Bush Told the Truth

At least, as best as he knew it, concerning WMD. That appears to be the way the story is playing itself out.

Here is a link to another Financial Times story concerning a British governmental report concerning the “yellowcake” intelligence, and below I will post a link to an NY Times story on how the bad intel from the CIA re: WMD was not coerced:

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Inquiry will back intelligence that Iraq sought uranium
By Mark Huband in London
Published: July 7 2004 22:38 | Last Updated: July 8 2004 0:49

A UK government inquiry into the intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq is expected to conclude that Britain’s spies were correct to say that Saddam Hussein’s regime sought to buy uranium from Niger.

The inquiry by Lord Butler, which was delivered to the printers on Wednesday and is expected to be released on July 14, has examined the intelligence that underpinned the UK government’s claims about the threat from Iraq.

The report will say the claim that Mr Hussein could deploy chemical weapons within 45 minutes, seized on by UK prime minister Tony Blair to bolster the case for war with Iraq, was inadequately supported by the available intelligence, people familiar with its contents say .

But among Lord Butler’s other areas of investigation was the issue of whether Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger. People with knowledge of the report said Lord Butler has concluded that this claim was reasonable and consistent with the intelligence.

President George W. Bush referred to the Niger claim in his state of the union address last year. But officials were forced into a climbdown when it was revealed that the only primary intelligence material the US possessed were documents later shown to be forgeries.

The Bush administration has since distanced itself from all suggestions that Iraq sought to buy uranium. The UK government has remained adamant that negotiations over sales did take place and that the fake documents were not part of the intelligence material it had gathered to underpin its claim.

The Financial Times revealed last week that a key part of the UK’s intelligence on the uranium came from a European intelligence service that undertook a three-year surveillance of an alleged clandestine uranium-smuggling operation of which Iraq was a part.

Intelligence officials have now confirmed that the results of this operation formed an important part of the conclusions of British intelligence. The same information was passed to the US but US officials did not incorporate it in their assessment.

The 45-minute claim appeared four times in a government dossier on Iraq’s WMD issued in September 2002, including in the foreword by Mr Blair.

It became the subject of intense scrutiny when government scientist David Kelly was alleged to have voiced concerns about the claim’s accuracy to Andrew Gilligan, then a BBC reporter.

Mr Gilligan’s report of his conversation with Mr Kelly unleashed a fierce dispute between the government and the BBC that culminated in Mr Kelly’s suicide, an inquiry into the circumstances of his death, and the resignation of the BBC’s two most senior officials.

Lord Butler is said to have produced a report that criticises the process of intelligence gathering and assessment on Iraq but refrains from criticising individual officials.


Here’s the NY Times link:

Of course, it being the Gray Lady, the story tries to spin the negatives and quotes all the “concerns” of the Democratic Senators, and whines that there isn’t more negative coverage of the White House. However, here is the money quote:

“The unanimous report by the panel will say there is no evidence that intelligence officials were subjected to pressure to reach particular conclusions about Iraq. That issue had been an early focus of Democrats, but none of the more than 200 intelligence officials interviewed by the panel made such a claim, and the Democrats have recently focused criticism on the question of whether the intelligence was misused.”

Here is the very apt observation of blogger Tom McGuire:
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More than 200 witnesses, any of whom would have been given a career-long shoulder ride by the Democrats simply for uttering the magic words, and no one admitted to being pressured to produce cooked intelligence? That will come as a shock to some, and we are sure the Times will want to highlight this information.

And no, we are not surprised. And if I could trust my memory, I would say that similar stories have come out from various earlier investigations.

“Bush Told the Truth… At least, as best as he knew it, concerning WMD. That appears to be the way the story is playing itself out.”

That’s not true. Team Bush knew that the 13 words in the SOTU speech didn’t belong, and included them anyway.

Team Bush knew that the evidence Powell was given to present at the UN was weak and inconclusive, yet it was presented as a definite fact.

Should we really parse what Bush knew and said, and what his immediate advisors knew and said?

What ever happened to the guy in charge being responsible? What about expecting a degree of competence and oversight from the President? Whatever happened to “The Buck Stops Here”?

Also, it’s funny to hear you imply that the New York Times is spinning the story, but somehow the Financial Times isn’t.

Let me guess, the 911 commission isn’t going to spin, either?

I saw Richard Clarke testify that he was ordered to find a link between Iraq and 911 by Cheney. How does that jibe with your story?

