This is just one of those things that IRRITATED me so much I just had to share it.
Suddenly in a report commissioned by the drug industry - and tauted by Giuliani - we find that prescription drugs imported from Canada are a TERRORISTIC THREAT and must be STOPPED.
Not only do they want to ensure you have to pay top dollar for your prescription drugs (at a time when wages are down and healthcare costs are up) – but they actually have the GALL to associate this with a “terrorist threat”.
I suppose Clinton really did know what he was doing when he bombed that “asprin factory”.
Apparently Giuliani has no shame - dickhead.
Giuliani warns of import prescription threats
AP
2005-04-12
WASHINGTON – Prescription drug imports from Canada and elsewhere could become a tool for terrorists and efforts to legalize them should stop now, said a report yesterday from former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani. The report, which was commissioned by drug companies that lose big profits on the cheaper imports, noted Canadian Internet pharmacies are filling U.S. prescriptions with medicines from foreign countries and counterfeit drug cases are rising.
“Several credible sources have identified links between counterfeit goods, including pharmaceuticals, and organized criminals and terrorist groups,” said Giuliani.
“It is not difficult to imagine a scenario in which terrorist groups could use this system to either finance operations or, worse, as a vehicle of attack.”
[quote]Soco wrote:
Wait, wait, wait, national security used as an excuse to help big industry? Never saw that one coming.
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Judging by how self righteous many conservatives are as far as masking these efforts with claims of morals and national safety, you would think very few saw this coming. The threat of prescription drugs? I wish more focus was placed on getting our men and women back alive from overseas than is spent on these witch hunts for the latest “threat”. What will it be next?
It’s not all that hard to connect the dots, really.
A terrorist group opens up a Canadian pharmacy that caters to Americans looking for a sweet deal. Said pharmacy is a profit center for terrorists. I mean, I know you guys think Giuliani has lost it, but can you say for sure this scenario isn’t at least plausible?
I don’t blame them for going to Canada for their scripts especially since some of the savings are significant. I just wished that the Cnadians gave a shit about aiding and abedding terrorists. We can’t trust the pseudo-frenchies any more than we can trust their panty-waisted cousins acroos the pond.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
It’s not all that hard to connect the dots, really.
A terrorist group opens up a Canadian pharmacy that caters to Americans looking for a sweet deal. Said pharmacy is a profit center for terrorists. I mean, I know you guys think Giuliani has lost it, but can you say for sure this scenario isn’t at least plausible?
I don’t blame them for going to Canada for their scripts especially since some of the savings are significant. I just wished that the Cnadians gave a shit about aiding and abedding terrorists. We can’t trust the pseudo-frenchies any more than we can trust their panty-waisted cousins acroos the pond.[/quote]
With that logic, I think we should close down all grocery stores and restaurants. One of those terrorrist groups could start a business, be successful at it for years just to draw a crowd and then spike all of the food with Smallpox. Because of that, no more stores! Down with food outlets!!!
It probably could be used to finance terrorism. But I’d say the bigger ‘scam’ might be US pharma corporations selling drugs to Canadian companies, then using the profits to buy back those same drugs at the reduced Canadian price…so before the drugs ever reach consumers, they were making money and recouping part of their supply. I think it was within the last two years that US corporations cut back the amount of drugs that they sold to Canada, once all the pharmacies started openning up twenty miles across the border.
These people have no shame. This is the stupidest bunch of bullshit I’ve ever seen. I can’t fucking believe they would stoop to this. What’s worse is the number of sheep who will buy it hook, line and sinker…
They’ll use it to finance terrorism? Oh holy shit fire! Let me go gas up my Hummer with Saudi petrol so I can be safe!
This statement is a concern no matter what your politics are.
“Several credible sources have identified links between counterfeit goods, including pharmaceuticals, and organized criminals and terrorist groups,” said Giuliani.
We do need to fix the cost of drug crisis. Right now the US consumer is subsidizing the rest of the world while they are using artificial price caps. The free market cannot fix it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This statement is a concern no matter what your politics are.
“Several credible sources have identified links between counterfeit goods, including pharmaceuticals, and organized criminals and terrorist groups,” said Giuliani.
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No, this was concerning – Colin Powell before the UN, Feb 5, 2003:
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence? Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly five times the size of Manhattan.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, the term “credible sources” is now analogous to “full of shit”. Use the jargon wisely. [/quote]
I really like the selective memories of the ABB/Bush Lied/No WMD crowd.
Really - Don’t you have anything else in your bag other than distortions and lies? Evidently not, or you would have used them by now. Don’t you ever get tired repeating the same worn out, disproven line of BS you trot out in lieu of a real thought?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Yes, the term “credible sources” is now analogous to “full of shit”. Use the jargon wisely.
I really like the selective memories of the ABB/Bush Lied/No WMD crowd.
Really - Don’t you have anything else in your bag other than distortions and lies? Evidently not, or you would have used them by now. Don’t you ever get tired repeating the same worn out, disproven line of BS you trot out in lieu of a real thought?
I know I would.[/quote]
Did you forget what this thread is about? That’s something new. It just all involves the same bullshit so of course it comes back full circle again. You just hate that it was a lie and that they are FINALLY admitting it. Hell, there is even talk about how our intelligence agencies were “bullied” into skewing the information towards a desired outcome. Gasp, who would have thunk it?! Face it, as a society, we are being “scared” into giving more and more power to big government and big companies. I just find it foolish that so many seem to not see what the goal is.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Yes, the term “credible sources” is now analogous to “full of shit”. Use the jargon wisely.
I really like the selective memories of the ABB/Bush Lied/No WMD crowd.
Really - Don’t you have anything else in your bag other than distortions and lies? Evidently not, or you would have used them by now. Don’t you ever get tired repeating the same worn out, disproven line of BS you trot out in lieu of a real thought?
