Lion normally you tend to post a anti-Bush comment. Are you anti-Bush or against or form of government? Where do you stand?
Damici, bravo.
Lion, you are a bad person.
well, i wouldn’t be completely surprised if there was advanced knowledge by some in government(although, i believe if anybody it would be the cia), and there’s certainly nothing wrong with asking that question. there was an unusually high amount of short selling before the attacks, particularly with airline stocks, and the cia has something called promis (sp?)software which allows them to monitor the stock market to make sure nobody is fucking with the economy. there may be a possibility that the cia recognized this,knew something was going to happen and did nothing, but used this information for their own personal gain and did nothing…also consider that the gulf of tonkin incident which plunged the us into full-scale war with vietnam turned out to be completley bogus, which even us news & world report admitted. and that the us had cracked the japanese message codes and that fdr (read day of deceit),may very well have known about the iminent attack on pearl harbor…my point is that i don’t know about 9/11, but when government has a history of deception and murder, jfk,rfk, and mlk assassinations, gulf of tonkin, watergate, whitewater, etc, etc. anything is possible, it may be considered unpatriotic to question things as i do, just as it was once considered inconceiveable that pearl harbor was anything other then a surprise attack or that jfk was killed by something other than a lone assassin. what i would like to know is who benefited financially from sept. 11, to me that is the key to getting the answers.
I’m not anti bush and I’m certainly not anti gov’t. Is that even possible? I’mean he is a dumass whose shortsightedness isnt doing us any good but I’m not anti him.
now i knowthis is a sensitive spot for some who would rather i not seak badly about poor georgie but but just one instance of what i’m referring to is his banning federal funds going to stem cell research. Because his religious views conflict with it he will make us fall behind the rest of the world in this area. And then we’ll be paying out of our ass for whatever they come up if its even legal for us to use their results. But thats another discussion. If gore was in office he might be doing the same dumb shit …who knows?
Mr. lion is correct. There is plenty of evidence dubya knew all along what was coming.
On June 23rd, air industry officials received a remarkably detailed warning about a threat from Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network to use airliners to attack Americans. Citing a report from the Arabic-language MBC satellite television channel, the AirlineBiz.com news service reported: “In recent years, U.S. citizens have found themselves the target of several attacks by the terror network of Osama bin Laden. One such attack involved a plot to destroy 12 U.S. airliners in Asia. A jury found Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, the alleged mastermind of the scheme, and two other defendants, guilty on all counts. Yousef is also the alleged mastermind of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center…”
The scheme to use jetliners as terrorist weapons, called “Project Bojinka,” had been uncovered by police in the Philippines in 1995, and the details had been provided to American law enforcement officials. (See “Could We Have Prevented the Attacks?” in our November 5, 2001 issue.) The significance of bin Laden’s threats was not lost upon Bob Monetti, president of the Victims of Pan Am Flight 103, which was destroyed by a terrorist bomb in 1988. “I hope the airlines are watching this situation closely,” declared Monetti. “The airlines are at risk. They need to take all appropriate measures and counter-measures to ensure the safety of their passengers.”
According to the June 23rd AirlineBiz.com report, the Arabic satellite television network MBC claimed that “the next two weeks will witness a big surprise.” An MBC reporter who had met with bin Laden in Afghanistan on June 21st predicted that “a severe blow is expected against U.S. and Israeli interests worldwide. There is a major state of mobilization among the Osama bin Laden forces. It seems that there is a race of who will strike first. Will it be the United States or Osama bin Laden?” Despite such detailed advance warnings, bin Laden won that “race.”
By September 11th, federal authorities not only had 10 weeks’ advance notice of an impending attack from bin Laden, they also had one of the alleged plotters in custody. This was acknowledged by CIA Director George Tenet as the 9-11 attack was underway. Amid reports of the suicide hijackings, Tenet was overheard saying: “I wonder if it has anything to do with this guy taking pilot training.” Tenet “was referring to Zacarias Moussaoui, who had been detained in August after attracting suspicion when he sought training at a Minnesota flight school,” observed the January 27th Washington Post. After the suspect was taken into custody, “the FBI had asked the CIA and the National Security Agency to run phone traces on Moussaoui, already the subject of a five-inch-thick file in the bureau.”