Oops, I forgot that Clarke is at the top of the list of officials and generals who are lying under oath because “they hate America.” LOL

[quote]Lumpy wrote:
“Bush Told the Truth… At least, as best as he knew it, concerning WMD. That appears to be the way the story is playing itself out.”

That’s not true. Team Bush knew that the 13 words in the SOTU speech didn’t belong, and included them anyway.

Team Bush knew that the evidence Powell was given to present at the UN was weak and inconclusive, yet it was presented as a definite fact.

Should we really parse what Bush knew and said, and what his immediate advisors knew and said?

What ever happened to the guy in charge being responsible? What about expecting a degree of competence and oversight from the President? Whatever happened to “The Buck Stops Here”?

Also, it’s funny to hear you imply that the New York Times is spinning the story, but somehow the Financial Times isn’t.

Let me guess, the 911 commission isn’t going to spin, either?

I saw Richard Clarke testify that he was ordered to find a link between Iraq and 911 by Cheney. How does that jibe with your story?

Oops, I forgot that Clarke is at the top of the list of officials and generals who are lying under oath because “they hate America.” LOL[/quote]

Lumpy:

Do you even recall the SIXTEEN words in question? Let me refresh your memory:

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”

Which words were you forgetting? “The British government” most likely… How is that untrue? Even if some people in our CIA doubted it, which part is untrue? Enough info has come out about Ambassador Joe’s little tea-drinking investigation that it would seem that Bush could trust the MI-5 intel at least as well as his supposed “refutation.”

As for “weak and inconclusive”, go back and look at what Powell said, and show me how it was presented as fact rather than as intelligence? Not to mention Bush had the CIA arguing up and down that the case was “airtight”, to quote Mr. Tenet.

Does it matter what Bush knew? Yeah, it kind of does if you’re going to go around arguing he lied. Lying, you see, is consciously saying something you know to be false, with the intent to deceive. Being wrong is not a lie.

The buck does stop with Bush. Unfortunately for you and Mssrs. Kerry and Edwards, it increasingly appears that Bush and Blair and the rest of the allies acted as one would expect leaders to act in the face of an intransigent dictator with a history of using WMD who was not complying with demands that he demonstrate his dismantling of his WMDs, and who was both harboring and succoring terrorists, planning terrorist attacks against the U.S., and shooting at allied planes on a daily basis for 10 years. Leaders act to protect their people and to preempt threats when the balance of available information suggests they exist.

Looking back at the evidence at hand, there was a lot more information pointing at the threat posed by Saddam than information indicating an attack was to occur on 9/11 – don’t you want someone to “connect the dots”?

All of you shrill caterwaulers who have been squealing for months that “Bush lied!” are looking mighty sad right now.

As for Clarke, go back and check your facts. That claim of his was rebutted to the point he “felt pressure” although no one told him to do anything of the sort.

As for Financial Times spin, read the story. They mention the report will likely be critical of British intelligence on many accounts, but it backs up the claim Bush made, which was the point of what I posted. And as for the 9/11 Commission, weren’t you touting all its findings just a short while ago – before they rebutted Michael Moore and made him look like even more of a chimp?

“LOL!”

There is one thing that is wrong with many people in America. And that is they only look at one side of the coin.

I also find that just like when I post on other boards, espeically boards discussing the Battle of Gettysburg, or even when discussing working out, or powerlifting, Too many are afraid to learn something new. And still insist on saying the same things over and over again, and not even look at what the person is saying. Or they read or say what they want to. It reminds me like when I go to the gym, and you see theese young kids with no guidance, wearing those beach sandals, doing the squats, and thinking they know it all. And you overhear one saying, "I would never be caught dead in sneakers like that,(Chucks). While not even trying a pair on and squatting in them.

I have gone into extensive searches to see, is there anything that is worth some credence or truth as to what so many people who are against Bush, or the Iraq War have been saying. Or what one says about Bill Clinton, and how he handled terrorism, And just like I went into Clinton and Osama Bin Laden, and found 235,000 wqebsites, not a one, I have found so far, is saying anything with what Richard Clarke or others have been saying. And again these websites are not right winged websites either.

Take for example that Sudanese Report I quoted in the section Michael Moore a Terrorist…That report goes on and on and on, and was written in 2000, and very critical of CLinton. Yes you do read the mistake Bush Sr made about giving the aide to the Afghans fighting then the USSR. But what Clinton did with the terorists and the Sudanese andwith Osama Bin Laden. Many people have been lying. Distorting the facts. Mean you take for example…How many times since 9/11 occurred, has Former President CLinton even went to Ground Zero? Perhaps his conscience is bothering him???

