LGBT Agenda & 1st Amend.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]

Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.

Of course, one can always run away.

At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]

I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]

Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.

The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]

And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.

And I have read the Bible.[/quote]

Not to mention the total lack of rationality relating a moral teaching to ability to and duty lecture. Much the way whatshisface equates (without logical connection) a teaching about the right or wrong of a personal action to bullying others.[/quote]

Well, what is wrong with pointing that anyone has the ability to mouth off to his parents and the duty not to and that they oughta be stoned if they slip on the straight and narrow?

Everyone has the ability to wear clothes made of one fabric and the moral duty to do so, what is wrong with pointing out that these harlots failing to do so need some serious stoning?

If they are that concerned about this whole stuff, they should not annoy other people in public but get some wool and start knitting. [/quote]

Because stating that homosexuality is immoral, and advocating for bullying homosexuals are entirely different things.

If you are a capitalist and you advocate not forcing people to do charity work (entitlements) that means you are in favor of having the poor starve to death.

I believe drug addiction is bad, but I’m against it being a crime and I’m certainly not in favor of bullying kids over it. If you are against imprisoning drug addicts, that means you support getting people addicted to drugs?

This of course ignores the totality of Christian teachings. When you add together commandments to love sinners, and get the plank out of your eye, and be perfect, the things you are accusing Christian teaching of provoking are expressly forbidden. Much the way quoting individual words out of context and order can subvert meaning.

It is the easiest thing to look through extensive written belief and make outlandish criticisms. You can do it of any codified belief in the world. You could do it to Buda or Gandhi. It is much more difficult to address the entirety of a system of belief. I have only ever heard the first way from critics of Christianity.

What you are doing requires little intelligence and almost no knowledge of the subject.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]

Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.

Of course, one can always run away.

At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]

I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]

Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.

The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]

And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.[/quote]

Nonsense, I even know how the more literate Christians dance out of this.

This however are exactly not the Christians who throw words like ABOMINATION around, because if you look at it, the word abomination is not mentioned once in the NT, only in the old one, specifically Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality.

Of course I deny that homosexuality as such is even mentioned in the NT, but even if it was, not as an ABOMINATION.

Anything less you would like to know from someone who has absolutely no idea about the Bible or old testament law?[/quote]

Meaning you did a google word search?

I read “mien kampf”, obviously I know what it meant to be a Nazi. And I could certainly teach Nazi people from back then about what they actually believed.

Besides, you didn’t “read it” (google search) well, because homosexuality is in the NT.[/quote]

Says you, but as long as you have no idea what really happened back then, though some mano a mano action seemed to have been involved, you have a rather weak argument.

Not so for the OT, there it is written, more or less.

So if you go all ABOMINATION on someone, you ARE using Leviticus.

I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.

Or else get called out.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]

Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.

Of course, one can always run away.

At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]

I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]

Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.

The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]

And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.[/quote]

Nonsense, I even know how the more literate Christians dance out of this.

This however are exactly not the Christians who throw words like ABOMINATION around, because if you look at it, the word abomination is not mentioned once in the NT, only in the old one, specifically Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality.

Of course I deny that homosexuality as such is even mentioned in the NT, but even if it was, not as an ABOMINATION.

Anything less you would like to know from someone who has absolutely no idea about the Bible or old testament law?[/quote]

Meaning you did a google word search?

I read “mien kampf”, obviously I know what it meant to be a Nazi. And I could certainly teach Nazi people from back then about what they actually believed.

Besides, you didn’t “read it” (google search) well, because homosexuality is in the NT.[/quote]

Says you, but as long as you have no idea what really happened back then, though some mano a mano action seemed to have been involved, you have a rather weak argument.

Not so for the OT, there it is written, more or less.

So if you go all ABOMINATION on someone, you ARE using Leviticus.

I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.

Or else get called out.

[/quote]

Again completely ignore what I wrote.

“I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.”

Funny, that’s pretty much what Jesus said.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Because stating that homosexuality is immoral, and advocating for bullying homosexuals are entirely different things.

[/quote]

“Advocate” that in the right place, time and way and it IS bullying, especially if you throw in the burning in hell bit.

