I think that Rush is right. We are all witnessing a major liberal crackup!
I agree. And it’s not just the presidential race that is fueling the flame out.
I think it started back in 1994, with the whole Contract With America thing. Since then, you’ve seen steady increase in republican-held seats - whether at the national level, or on the state level.
Real people are starting to see that the democrats have no message. They haven’t had one in years. It’s becoming embarrassingly apparent that the last democrat with a message was JFK (the Real JFK).
When the latest polling data suggest that only 16% of likely voters think Bush’s N.G. service is even an issue, why are the dems spending their time bringing it up? It’s because they are devoid of a message, and resorting to name-calling and mud-slinging is all they have left in their little bag-o-tricks
Was he wasted when he said that?
lumpy the liberal
While John Kerry is headed for a loss, I would not rule out the entire democratic party just yet. Politics has more to do with the person than the party with the masses.
I have found that when the party has the proper candidate that people tend to be impressed regardless of party philosophy. Bill Clinton is a good example of this. After Ronald Reagen won two terms so convincingly people were writing the obituary on the democratic party. Then George Bush (Sr.) won, making that false impression even more clear. Then something happened. Bill Clinton seemed to revive the democrats and win back the White House, and get reelected as well. Not because he was a democrat, but because he was a good looking candidate with a strong message.
After Kerry’s ineveitable defeat the democratic party will regroup and the next time around they just might get the right man, or woman, and once again, regardless of idiology, take back the White House.
Wow, I really need to get an overview of the Democratic Party from an expert like Rainjack. If Democrats have “no message” than how can you be so outraged at Democratic positions. According to you, they don’t have any.
Oh shit, I forgot this is where logic isn’t really on the menu.
As far as parties cracking up, the real story is the struggle in the Republican party, between moderate Republicans like Arlen Specter, and extremist nutjobs like Tom DeLay and Rick Santorum. The far right extremists are trying to force all the moderates out of the party. A crackup is very possible.
By the way, did you see how Arlen Specter and other moderate Repubs voted with the Democrats today, to defeat Bush’s proposed bill that cuts overtime pay? That is just today’s news, as an example of the schism in the GOP.
Personally, I hope that the Republicans get as extreme and as freaky as they want to be, because mainstream America does not share their views. Go nuts!!! The further out the GOP gets, the faster they will be out of office. So go for it, guys. But don’t act surprised in a few weeks, when you’ve lost the majority in the Senate and the House (and very possibly the White House too).
Zeb-
What you say is true, but you are talking about Presidential politics.
I do believe that there is a ground swell of local conservatism. This goes deeper than presidential politics.
Since 1994 - which, by the way was the birth year of the greatest economic explosion in history - when Republicans took control of the House, There has been a steady increase in republicans holding public office.
I agree with you that a politician’s ability to woo voters is important. I also agree with Tip O’Neal’s quote that, “All politics is local”. I think that now, Republicans have a better message and can apply that message on all political levels.
The Democrats have been running on the New Deal platform since the 30’s. That is not a message that voters are responding to anymore - and that is being proved in each election, as more and more republicans are winning.
[quote]Lumpy wrote:
Wow, I really need to get an overview of the Democratic Party from an expert like Rainjack.
[/quote]
I never thought of myself as an expert, but now that you mention it - maybe I am an expert.
Yeah…I like the sound of that. Expert.
Thanks Lumpy -
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
Wow, I really need to get an overview of the Democratic Party from an expert like Rainjack.
I never thought of myself as an expert, but now that you mention it - maybe I am an expert.
Yeah…I like the sound of that. Expert.
Thanks Lumpy - [/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. RLTW
rangertab75
I saw that someone suggested that a lot of the ABB crowd might need to sign up for group therapy when Bush wins, given the amount of shrieking and gnashing of teeth that will accompany the feeling of “I can believe we lost to HIM AGAIN…”
That, I think, explains the feeling of despair that is accompanying the Kerry campaign’s meltdown. In reality, a lot can happen between now and November, especially if Bush gets cocky or of something big goes wrong. But right now the Dems have got to feel like Buffalo Bills fans in the 1990s.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
a lot can happen between now and November, especially if Bush gets cocky or of something big goes wrong. But right now the Dems have got to feel like Buffalo Bills fans in the 1990s.[/quote]
You sound a little cocky yourself. Don’t bust out the Champale just yet, most people agree the race is too close to call. Bush’s convention bounce has basically disappeared, and while it’s fun to talk about percentage points in a national poll, as far as I know we still use the Electoral College to elect a president, and the electoral college vote is too close to call.
Last time, your guy barely squeeked through, and I dare say Bush is LESS popular now than he was 4 years ago, and Kerry is a better candidate than Gore was.
[quote]Lumpy wrote:
Bush’s convention bounce has basically disappeared, [/quote]
Are you deranged? How did you get this in your head?
I know I’m kind of tough on you man, but the biggest problem I have with you is your total lack of conjugating an honest post.
At least I’m just a jackass that likes to point fun at people like you.
Try Google. Try following the news.
Bush’s convention bounce is now a 1 to 2 point lead, which is statistically insignificant.
I assume that you know what the term statistically insignificant means.
Try this:
"The new Gallup poll, conducted entirely after the GOP convention and therefore the first poll that truly measures Bush’s bounce, shows Bush with a very small bounce indeed: 2 points, whether you look at registered voters (RVs) or likely voters (LVs). His support among RVs has risen from 47 percent before to 49 percent after the convention, so that he now leads Kerry by a single point (49-48) rather than trailing by a point.
Note also that Bush’s 2-point bounce from his convention (which is defined as the change in a candidate’s level of support, not in margin) is the worst ever received by an incumbent president, regardless of party, and the worst ever received by a Republican candidate, whether incumbent or not"
September 9, 2004
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=183679
Uh, “conjugate”? Are you trying to dazzle me with your perspicacity?
[quote]Lumpy wrote:
Uh, “conjugate”? Are you trying to dazzle me with your perspicacity?[/quote]
It’s very telling that the word “conjugate” dazzles you. You’re such a big boy.
Lumpa,
Let’s see what Gallup says.
Go to http://www.gallup.com/election2004/.
Sept. 3-5, 2004
Based on Likely Voters
George 52%
Kerry 45%
Of course the Democratic Party is witnessing a crackup - or at least an identity crisis. The very existence of a Ralph Nader proves it.
There has always existed an uneasy tension between the blue-collar Union-type Democrats and the postmodern left-wing types. That alone is not the crackup, but it’s why Raphie and the Greens keep making the Democrats do a “two steps forward, one step back” approach.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? It has become a party of reaction instead of proaction. Whatever the conservatives are for, we’re not, say the Democrats.
And that’s why they are losing steam. Democrats don’t offer an alternative, only criticism.
Just look at all the best-selling anti-Bush books and movies. They all look to tear apart Bush. Fine. But what do they offer in his place? The writers/filmmakers never say. There’s no agenda, no roadmap. Just the lazy, cheap work of satirists and cynics. Reminds me of those bratty little girls in the high school cliques that spend all day rolling their eyes at everyone.
Here’s a typical Democrat - he reads half a book and then takes to the street in protest half-educated and half-cocked.
John Kerry himself, is doing himself in. And the reason is this: You do not know where he actually stands on the issues. He has changed his positions so many times. And you cannot deny it. It is so well documented. And the American people do not know who the real John Kerry is. And because he has changed his mind so many times, on the issues, and where he stands on them, Americans feel they canot trust him. What direction will he lead this country? What convinctions does he have? And what is happening is the Democrats are realizing their candidate is in sserious trouble, and that is why all the people from the Clinton Presidency, and CLintons’ friends, are trying to come to the rescue. You see the Democrats in the press, and media these days, using the race card, scaring the eldery. Up to their olde tactics all over again. This is how desperate the Democrats are. They will do anything and try anything, so they will get in power once again, in Washington. That is why they are declaring war on this President. They do not care what they or what they do, or how many lies they are saying. Or how much mud they have to throw on the President.
And I am sure you can say well in return, well the Republicans are doing the same exact thing to us Democrats.
But why are they doing it? Again, look at how many times John Kerry has changed his views. Mean he is going to Talk today to the National Guard. We going to here some more flip flopping?
What is it going to be Mr. Kerry you for the War? You going to supporting money for the troops, now?
Also the dodging the questions about the past. Not talking about his reocrd in the past, as a Senator. Not apologizing. Giving his reasons for changing his mind, so so much. Not coming clean on Vietnam. Kerry is not even having question and answer sessions, on the issues. John Kerry is keeping so much secret. Under lock and key. Not revealing to the American people.
Add to this people not asking the right probing questions. Or if they do he changes the subject, or answers it in a round about way.
And the more the above is not answered,
and the more he waffles on the issues, and stances, the more the American people do not know who John Kerry is.
And it is this lack of desiciveness, the lack of showing true leadership qualities, his lack of conviction, or being able to say this is really where I stand on this issue,also people not knowing his plan for the War on Terror, and not change the mind, is why people are turning more to Bush.
Americans want someone they can trust. Someone who can lead them. Especially not give in, and cave in especially on the War on Terror. Someone who will fight these terrorists anyway they can. Do whatever it takes. SOmeone who will say, and do what they say. Someone who has deep, strong convictions. Someone who they know where they stand on the issues, and not waffle back and forth. Someone who is not afraid to listen to the American pepole. Listen to their concerns. Not turn a deaf ear to them. Someone who is not afraid to take the hard questions, and answer them direct and forthright. And if they made some mistakes, afraid to admit I was wrong.
For this is exactly what the American people are looking for in our next President. And whoever gives them these qulaities the most , out of the two. Even if they do not agree on everything they stand for, That is who they will vote for. And that is the bottom line…
Joe
chucksmanjo:
Very nicely stated!
[quote]Lumpy wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
a lot can happen between now and November, especially if Bush gets cocky or of something big goes wrong. But right now the Dems have got to feel like Buffalo Bills fans in the 1990s.
You sound a little cocky yourself. Don’t bust out the Champale just yet, most people agree the race is too close to call. Bush’s convention bounce has basically disappeared, and while it’s fun to talk about percentage points in a national poll, as far as I know we still use the Electoral College to elect a president, and the electoral college vote is too close to call.
Last time, your guy barely squeeked through, and I dare say Bush is LESS popular now than he was 4 years ago, and Kerry is a better candidate than Gore was.[/quote]
I refer you to the futures markets – better than any polls:
http://www.geekmedia.org/tradesports/
But if you do like polls, note these developments – some polls in states Kerry was counting on are showing either Bush ahead or a dead heat:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=326&dept_id=449009&newsid=12913734&PAG=461&rfi=9
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/2004-09-08-poll.htm
Or, here’s the latest electoral count, based on current polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_EC.html