Same goes with Iraq. The talk leading up to the War and why Bush went to War. Time after time after time, people made references to Sadam Hussien and what he was planning to do… And yet they sidestep it all… Or refuse to look at it… The big picture. They keep saying where are the WMD?

Well…you just look on some websites, (not just the right wniged websites either), the findings that have been made. Why just recently radioactive material was found…But the majority of the Press and media are refusing or not talking about it… Just like I have talked and posted the leading Dem Senator Joe Liebermans’ Speech… And how he spells out clear as day… Why we had to go to War with Iraq… Is there a reason why the press and media, etc are not telling the American people this? Or as I said even allow Sen Liberman to speak on the Sunday programs, Perhaps…

And finally…Like my best friends neightbor that works with the press and media. WHo works with the Army. Why is it that they see one thing, and report another…An agenda perhaps…

Again as I and Senator Lieberman, have stated time and time again, if we are to combat terrorism, we must unite as one. And we must look at both sides of the coin…For as Abraham Lincoln said in the Lincoln Douglas debates, in Freeport Ill. “A House divded cannot stand. It must remain all free, or all slave.” Both sides have to come to some sort of aggreement, or compromise. Then unite and work together, to solve the problems and issues. Again just think if we did Unite…the world united…Why we would see a whole different world…perhaps have peace in this world???

Joe

Just found this GREAT column by Canadian/American/British journalist and pundit Mark Steyn:

http://www.steynonline.com/pageprint.cfm?edit_id=68

BUSH LIED!!! (NOT)

How do you feel about uranium from Niger?

That?s how I began a Spectator column on July 19th 2003 when Niger and ?Bush?s LIE??? about it was supposedly the biggest issue of the day. One year later, a British inquiry, led by Lord Butler, into pre-war intelligence has concluded that ? whaddayaknow? ? MI6 were justified in claiming Saddam was trying to buy uranium from Niger.

Strange how, one by one, the ?BUSH LIES??? turn out to be factually accurate. The obvious conclusion is that the ?anti-war movement? is not so much anti-war as in denial. It denies that there is a war, that there?s anything to worry about, and it?s so invested in this delusion that it?s prepared to stand reality on its head. The ?BUSH LIE??? on Niger will persist even if footage turns up of Saddam in Africa taking personal possession of the yellowcake order.

The real issue, yet again, is the pitiful state of US intelligence. Here?s what I wrote last July:

?Anyway, the other day for the umpteenth time in the last week some anti-war type demanded to know how I felt about uranium in Niger. Well, I have no strong views about it. I would not number it with raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens among my favourite things. But then I never said I did. And neither did George W. Bush, despite the best efforts of the anti-war crowd to assert that he led us into an ?illegitimate war? over uranium in Niger. ?Bush Lied Over Niger Uranium Claims!!!?, as a good couple of dozen emails a day scream from my in-box.

I wrote a gazillion pieces urging war with Iraq, and never found the time to let the word Niger pass my lips. And, if it had passed, my lips would have said ?Ny-juh? and not ?Nee-zhaire?. But here?s what the President had to say, when he ?LIED OVER NIGER URANIUM CLAIMS??? back in the State of the Union address in January:

The British government has learnt that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

That?s it: 16 words. Where?s the lie? Though the CIA director George Tenet now says his boys shouldn?t have approved that sentence, Tony Blair is standing by it.

Nonetheless, the Democrats smell blood and don?t want to be told that it?s their own. ?President Bush Deceives the American People? roars the Democratic National Committee, headed by Clinton stain-mopper Terry McAuliffe. Bush did not wag his finger and say ?Saddam Hussein did have radioactive relations with that yellowcake, Miss Niger.? All he did was report that America?s closest ally had asserted something which it continues to assert to this day.

Intelligence is a hit-and-miss business. In 1998, when Bill Clinton launched mid-Monica cruise-missile attacks on Afghanistan and the Sudan, he hit a Khartoum aspirin factory and missed Osama bin Laden. The claims that the aspirin factory was producing nerve gas and was an al-Qa?eda front proved to be untrue. Does that mean Clinton lied to us? I mean, apart from about Gennifer, Monica, and which part of the party of the first part?s enumerated parts came into contact with part of the party of the second part?s enumerated parts. Or was it just that the intelligence was lousy? The intel bureaucracy got the Sudanese aspirin factory wrong, failed to spot 9/11 coming, and insisted it was impossible for any American to penetrate bin Laden?s network, only to have Johnnie bin Joss-Stick from hippy-dippy Marin County on a self-discovery jaunt round the region stroll into the cave and be sharing the executive latrine with the A-list jihadi within 20 minutes.

