hospice care and force the families to continue feeding their grandparent?

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Since morals are subjective it can be just as moral to make abortion illegal. There.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Since morals are subjective it can be just as moral to make abortion illegal. There.[/quote]

Finally. Dear god. By the beard of Zues. I agree with this.

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Ok, so let’s make abortion illegal. It’s just as moral, and an innocent human life isn’t deliberately murdered. Two birds, one stone.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

You’re completely ignoring the fact that it’s still murder.[/quote]

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No, you’re completely ignoring the fact that your “solution” isn’t a solution at all, and until something better comes along, contraception and education are the best bet we have.

Just because you feel put at ease by the law stating that it shouldn’t be done, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen. If it were that convenient, we wouldn’t have rapists and murderers.[/quote]

I didn’t put forth a solution. I saying that killing a tiny human is still killing a human. Killing humans is either wrong or it’s not. It really is that simple. If you have to sodomize basic logic and reason to have a point, you probably don’t have one. [/quote]

Pro-life “solution” = Make it illegal. Done and dusted, we can ignore the problem now, the law will take care of the people breaking the law!

  • People like sex.
  • Sex feels good (virgins and hymens notwithstanding).
  • People, for the most part, lack impulse control.
  • Desire for sex dulls basic reasoning skills and the concept of consequence (i.e. sex might lead to babies).
  • Ergo, people will have sex.[/quote]

I like sex as much or more than most and yet…killing innocent babies is not on my list of acceptable behaviors because of my fondness for the act of making them.[/quote]

And you’re in a position to raise kids with no lasting negative impact on your life.

Others aren’t.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

You’re completely ignoring the fact that it’s still murder.[/quote]

[quote]
No, you’re completely ignoring the fact that your “solution” isn’t a solution at all, and until something better comes along, contraception and education are the best bet we have.

Just because you feel put at ease by the law stating that it shouldn’t be done, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen. If it were that convenient, we wouldn’t have rapists and murderers.[/quote]

I didn’t put forth a solution. I saying that killing a tiny human is still killing a human. Killing humans is either wrong or it’s not. It really is that simple. If you have to sodomize basic logic and reason to have a point, you probably don’t have one. [/quote]

Pro-life “solution” = Make it illegal. Done and dusted, we can ignore the problem now, the law will take care of the people breaking the law!

  • People like sex.
  • Sex feels good (virgins and hymens notwithstanding).
  • People, for the most part, lack impulse control.
  • Desire for sex dulls basic reasoning skills and the concept of consequence (i.e. sex might lead to babies).
  • Ergo, people will have sex.[/quote]

Hmmm, the number 1 cause of pregnancy is fucking. If you cannot handle the consequences of fucking, then don’t fuck.
There are plenty of methods the avoid pregnancy, but if they fail tough shit, you don’t have the right to kill cause your an idiot.

Abortion should be illegal because it kills human life, not because we want to take the fun out of fucking.
It’s life or death issue, not a ‘fucking is wrong’ issue.[/quote]

It’s not a question of rights, dickhead. I don’t know how many times I can say it, people will still look to abortion regardless of legal status. People who get pregnant in spite of properly used contraception are rare. People who think pulling out is a good method… a little more common. So why not educate these people?

OH SHIT SON NOW THEY KNOW TO USE A CONDOM OR TAKE THE PILL.

If you really cared about these so called lives, then you’d look for a solution that could reduce unplanned pregnancy, ergo reducing abortion (and possibly eliminate it with enough advancement in contraception).

But you don’t.

Interesting.

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Actually, if “hospice care is all about routinely killing people” then yes, that’s exactly what we should do.

And that’s exactly what french laws did.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, so let’s make abortion illegal. It’s just as moral, and an innocent human life isn’t deliberately murdered. Two birds, one stone.[/quote]

Well my subjective morals disagree with your subjective morals, so we’re going to have to take a vote :wink:

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[quote]kamui wrote:

Actually, if “hospice care is all about routinely killing people” then yes, that’s exactly what we should do.

And that’s exactly what french laws did.

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Hospice care is easing a person, whose organs cannot function well enough to profuse their body, into death. The french have made this illegal?

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No. French laws made the practices you described in your previous post illegal.
I don’t know if what you described in your previous post (which is a form of passive euthanasia) is “what hospice care is all about” in the US.

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, so let’s make abortion illegal. It’s just as moral, and an innocent human life isn’t deliberately murdered. Two birds, one stone.[/quote]

Well my subjective morals disagree with your subjective morals, so we’re going to have to take a vote ;)[/quote]

Why continue to hold your position when it can’t be any more moral than mine. And no human lives are murdered.

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Are we seriously comparing hospice care to abortion? Seriously?! Mesothelioma killed my own grandfather, not his hospice care.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Are we seriously comparing hospice care to abortion? Seriously?! Mesothelioma killed my own grandfather, not his hospice care. [/quote]

Would have taken a lot longer had it not been for the hospice care. In the case of my grandma, her heart and kidneys were failing at the same time, but it would have taken a least a couple of extra days to months if they hadn’t stopped giving her regular medications (normal part of hospice care) and stopped giving her food and water (another normal part). Were you aware that this is what hospice care consists of? It definitely speeds up the process.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, so let’s make abortion illegal. It’s just as moral, and an innocent human life isn’t deliberately murdered. Two birds, one stone.[/quote]

Well my subjective morals disagree with your subjective morals, so we’re going to have to take a vote ;)[/quote]

Why continue to hold your position when it can’t be any more moral than mine. And no human lives are murdered.[/quote]

Why not go out on the street and start making sure those who have sex also have easy access to contraceptives? That method of preventing abortion seems to be even more successful than making it illegal.

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Are we seriously comparing hospice care to abortion? Seriously?! Mesothelioma killed my own grandfather, not his hospice care. [/quote]

Would have taken a lot longer had it not been for the hospice care. In the case of my grandma, her heart and kidneys were failing at the same time, but it would have taken a least a couple of extra days to months if they hadn’t stopped giving her regular medications (normal part of hospice care) and stopped giving her food and water (another normal part). Were you aware that this is what hospice care consists of? It definitely speeds up the process.

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Dude, my grandfather died of an incurable disease…Nobody killed him.

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, so let’s make abortion illegal. It’s just as moral, and an innocent human life isn’t deliberately murdered. Two birds, one stone.[/quote]

Well my subjective morals disagree with your subjective morals, so we’re going to have to take a vote ;)[/quote]

Why continue to hold your position when it can’t be any more moral than mine. And no human lives are murdered.[/quote]

Why not go out on the street and start making sure those who have sex also have easy access to contraceptives? That method of preventing abortion seems to be even more successful than making it illegal.[/quote]

It’s already a contraceptive culture. Not as bad as many European nations with their below replacement fertility rates, of course. Abortion exploded after it became legal, not before.