I’ve been debating the same man, but worried about the post injection pain I constantly read about.
Prop is not generally painful unless it wasn’t made properly (poor filtration, ratios of excipients, extra solvents to drive up higher concentrations, etc.) There is next to zero PIP from Empowers prop.
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Agree. Especially if your going small injections.
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Prop daily is more fluctuations than Cyp once/week.
You have to look at the half-life. Prop is ~20 hours and Cyp is ~7 days. Injecting cyp once/week is essentially every half-life. Prop once/24 hours is more (longer) than a single half-life.
People are often confused about this and think Prop daily is very stable. The reality is that Prop daily still leads to massive flucutations in hormone levels.
I’ve tested both peak and trough levels on the same dose of daily Prop and my Free T would fluctuate by 40-50% over a 24 hours period.
On Cyp, it’s less than 5% fluctuations on daily injections, and around 35% once/week.
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To add to the last few posts, I’ve used both Empower Prop as well as Prop from a legit UGL (Jano tested myself) and both were essentially painless.
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How did you like being on prop?
This question was probably directed at someone else but I’ll answer for me in case it’s helpful. I found prop to be very stimulating. Similar to cream but not to the same level. It feels good for the first week or two and then any positive effects wore off and my sexual function got worse. I believe the increased libido was dopamine or protocol-change related for me than anything different about prop itself. Pinning daily or eod got old fast for me. I held less water on it, likely due to the increased injection frequency. I will say that now occasionally, if I want a boost for a day or two, injecting 5 to 20mg prop very occasionally does provide a little benefit. Overall I like enanthate better but still trying to dial everything in. Hope that helps.
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Prop was great, I’m actually back on it now for the last ~3 weeks with some Mast Prop for E2 control.
Prop is much stronger libido and erections. Workouts are also way better, I get stronger mind-body connection, more energy, more aggression and willingness to push myself, etc…
My mind also works a lot better. On long esters I feel retarded. I become completely incapable of complex reasoning.
The only issue is my E2 goes a lot higher and my FT:E2 ratio is a lot worse. Interestingly, despite that I drop some of the water weight from longer esters and get a lot leaner, but above 14-15mg/day I start getting headaches and my nipples start to sting/itch.
I also feel hyperstimulated, to @oxs22 's point, which is why I stopped taking Prop initially. However for me the overstimulation is a clear sign of high E2. So right now I’m running 6mg/day (~40mg/week) of Mast P along 14mg/day (~100mg/week) of Test P to keep E2 under control. I only added the Mast about 1 week ago and I think it’s starting to really take full effect, but we’ll see.
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I think there is something to it being in and out of your system so quick. Enjoy high levels for most of the day then relax and give your body a break by night time. Hence like you said even though you get more amped up, you still feel better mentally.
And to be fair I was experimenting with a carnivore diet for an extended period of time before I tried prop which may have negatively impacted my results, as long term the issues with that diet start to creep in. Every time I inject prop now on top of my standard enanthate it feels great, so I should probably give it another go.
Just wondering do you have numbers to compare for these that you can share?
I’ve always been intrigued to try a combo. A base long ester, on a lower end dose and then the daily prop.
Maybe like a 80+80mg weekly combo or something like that.
I know a guy who has great results injecting 100mg cyp and 20mg prop together once a week