So, if you?re the President and the same intelligence bureaucrats who got all the above wrong say the Brits are way off the mark, there?s nothing going on with Saddam and Africa, what do you do? Do you say, ?Hey, even a stopped clock is right twice a day?? Or do you make the reasonable assumption that, given what you?ve learnt about the state of your humint (human intelligence) in the CIA, is it likely they?ve got much of a clue about what?s going on in French Africa? Isn?t this one of those deals where the Brits and the shifty French (Niger?s uranium operations are under the supervision of the French Atomic Energy Commission) are more plugged in?

But here?s a much more pertinent question than whether BUSH LIED!!!: how loopy are the Democrats? One reason why the President, in defiance of last week?s Spectator, is all but certain to win re-election is the descent into madness of his opponents. They?ve let post-impeachment, post-chad-dangling bitterness unhinge them to the point where, given a choice between investigating the intelligence lapses that led to 9/11 and the intelligence lapses that led to a victorious war in Iraq, they stampede for the latter. Iraq was a brilliant campaign fought with minimal casualties, 11 September was a humiliating failure by government to fulfill its primary role of national defence. But Democrats who complained that Bush was too slow to act on doubtful intelligence re 9/11 now profess to be horrified that he was too quick to act on doubtful intelligence re Iraq. This is not a serious party.

Who knows what really happened in Africa? Maybe the CIA guy in Niamey (assuming they have one) filed a report on uranium in Niger and back at head office the assistant deputy paper-shuffler looked at it upside-down and said, ?There?s something here about Saddam getting nigerium from Uranus,? and the deputy assistant paper shuffler said, ?Jeez, we need to go into full ass-covering mode.? Either way, you could ask a million folks and never find one whose view on the war was determined by anything to do with Niger, which, insofar as anybody?s ever heard of it, is mostly assumed to be either an abbreviation of Nigeria or a breakaway republic thereof, leaving the rump statelet of Ia to go it alone. But Democratic candidates have somehow been persuaded that it?s in their interest to pretend that the entire case for war rested on one footnote: ?It?s beginning to sound a little like Watergate,? says Howard Dean. What did the President not know and when did he not know it? Struggling to keep up, John Kerry has said that Bush ?misled every one of us?, even though the Senator himself has been warning about Saddam?s weapons for years and voted in favour of the Iraq war months before the State of the Union or Colin Powell?s UN presentations or anything else.

The trouble with all this bleating about how you feel ?misled? is that you sound not like a putative commander-in-chief but like an Arkansas state employee in Bill Clinton?s motel room…

A few weeks later, the story got hijacked in perpetuity by the great narcissist Joseph C Wilson IV, whose basic line ever since has been ?But enough about nuclear proliferation, let?s talk about me.? Alas, even the fickle Democrats have moved on, abandoning Joe for Michael Moore and other diversions. Again, the real issue in the whole Wilson/Plame story is about the competence of US intelligence: Why did the CIA send an unqualified man on the payroll of a Saudi-funded think-tank to investigate this issue? Come to that, why does the conspirazoid left suddenly take the CIA?s word for everything? Here?s what I wrote in The Spectator on October 11th last year:

Early last year, the Bush administration dispatched a career diplomat to Niger to check out whether there was anything to the rumours that Saddam was trying to buy uranium from Africa. The former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV returned from the dark continent, reported his findings and was distressed to discover from this January?s state of the Union address that the White House still inclined to the British view of the situation. So in July he wrote a column for The New York Times headlined ?What I Didn?t Find In Africa?. By ?Africa?, the Times meant Niger, which is the only country Ambassador Wilson visited. Shortly thereafter, two SAOs (Senior Administration Officials) leaked the name of Wilson?s wife to my Chicago Sun-Times colleague Robert Novak: her name is Valerie Plame and she works for the CIA. Nobody paid any attention for two months. Then another SAO from some other faction in the administration counter-leaked details of the original leak from the original SAOs. And now it?s Watergate. In theory.

And if you watch the network news that?s pretty much where the facts stop. The Independent summed up the angle most of the press seems to be interested in: ?Disclosed CIA Officer Fears For Her Life? ? i.e., Ms Plame?s name was leaked in order to put her in danger. The notion that Ms Plame ?fears for her life? is somewhat undermined by the fact that her gabby hubby, currently on TV, radio and sympathetic websites 22 hours a day, is clearly having a ball, loving the attention and happy to yuk it up about how he and the missus have been ?discussing who would play her in the movie?.