I know I would.[/quote]
Yeah, why dwell on the past when they’re fuckin’ up brand new shit ; )
Anyway Rain, “terrorists” are the least of our worries.
Army Working on Weapons-Grade Anthrax
Utah Facility Quietly Developed Formulation; Spores Sent Back and Forth to Md.
By Rick Weiss and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, December 13, 2001
An Army biological and chemical warfare facility in Utah has been quietly developing a virulent, weapons-grade formulation of anthrax spores since at least 1992, and samples of the bacteria were shipped back and forth between that facility and Fort Detrick, Md., on several occasions in the past several years, according to government officials and shipping records.
The Utah spores, grown and processed at the 800,000-acre Dugway Proving Ground about 80 miles from Salt Lake City, belong to the Ames strain – the same strain used in the deadly letters sent to media outlets and two senators in September and October.No other nation is known to have made weapons-grade Ames. And although it is legal to make small quantities of such agents under the provisions of an international treaty the United States has signed, experts said yesterday they were surprised by the revelation that a U.S. lab was producing such lethal material.
Army’s Anthrax Material Surprises Some Experts
By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 14, 2001
Several scientists and biological warfare experts said yesterday they were surprised by the revelation that a U.S. Army installation in Utah has been producing dried preparations of the Ames strain of the anthrax bacterium, the same strain found in letters to Sens. Thomas A. Daschle and Patrick J. Leahy.
Most said they believe the research was justified for defensive purposes. But several expressed dismay that the Army had never mentioned the work publicly before Wednesday even as it spearheaded the biological and chemical analysis of the Senate letters for the FBI – a potential conflict of interest that some feared could harm the credibility of the investigation.
FBI’s Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted
Attacks Not Likely Work Of 1 Person, Experts Say
By Guy Gugliotta and Gary Matsumoto
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, October 28, 2002
A significant number of scientists and biological warfare experts are expressing skepticism about the FBI’s view that a single disgruntled American scientist prepared the spores and mailed the deadly anthrax letters that killed five people last year.
These sources say that making a weaponized aerosol of such sophistication and virulence would require scientific knowledge, technical competence, access to expensive equipment and safety know-how that are probably beyond the capabilities of a lone individual.
Since the attacks one year ago, scientists have been able to identify the anthrax bacteria used in the Daschle and Leahy letters as the “Ames strain,” a virulent anthrax used in U.S. biodefense programs.
FBI & BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUED OVER ANTHRAX DOCUMENTS
Judicial Watch Wants to Know Why White House Went on Cipro Beginning September 11th
What Was Known and When? http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Did you forget what this thread is about? That’s something new. It just all involves the same bullshit so of course it comes back full circle again. You just hate that it was a lie and that they are FINALLY admitting it. Hell, there is even talk about how our intelligence agencies were “bullied” into skewing the information towards a desired outcome. Gasp, who would have thunk it?! Face it, as a society, we are being “scared” into giving more and more power to big government and big companies. I just find it foolish that so many seem to not see what the goal is. [/quote]
The only thing circular here is the arguments of the left. I especially like the way you guys conveniently leave out the fact that the Big Liar is saying the same thing that your guys said when Clinton was in office.
It’s amazing to me how short of memory you are when the other guy is sittting in the Oval Office.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
It’s not all that hard to connect the dots, really.
A terrorist group opens up a Canadian pharmacy that caters to Americans looking for a sweet deal. Said pharmacy is a profit center for terrorists. I mean, I know you guys think Giuliani has lost it, but can you say for sure this scenario isn’t at least plausible?
You really don’t have a fucking clue about the world outside the United States, so I suggest that you keep your responses to only those things that you do know - Republican spin.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
The only thing circular here is the arguments of the left. I especially like the way you guys conveniently leave out the fact that the Big Liar is saying the same thing that your guys said when Clinton was in office.
It’s amazing to me how short of memory you are when the other guy is sittting in the Oval Office.
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“My guys”? This isn’t just about the war in Iraq. This is about the way this government is trying to reshape the structure of how we do business, who makes more money, where that money goes and who has more power.
30-50 years from now when Bush is long gone, I have no doubt that history books will not gloss over the fact that the entire drive to enter Iraq WHEN WE DID was steeped in misinformation and possible hidden agenda. While that alone does bother me, that is not all I take issue with. Again, did you miss what this thread was originally about? Why do pharmaceutical companies need any more support? You honestly think that of all of the ways that “terrorists” could attack, they will choose to infiltrate Mexican and Canadian pharmacies in order to, what, kill off our elderly population and those on chemo who need cheaper drugs!? Is that the fucking goal? I know it hurts to admit that something sounds mighty shady, but please, turning this into “your guy versus my guy” banter is about the weakest attempt possible to sidestep the issue.
I guess we should ignore the intel of our own agencies and allies and act on instinct. Better yet let’s ignore the intel and act the way the rest of the world thinks we should. That’s it then everybody will like us…like France.
You go on the info you have. RJ your
correct. If Clinton was president he would be hailed as a visionary by the left for the same actions.
[quote]hedo wrote:
If Clinton was president he would be hailed as a visionary by the left for the same actions.[/quote]
If you truly believe that, then you must also believe that in that same scenerio, “the right” would hold the position that “the left” currently holds. That is the only logical conclusion of that statement which then brings forth the question of, “is the only thing preventing the ability to see the reality of a situation based completely on the political affiliation of the individual…and if so, what makes you think you are right?”
[quote]hedo wrote:
I guess we should ignore the intel of our own agencies and allies and act on instinct.[/quote]
Condi? Is that you?
RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don’t remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
BEN-VENISTE: Isn’t it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.”