Which is why I believe that this whole anti bullying stuff is nonsense.

People should be free to spout any nonsense whatsoever.

I say, the people who are bullied should learn their way around the Bible and react in kind.

Just as war is the Lords way of teaching Americans geography, bullying could be His way of teaching gay people about the Bible.

Also, and again, Pink Pistols.

Because if those two fabric wearing, pig skin touching, non virgin, parent cursing bozos wont keep their mitts to themselves it is time for an important lesson:

God created all men in his image but Smith&Wesson made them equal.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]

Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.

Of course, one can always run away.

At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]

I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]

Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.

The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]

And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.[/quote]

Nonsense, I even know how the more literate Christians dance out of this.

This however are exactly not the Christians who throw words like ABOMINATION around, because if you look at it, the word abomination is not mentioned once in the NT, only in the old one, specifically Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality.

Of course I deny that homosexuality as such is even mentioned in the NT, but even if it was, not as an ABOMINATION.

Anything less you would like to know from someone who has absolutely no idea about the Bible or old testament law?[/quote]

Meaning you did a google word search?

I read “mien kampf”, obviously I know what it meant to be a Nazi. And I could certainly teach Nazi people from back then about what they actually believed.

Besides, you didn’t “read it” (google search) well, because homosexuality is in the NT.[/quote]

Says you, but as long as you have no idea what really happened back then, though some mano a mano action seemed to have been involved, you have a rather weak argument.

Not so for the OT, there it is written, more or less.

So if you go all ABOMINATION on someone, you ARE using Leviticus.

I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.

Or else get called out.

[/quote]

Again completely ignore what I wrote.

“I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.”

Funny, that’s pretty much what Jesus said. [/quote]

Why, thank you for making my point for me.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]

Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.

Of course, one can always run away.

At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]

I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]

Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.

The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]

And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.[/quote]

Nonsense, I even know how the more literate Christians dance out of this.

This however are exactly not the Christians who throw words like ABOMINATION around, because if you look at it, the word abomination is not mentioned once in the NT, only in the old one, specifically Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality.

Of course I deny that homosexuality as such is even mentioned in the NT, but even if it was, not as an ABOMINATION.

Anything less you would like to know from someone who has absolutely no idea about the Bible or old testament law?[/quote]

Meaning you did a google word search?

I read “mien kampf”, obviously I know what it meant to be a Nazi. And I could certainly teach Nazi people from back then about what they actually believed.

Besides, you didn’t “read it” (google search) well, because homosexuality is in the NT.[/quote]

Says you, but as long as you have no idea what really happened back then, though some mano a mano action seemed to have been involved, you have a rather weak argument.

Not so for the OT, there it is written, more or less.

So if you go all ABOMINATION on someone, you ARE using Leviticus.

I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.

Or else get called out.

[/quote]

Again completely ignore what I wrote.

“I suggest living up to that book first, then lecture others what rules they break.”

Funny, that’s pretty much what Jesus said. [/quote]

Why, thank you for making my point for me. [/quote]

And you for making mine.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Finally, Pink Pistols, the ultimate anti bullying campaign:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols[/quote]

Schools are gun free zones.
[/quote]

Yeah, but if you get bullied long enough you can simmer for years in the knowledge that you can get the gun as soon as you are old enough.

I would think that this was food for thought for all aspiring bullies too.

If all else fails, find out what Leviticus commands the shithead in question is breaking and organize your own rally, including Bible verses and all. [/quote]

I’d hate to have to bring JB in here, but Leviticus doesn’t apply to gentiles. [/quote]

Even though I find that doubtful I know that a lot of the people bashing gays are darn sure that it does apply to all people.

I can read Bible verses as well as the next guy when they are held up on a cardboard sign and the word ABOMINATION is a dead giveaway. [/quote]

Oh, you’re talking about the WBC? Yeah, pretty sure they be hatin’ on Catholics, too. Met a few of them at funeral duty for KofC.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.
[/quote]

Trolling?

There have been pretty absurd apologetics on abhorrent passages. You yourself have rationalized the slavery passages.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.
[/quote]

Trolling?

There have been pretty absurd apologetics on abhorrent passages. You yourself have rationalized the slavery passages.