But, despite the media?s efforts to oomph it up into Watergate ? or ?Intimigate? ? it doesn?t make any sense as a conventional political scandal. Even if you accept that it?s technically possible to leak something that?s widely known around town and published in the guy?s Who?s Who entry, if the object was to discredit Joe Wilson why leak the name of his wife? On his own, Wilson comes over like a total flake ? not a sober striped-pants diplomat but a shaggy-maned ideologically driven kook whose hippie-lyric quotes make a lot more sense than his neocon-bashing diatribes for leftie dronefests like The Nation. This is a guy who says things like, ?Neoconservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both.? He spends his days dreaming of the first sentence of his obituary: ?Joseph C. Wilson IV, the Bush I administration political appointee who did the most damage to the Bush II administration.? Imagine Michael Moore and his ego after dropping 300lbs on the Atkins diet and you?re close enough. By revealing the fact that Mrs Wilson is a cool blonde CIA agent, all you do is give her husband a credibility lacking in almost every aspect of his speech, mien and coiffure.

Even his original New York Times piece must rank as one of the paper?s weakest efforts to damage Bush: in Niger, Ambassador Wilson says he spent ?eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country?s uranium business?. He concedes he never filed a written report and most of the rest of the column reads like a travelogue (?Through the haze, I could see camel caravans crossing the Niger river?). As a claim to expertise, it?s laughable.

No, this isn?t Watergate; it?s bigger than that. The version of the story that still fits the facts is in that Bob Novak Sun-Times column from July. Novak wanted to know why Wilson had been chosen to go to Africa. It?s one thing not to be a card-carrying neocon, quite another to be as antipathetic to the administration and the war as this fellow. The White House asked the CIA, the CIA recommended Wilson, and their recommendation was accepted automatically. But what the original leakers told Novak was that it was Mrs Wilson who?d proposed her husband for the job. The Company responded that their counter-proliferation officials came up with Wilson and they only used the wife to contact him.

It doesn?t really matter which version you believe, because the end result?s the same: an agency known to be opposed to war in Iraq sent an employee?s spouse also known to be opposed to war in Iraq on a perfunctory joke mission. And, after eight days sipping tea and meeting government officials in one city of one country, Ambassador Wilson gave a verbal report to the CIA and was horrified to switch on his TV and see Bush going on about what British Intelligence had learned about Saddam and Africa.

I?ll stand by my original assessment, as does Her Majesty?s government. No political leader is obliged to accept a particular intelligence finding. Invariably, you?re presented with contradictory pieces of information and evidence, and you?re obliged to choose. If President Bush chooses to believe British and French Intelligence over the CIA, that?s his prerogative. It?s also a telling comment on the state of the agency. When M sends Bond somewhere to nose around, his car usually gets run off the road as he?s leaving the airport and the croupier he has sex with that evening turns out to be an enemy agent. But, unless you get that lucky, you wind up doing what Wilson did: drinking tea with the stooges the government arranges for you to meet. Everything about Mr Wilson?s day trip to the heart of darkness suggests either wilful obstruction or sheer ineptness by the CIA.

Two years after 9/11, the CIA is still not up to the job of human intelligence. It has no idea of what?s going on in Iran or North Korea. It relies on aerial photographs and ?chatter? ? which is a fancy term for monitoring e-mail. But it has no insight whatsoever into the minds of the Politburo or the mullahs. So, when it comes to their nuclear ambitions, all we have is guesswork ? or, more accurately, wishful thinking, given that both Hashemi Rafsanjani and the Norks have promised to use their nukes as soon as they can.

If sending Joseph C. Wilson IV to Niger for a week is the best the world?s only hyperpower can do, that?s a serious problem. If the Company knew it was a joke all along, that?s a worse problem. It means Mr Bush is in the same position with the CIA as General Musharraf is with Pakistan?s ISI: when he makes a routine request, he has to figure out whether they?re going to use it to try and set him up. This is no way to win a terror war.

I’m supposed to seriously read an article that contains utter dreck like this?

[quote]President Bush Deceives the American People roars the Democratic National Committee, headed by Clinton stain-mopper Terry McAuliffe…

The trouble with all this bleating about how you feel misled is that you sound not like a putative commander-in-chief but like an Arkansas state employee in Bill Clinton’s motel room… [/quote]

Why do you even bother citing garbage like that?