According to the December 29th Minneapolis Star-Tribune, “Moussaoui raised suspicions at the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Egan [Minnesota]” when he showed up in August for instruction in piloting jumbo jets. He “first raised eyebrows when, during a simple introductory exchange, he said he was from France, but then didn’t seem to understand when the instructor spoke French to him,” recalled the paper. “Moussaoui then became belligerent and evasive about his background… In addition, he seemed inept in basic flying procedures, while seeking expensive training on an advanced commercial jet simulator.”
Flight school employees “began whispering that he could be a hijacker,” reported the February 8th New York Times. John Rosengren, director of operations at the school, recalled that Moussaoui’s instructor was “concerned and wondered why someone who was not a pilot and had so little experience was trying to pack so much training into such a short time.” “The more he was able to talk to him, the more he decided he was not pilot material,” observes Rosengren. In addition, “There was discussion about how much fuel was on board a 747-400 and how much damage that could cause if it hit anything.”
By this time, Moussaoui’s instructor had already scurried to a telephone to call the FBI’s Minneapolis office. “Do you realize how serious this is?” he asked an FBI agent during the August 15th phone conversation. “This man wants training on a 747. A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon!” The FBI arrested Moussaoui the next day. However, notes the Star-Tribune, “the Minneapolis agents were unable to persuade FBI lawyers in Washington, D.C., to seek a warrant to search his possessions under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires evidence that the suspect is an agent of a foreign power or a terrorist group.” The frustrated field agents were trying to gather sufficient evidence to get a warrant when Moussaoui’s alleged co-conspirators piloted jetliners into the Trade Center towers and the Pentagon.
Charged with conspiracy to commit mass murder, Moussaoui is not the only member of the Black Tuesday plot whom federal authorities knew about. On the morning of September 11th, noted the December 30th New York Times, “two people already identified by the government as suspected terrorists boarded separate American Airlines flights from Boston using their own names.” Federal officials were also aware of a third hijacker, Hani Hanjour, who had come to the attention of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) while studying at the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix.
Officials at the school had raised questions about Hanjour’s inability to speak English, the international language of aviation. When they expressed concerns to the FAA, the agency stepped in to provide assistance - to Hanjour. According to the Star-Tribune, “An FAA representative sat in on a class to observe Hanjour … and discussed with school officials finding an Arabic-speaking person to help him with his English…” Hanjour returned the favor by plowing American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.
As Congress probes the security issues raised by the Black Tuesday attack, the investigation must be framed by a question similar to that dealt with in the “American Taliban” trial: What did our federal security and intelligence agencies know of the impending attack, and when did they know it? Recall that Lindh supposedly learned of the terrorist plot in May or June of last year. Evidence available in the public record makes it clear that the Justice Department and other branches of the federal government were aware of at least as much as Lindh is accused of knowing.
These are the facts. Either dubya is a war criminal or he is the dumbest leader in the world!!!
