what about Lifenol (hops extract) as an anti-estrogen product?
I found a great looking product by AOR (very respected brand) which contains DIM, Cal-d, SGS and Lifenol
Obviously the DIM and Cal-d are great. Dont know about the SGS, but from the very small amount of research i have done, i kinda think that Lifenol is something that, as a male, i might want to steer clear of.
Am i wrong?
Thanks
ive been on AOR (taking like 4 of their products right now) estro detox for 4 days now. the guy at the nutrition store said it lowered his e2 and he recommends it to every guy. SGS is an extract from broccoli sprouts and is supposed to support the safe transformation and elimination of estrogen metabolites because it can stimulate both enzymes glutathione S-transferase and quinine reductase which convert estrogen quinones into safer metabolites.
still doing research on the hops extract and why its in there.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
ive been on AOR (taking like 4 of their products right now) estro detox for 4 days now. the guy at the nutrition store said it lowered his e2 and he recommends it to every guy. SGS is an extract from broccoli sprouts and is supposed to support the safe transformation and elimination of estrogen metabolites because it can stimulate both enzymes glutathione S-transferase and quinine reductase which convert estrogen quinones into safer metabolites.
still doing research on the hops extract and why its in there.[/quote]
thanks, yes AOR is great, im on their ortho-adapt and ortho-glucose as well.
if you find anything about the hops please share. how many caps/day are you taking?
[quote]tork94 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
ive been on AOR (taking like 4 of their products right now) estro detox for 4 days now. the guy at the nutrition store said it lowered his e2 and he recommends it to every guy. SGS is an extract from broccoli sprouts and is supposed to support the safe transformation and elimination of estrogen metabolites because it can stimulate both enzymes glutathione S-transferase and quinine reductase which convert estrogen quinones into safer metabolites.
still doing research on the hops extract and why its in there.[/quote]
thanks, yes AOR is great, im on their ortho-adapt and ortho-glucose as well.
if you find anything about the hops please share. how many caps/day are you taking?[/quote]
im on ortho adapt as well. it has changed every aspect of my life. amazing product.
im only doing 1 cap of estro detox, as thats what was suggested to me. i added a cap of grape seed extract as i read its a potent aromatase inhibitor.
Hops have phyto-estrogen.
Researchers from King’s College, UK, identified a potent phytoestrogen in hops, 8-prenylnaringenin, which
has an activity greater than other established plant estrogens. 8-Prenylnaringenin competed strongly with
17ss-estradiol for binding to both the alpha- and ss-estrogen receptors. [4] Its strong estrogenic activity was
also reflected in its relative binding affinity to estrogen receptors from rat uteri. This phytoestrogen can also be detected in beer containing hops, but the levels are low.
Milligan SR, et al, Identification of a potent phytoestrogen in
hops (Humulus lupulus L.) and beer. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1999 Jun;84(6):2249-52.
Milligan SR et al, The endocrine activities of 8-prenylnaringenin and
related hop (Humulus lupulus L.) flavonoids.J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Dec;85(12):4912-5.
Phytoestrogens are compounds occurring in plants which, by interaction with the estrogen receptor, can imitate or block the effect of the female 17-β-estradiol sexual hormone and thus influence the endocrine system.
All studies also concurred that the effect of 8-prenylnaringenin is clearly lower than that
of 17-β-estradiol (factor about 100).
maybe im interpreting this wrong, but the way i see it is it binds to the same receptors that estradiol would and renders the estradiol useless.
this is directly from poliquin’s site regarding phytoestrogens.
“Another way to reduce the effects of natural human estrogens and chemical xenoestrogens is to use plant or phytoestrogens (non-soy of course) which can inhibit the receptor binding. Phytoestrogens got their name because they are plant-based compounds that can bind to both alpha and beta estrogen receptors. What does this mean to us? Because these particular phytoestrogens only have about 1/1000th the impact of true estrogens, they act almost like receptor blockers, basically taking up the parking spot and preventing the estrogens from binding and exerting their estrogenic effect.”
I posted this on the other anti-e section without a response. Someone was pumping Adonis on bb.com as a new estrogen detox product. I did this exact same protocol (Cal-D-Gluc, Sulf, and DIM), but with Poliquin supps and had great results in the past; specifically on my legs and triceps (estrogen binding sites).
I’m considering ordering, but wanted to get some feedback on this one if anyone’s tried it??
Thanks!
[quote]CoachShredder wrote:
I posted this on the other anti-e section without a response. Someone was pumping Adonis on bb.com as a new estrogen detox product. I did this exact same protocol (Cal-D-Gluc, Sulf, and DIM), but with Poliquin supps and had great results in the past; specifically on my legs and triceps (estrogen binding sites).
I’m considering ordering, but wanted to get some feedback on this one if anyone’s tried it??
Thanks![/quote]
i was looking at adondis a while ago, but its $140 plus shipping for a 1 month supply. that is ridiculous. poliquins supps are crazy expensive as well. buying the supplements separate on swanson would be so much cheaper. i saw the thread on bb.com too but didnt know you or hungryone were on T-Nation as well.
EDIT: priced a 1 month supply at $74.06 before shipping.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
this is directly from poliquin’s site regarding phytoestrogens.
“Another way to reduce the effects of natural human estrogens and chemical xenoestrogens is to use plant or phytoestrogens (non-soy of course) which can inhibit the receptor binding. Phytoestrogens got their name because they are plant-based compounds that can bind to both alpha and beta estrogen receptors. What does this mean to us? Because these particular phytoestrogens only have about 1/1000th the impact of true estrogens, they act almost like receptor blockers, basically taking up the parking spot and preventing the estrogens from binding and exerting their estrogenic effect.”[/quote]
This surprises me a bit because if I recall correctly Poliquin slammed beer drinking precisely because of the phytoestrogens present in the hops.[/quote]
i found this list on his website of “approved” phytoestrogens.
The best phytoestrogens to include in the diet are flax, sesame, leafy greens, kudzu, alfalfa, clover, licorice root, and legumes. Greens, flax, and sesame can be easily added to the diet, and the others can be supplemented to support estrogen detoxification.
wannabebig, thanks for the info. Just not sure on the quality of the Sulf via Swanson - when I did the poliquin protocol, the sulf was what made the difference, and I believe that means E16 is more my issue. Furthermore, the total stack with poliquin for the month cost me about $220 last time and based on my results I think I will make the investment on Adonis.
I will keep you posted on my results.
Thanks for the feedback!
Haha… one of the top weightlifters (or used to be) in the world, Andrei Aramnau, had this quote about drinking:
“And specifically helps me a beer to recover. I - a professional athlete and I know all the features of my body. I only drink beer. Bottle in the morning, at lunch, and later another one.”
Ironically, he was also banned from competing for a couple years because he was caught TWICE drinking/driving. The second time he was pulled over, it was right outside a mural of himself in Belarus. LOL
bump
to the OP, taking 4 caps a day of estro detox and making a little difference, not much.
to others, ordered DIM, calc-d, and sulforaphane. plan on taking 1000mg 2x a day calc-d, 200mg 2x a day DIM, and 30mg 2x a day of sulforaphane. basically mimicking adonis estrogen detox.