[/quote]

Yes, quit trolling. Nobody seriously believes homosexuality-is-not-a-sin-in-the-bible is anything but a recent bit of wishful thinking. It’s a sin in both the old and new testament. Further, it’s outside of the institution of marriage, defined as man and woman. So, always a sin. The next person that repeats this gets ignored for trolling. I’m tired of having to wade through lots of stupid to find an honest discussion in this forum anymore.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.
[/quote]

Trolling?

There have been pretty absurd apologetics on abhorrent passages. You yourself have rationalized the slavery passages.

[/quote]

Yes, quit trolling. Nobody seriously believes homosexuality-is-not-a-sin-in-the-bible is anything but a recent bit of wishful thinking. It’s a sin in both the old and new testament. Further, it’s outside of the institution of marriage, defined as man and woman. So, always a sin. The next person that repeats this gets ignored for trolling. [/quote]

I didn’t realize he was referring to homosexuality. I thought he was referring to spin on questionable passages in general.

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I agree the Bible states homosexuality is a sin.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I agree the Bible states homosexuality is a sin.[/quote]

Next, wearing two garments ISN’T a sin for Christians. The gospel and the epistles both flesh this kind of stuff out.

So, I’m asking that Orion knock off the ‘oh yeah, you eat shrimp’ kind of junk. Seriously, please, do we have to waste our time pretending he believes we have to live by Mosaic dietary/etc. laws? Can we please stop saying stuff in threads just to frustrate the conversation? Don’t get me wrong, I actually have a grudging respect for the guy, Orion. Though, he often infuriates me… But just say Christianity is bunk. Let’s not waste everyone’s time arguing that it’s something it isn’t.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.
[/quote]

Trolling?

There have been pretty absurd apologetics on abhorrent passages. You yourself have rationalized the slavery passages.

[/quote]

Explain to us what is meant by “slavery” in the Bible, and why it is bad.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Except the passage clearly says “to you.” Unclean to you, an abomination to you. It’s not an abomination to the Lord. So, again terrible exegesis.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gay folks are bullied and assaulted because they’re often effeminate–or, are perceived to be–sticking out like a sore thumb among young males jockeying for a spot in the pecking order. Ask the nerds, dweebs, geeks, poor kid wearing generic walmart shoes, and the plain old quite ‘new guy in school.’[/quote]

Well said Sloth.[/quote]

So which category did you 2 fall into as a young kids in school?[/quote]

My parents moved around a lot when I was a kid…Fortunately I usually found them.

But seriously I too was poor. But, my semi decent athletic skills helped me along the way.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.
[/quote]

Trolling?

There have been pretty absurd apologetics on abhorrent passages. You yourself have rationalized the slavery passages.

[/quote]

Yes, quit trolling. Nobody seriously believes homosexuality-is-not-a-sin-in-the-bible is anything but a recent bit of wishful thinking. It’s a sin in both the old and new testament. Further, it’s outside of the institution of marriage, defined as man and woman. So, always a sin. The next person that repeats this gets ignored for trolling. I’m tired of having to wade through lots of stupid to find an honest discussion in this forum anymore.[/quote]

What is the the opinion on two atheists getting married?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I wont have gay sex to spite anyone, but my fridge holds 3 lbs of shrimp right now…[/quote]

Awesome, inability to do basic Bible exegesis. [/quote]

But an awesome ability to go straight to the source.

A method that I highly recommend.

You can always listen to the spin later. [/quote]

Stop trolling.
[/quote]

Trolling?

There have been pretty absurd apologetics on abhorrent passages. You yourself have rationalized the slavery passages.

[/quote]

Yes, quit trolling. Nobody seriously believes homosexuality-is-not-a-sin-in-the-bible is anything but a recent bit of wishful thinking. It’s a sin in both the old and new testament. Further, it’s outside of the institution of marriage, defined as man and woman. So, always a sin. The next person that repeats this gets ignored for trolling. I’m tired of having to wade through lots of stupid to find an honest discussion in this forum anymore.[/quote]

What is the the opinion on two atheists getting married?[/quote]

Male and Female: sacrament.