“Either dubya is a war criminal or he is the dumbest leader in the world!!!” Why? Becuase he wasn’t at the airport stopping every single person looking for boxcutters. We’ve had warnings since 95. This is public knowledge folks. This new memo is nothing new. The problem is they weren’t able to substantiate the latest memo (it’s reliability), name specific methods, dates, times, people. The only way Bush could have prevented this was to shut down the Airlines indefinetly based on a general warning with no specifics. And this is realistic? And to you Lion…you bitch because Bush didn’t do anything, yet when it’s revealed he actually was having the military look at ways to take down AL qaeda, you bitch about that. You say it was for oil. With you it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. It seems that this administration was actually preparing to take them on. Something you seem to have wanted. You say that the number of threats is a smokescreen. Sorry, but the intell community does not have an infinite amount of resources or man power. Threats that come in are given status by credibility. Otherwise every bridge, bank, building, water, and airline would be shutdown. Can I ask you a question by the way. Since it was a general threat let me ask it this way. Don’t you think that every passenger knew that every time they flew, they may be on a plane that might be hijacked? The threat of hijackings has always been present. The memo that Bush had said the same exact thing. It was a general warning. Nothing to go on. No one to arrest. No flights to watch. No days to be vigilant. By the way, notice were given to the FTA and other agencies. Why didn’t it go public? The majority of threats never go public. If they did, we’d wake up to a list the size of a large grocery list every morning. We’d see the same threats day in day out. I’m curious to know what you would have done to stop 9-11 from happening, based soley on the info that was provided to Bush. Please tell. If you can’t come up with a realistic approach perhaps you should drop your arguement. Oh yeah, you did claim that Bush allowed 9-11 to happen so he could fight for oil. Please don’t lie to our face. I read the post in which you made that statement.
can anyone read the writing on the wall, 9-11 and any other threats is known, the question is how bad will it be. Everything is a game, we are just pawns, they will fill us up with so much shit we don’t know what the true is, fuck the middle east, get oil somewhere else and get our people out of there, and if they want to start shit with us, then it’s on. The war on terrorist is bullshit why are we trying to stop Israel from attacking, they are getting shithammered all the time, I know if someone tries to break in your house and you’re home, you will protect it by any means right, no matter who it is…so why is it different, Clinton stood by and watch a couple of african nations get wiped out, remember the tutu tribe, I saw them on TV begging for help and the UN troops turn their backs and left, just to come back a few hours later and they where all dead. So where do we draw the line, who cares about that, just swepted under the carpets,what’s up with that. Fuck who know what when and where,and why, if anybody fucks with us or thinks about fucking with us, it time to shithammer them thats all.
Lion’s right. Almost all of you have been so brainwashed by the media about how great George Bush is. His friends sold a lot of stock in plane companies right before 9-11. The footage of George finding out about the WTC attacks at that Florida school and acting all shocked was taken after he and his staff had known for several minutes.
Ok, I’m going to give my $0.02 on this, and I know I"m going to get bashed for this. Before I start, no offence to any race, no attacks. The whitehouse knew about it, and it was lightly touched around the time of the attacks that they had an idea. However it wasn’t a big deal.
To give a little info…who owns cnn, the media, and all that stuff? Very rich and powerful Jews. The comunicate with the Israeli government.
Around the time that Bush was putting more and more pressure on Israeli government to stop the attacks on Palestinians, and Bush stating “I envision a Palestinian State”, was when it so happen to leak out that Bush knew.
The Israeli government (or contacts) contacted the rich and powerful Jews who own media centres and the like, to start filtering out this info. Now you all know, media really is controlled, and we never hear the whole truth. This is the case. Isreali government wants Bush occupied in his home land, while they can do what they want with no pressure (and not being closely watched).
Israeli government is upto no good, and they pretty much own the corporations in USA which really control the country (owning thru rich & powerful jews who support the Israeli government).
So…don’t believe everything you hear, and really think about it. There is so much control in media. And no offence again, it’s very obvious that US govt is Israeli govt’s bitch!
Ink, without bothering to respond in detail to the the complete drivel which you have just spouted, I will ask you this: WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES? WHAT EXACTLY are you claiming that Bush knew, WHEN are you claiming he knew it and WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES for this information?? You sound an AWFUL lot like those in the Arab world making up bullshit fallacies like, “4000 Jews who worked in the WTC stayed home that day.” If you’re going to make accusations which are that serious, you need to either put up or shut up.
DAMN, I did it again! That last post (the 2nd consecutive one from “Ink”) was NOT from Ink, it was from ME (Damici). I meant to address it TO Ink. Sorry 'bout that!
Yeah lnk that was one of the dumbest things I’ve heard lately about terrorism. Where are you right now, Jenin? I didn’t know they had internet access in your refugee camps…oh well, I’m sure the Israelis will be there in no time to blow your ass up. For real, you sound just like the rest of those wacko-ass arabs over there that try to turn everything around and blame the jews…Okay, so the Israelis have taken control of some of the land, but lets not forget what was happening there BEFORE Israel was even declared a nation…Who was in control back then??? That’s right, Jordan and Egpyt…hmm, they aren’t jewish nations are they?? And wait, did not those nations presecute the Palestinians long before Israel was recognized? That’s what I thought. Honestly, everyone is looking for this huge conspiracy here, and I’m sorry but I just don’t see it. Do you really think that if we had known about this plot beforehand it would have been allowed to happen? Okay, so our politicians are greedy and self-serving, but they still have the compassion to look out for out national security and our civilians. Also, I place a lot of the blame on the fucking Clinton era, man he really fucked up before G.W.B even took over, but that’s another issue.
Lion~Ink(should be dink)
Guess what? I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading your sorry posts. But I did learn something. At least from now on when I see your names, I won’t bother to read on. Here’s one for you:
Ignoramuses:A STUPID, IGNORANT person; a vain pretender to knowledge; a dunce.
End of story.
It is not ignorance, or a conspiracy. You cannot tell me that everything you hear on the news is truth. You cannot tell me that you’re so ignorant, that everything you read in the papers, see on cnn, is true. You want to see truth? Go find some independent writers - British, Israelis & Arabs who tell you a whole different story than what you hear in North America. First off, I am not in some refugee camp, nor am I an arab. However, I am not so damn stupid enough to think that the government is completely looking out for their civilians. They are all about power, and throw some compassion in there to please the public. Now, I see how you think that arabs think everything’s a conspiracy. Let me ask you this…where do you get your information? From red neck land? Jewish nazi gatherings?? Please guys, don’t think that Governments are inoccent. Don’t think that they’re telling you everything, as you just noticed with this issue that there were clues on the 9/11. So before you go bashing people, and claiming they’re stupid, open your dinosaur brains and fuckin’ think for a change.
The STUPIDNESS & IGNORANCE in this forum sometimes surprises me. I see a lot of smart people in the forum, and then I see the ignorant fucks who will do anything to defend anything that relates to them, without knowing shit about it.
I guess you guys are gonna say about Chomsky that he is a self-jew hater right?
Is Ted Turner really Jewish?
I think you should take her to the Target Cafe, get her a chilli dog and ram it down her throat and nail her…oops wrong thread…I heard there was going to be an attack on the U.S. in the near future, using a bomb or a bomb like device by some Arabs. Given this info, I think we should be able to stop this…right?!
Hey. They found Chandra Levy. Guess where? In the last place she was seen alive and that was searched before. They knew a woman was missing and that she might have disappeared in that park, which in retrospect she did, and still they didn’t find her. Do you think the cops didn’t want to find her? They did the best they could given the situation and their level of training. It wasn’t good enough though, was it? Sometimes things just don’t go so perfectly. There was a warning. So? Did it say that the planes would be hijacked from Logan Airport on 9-11? No. Even at that the guys would have passed security because they didn’t have anything classed as weapons. The FBI knew about Mousawi (sp?) but didn’t have enough to get a warrant (we have a Constitution still) to search where they needed to to get the information that would have given them the whole picture. Hindsight is 20/20. It puts us in a great position to feel so superior to the the morons we pay to protect us. They should have done something? Right? I don’t think so. There’s plenty of information…now. There just wasn’t enough in one place then.
Ink, where do I get my information from (about how fucked up and ridiculous the Arab conspiracy theorists are)? From seeing “missing” posters all over the city where I live (NYC) about eight months ago with photographs and names like “Goldman,” “Weinstein” and “Blum,” as well as personally knowing 2 Jews who lost family members. The CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, which was based in the WTC, and who lost HIS BROTHER, among others? Jewish. I ask you again. WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES THAT BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS?